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Makes sense in a weird way. 1. Go independent 2. Broadcast your own games online (no one else will risk it because…) 3. Get sued by the ACC due to the GOR 4. Legally nullify the GOR in court or settle out of court (and show Clemson/UNC/UVA the way out as well) and confirm once and for all whether you own your TV rights or not. 5. Join the SEC or Big Ten and hopefully break even financially prior to 2036. Short term they’ll lose some money but depending on the settlement amount they likely come out ahead than staying in the ACC for another 12 years. If this was a 5 year problem this would be dumb, but with over a decade left on their TV deal this isn’t a horrible plan.

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No politics at work. Even when you think you’re doing the right thing it backfires. For example, a company I know of made a statement about George Floyd expressing sympathy and solidarity with his family and the protest. While I would doubt it made a huge difference for most, for some employees it was seen as a great expression from their employer that they were not heartless capitalist and realized there is more to life than work. The problem occurred later when the gay nightclub was attacked (apologies if I’m recalling events slightly out of order) and they LGBT groups at the company wanted a similar statement which eventually was released. So on and so on with each following event. Now you have the Israel/Hamas war and while it’s easy to condemn terrorism, how do they respond to Palestinians asking for a similar statement about the innocent civilians being killed by the IDF? They painted themselves into a corner. As always, the only winning move was not to play. You might have taken a small PR/morale hit at the time but in the long term silence is golden. No politics at work.

Houston won something. We mostly let winners slide as a society.

While no official declaration, I would also assume they are planning on pushing the citizenry further South and making most of Northern Gaza part of a large DMZ as well.

I’ve always appreciated all the ins and outs of this program. As someone who regularly criticizes most things in this city you have to give credit where it’s due. More of this please, fewer hotels.

Globetrotters = Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, Texas, and currently Georgia (this list isn’t fully set in stone) these school can pull 3 million viewers playing Rice, UNLV, WKU, and the like even in an uncompetitive game. The next level is still really good (some would argue that it’s all the same tier) but the main difference here is that they don’t get the benefit of the doubt when playing the little sisters of the poor so they need someone with a pulse to pull 3 million: Oklahoma, Penn State, USC, LSU, Florida State, Clemson, and Florida. You can do this for each level down, as we drop down to the next tier you need a better opponent to hit 3 million+. Obviously this compounds when these top tier teams play each other, even more so when ranked, and same applies to lower tier teams as well when ranked they can move up or down this tier system based on rankings and also what game are available week to week. Big exception to this is when something like Deion and Colorado come along and break all the rules.

Anything will be better than buying old hotels. Still one of the only benefit of the train was that it would connect cheap city owned land to the city center which could be developed for high density/affordable housing. But I bet they’ll even fuck that up.

So prior to this year ESPN had the Big Ten, Big 12, PAC12, and ACC on ABC while they could only put the SEC on ESPN due to their CBS exclusive OTA deal. In 2024 they lose all PAC inventory and they lost all Big Ten inventory this year. While they will be supplementing those loses with the SEC on ABC now that also pulls what was a staple of ESPN on Saturday and leaves a big hole on ESPN that will have to be filled and that will be filled by the Big 12 which is why they added more games. For FOX, they got the Big Ten to add Oregon and Washington, but unless they break the exclusive deal with CBS or NBC they can’t add any more games to FOX OTA. It benefits the BTN (which FOX owns) and FS1 but they’ll have to wheel and deal to get exceptions or else the Big 12 will be the biggest beneficiaries.

Once the SEC can be on ABC the Big 12 won’t be on there nearly as much, but with UT leaving that FOX spot would have been a likely landing spot for a game like that.

Starting 2024 the Big Ten has exclusive time slots on FOX at noon, CBS afternoon, and NBC prime. All other games will be on BTN, FS1, or Peacock. The SEC and ACC (minus 1 ACC game a week now on the CW) are full ABC/ESPN with an agreement that ABC afternoon slot will be reserved for the SEC (but not exclusive meaning they could have another game on ESPN at the same time). The Big 12 is split, however as the Big Ten has an exclusive slot with CBS in that afternoon slot that basically means the Big 12 will own that afternoon window with FOX save for the odd/occasional MWC game. While it’s hard to predict exactly how the inventory situation will flush out. This seems most likely. Noon: FOX=B1G, ABC=B12/ACC, ESPN=SEC Afternoon: CBS=B1G, ABC=SEC, FOX=B12, ESPN=ACC, NBC=ND Prime: NBC=B1G, ABC=SEC, FOX(after MLB)=B12 (maybe B1G if they can work out a deal with NBC to break the exclusive window), ESPN=SEC Late: ESPN=B12, FS1=B1G The Big win here for the Big 12 is FOX. With FOX being locked out of the SEC/ACC and not bidding on the PAC12 and with the Big Ten granting exclusive over the air broadcasting windows to CBS/NBC to get them to play ball the remaining Big 12 programs are going to get a lot air time in that afternoon FOX slot. True it will be opposite of the SEC and Big Ten games of the week plus Notre Dame but that more than the ACC has going for it. Both will have plenty of games on ESPN2/ESPN+ but the Big 12 could theoretically have 3 games OTA while the ACC at most could only have 2 (not including ND home games) which is why I think the Big 12 will be (or already is) clearly the #3 conference.

Yep it looks like the best option for all involved. If you assume FSU, Miami, Clemson, UNC, UVA, and Notre Dame all get poached then you’d have a real easy scenario for the ACC/Big12 to functionally merge under an umbrella while remaining separate conferences that negotiate media deals together and simplify travel and scheduling with the outliers in their memberships (UCF, WVU, Cincy / SMU, Cal, Stanford) New ACC: UCF, USF, GT, NCSU, Duke, WF, Memphis, VT, Pitt, WVU, Cincy, Louisville, Syracuse, UConn, BC, and maybe Temple or Tulane New Big 12: ISU, KU, KSU, OSU, UH, BU, SMU, TCU, Tech, CU, Utah, BYU, AZ, ASU, Cal, Stanford

Disagree completely. The only sacred cows in basketball are Kentucky, UNC, Duke, Kansas, UCLA, Indiana, and maybe now UConn. The rest don’t move the needle enough to matter they can play in the non football/small football league with the Big East/A10/WCC/Ivy. The only way a “swap” works is if they merge the Big 12 with the remaining ACC. https://sports.yahoo.com/inside-oregon-and-washingtons-jump-to-the-big-ten--it-was-both-of-us-or-none-of-us-141725222.html Yahoo story from Ross Dellenger about UO/UW move to Big Ten. Notes that the Big Ten evaluated: Notre Dame, North Carolina, Clemson, Florida State, Pitt, Kansas, Cal, Stanford, Arizona, Virginia and, of course, Oregon and Washington for membership.

It was always in Austin because our fans were used to going to that game but honestly as a season ticket holder it was a pain in the ass. But let’s not act like the Big 12 was doing Texas a favor here, no other school wanted Texas coming to town to play them in their half empty stadium on that weekend when all the students were gone. They all wanted their Texas home game on a weekend where they would have a FULL stadium otherwise they were letting lot of money walk out the door.

I understand the conflict very well, but to each their own. Israel, England, the West, and the powers of the ME all have significant blame/ownership in this situation and how it came to be. Israel has systematically oppressed and abused the Palestinians through their power and stewardship for decades and has repeatedly inflamed the situation time after time…HOWEVER Hamas has committed absolute atrocities that do not compare. Hamas routinely fires rockets into civilian populations which we consider commonplace (can you image how the U.S. would react if rockets were fired in NY?). If you judge each by their sins alone it’s obvious which group is the most evil. Unlike some of the geopolitical geniuses on this board, I am aware of my shortcomings and can admit to myself that while I feel pretty informed on this issue, I am by no means an expert in this area. If there was a simple solution it would have been pushed by others. A two state solution has been promoted multiple times and has failed every time, so if you assume that is off the table (as is the abandonment of Israel by the Jewish people) what solution is there left that does not end up with either reverting back to the status quo and inviting another Hamas attack, or a forced migration out of Gaza? If you have a solution, other than the generic get rid of Hamas a free the people of Palestine, I am truly interested to hear it.

#1 Both sides in this argument is absolutely NOT the fucking same. Plenty of issues with Israel and their treatment of Palestinians, not going to say otherwise, but they aren’t too much worse than say the issues between black Americans and the police in the US, which is really bad for a Westernized civilized society. HOWEVER the other side is so fucking far off the reservation that it is extremely disingenuous to compare the two wrongs together. It’s like comparing someone who runs a red light to someone who beats his wife and claiming both a criminals. #2 Go watch that video of the children proclaiming they want to stab the Jews or wear a suicide vest to kill the Jews and talk to a children psychologist and tell me how that can be UNLEARNED. Literally generation after generations have been brainwashed. Sure if the child is moved to a North American/European country and separated from their family/friends/community and put through a significant amount of therapy/reeducation, maybe a single individual COULD be deprogrammed and become a well balanced human capable of living in/near Israel, but how the fuck are you going to do that for all adolescents in an area of 2 million people (just Gaza)? I’m not advocating for solution here because there really ISNT a solution here that isn’t absolutely atrocious.

https://theathletic.com/4954479/2023/10/11/colorado-deion-sanders-kickoffs/ 🤔 pretty sure ESPN/FOX is going to continue to assign them late kicks in their new conference

Lowest murder rate occurred after Vince won the National Championship. Looks like the City of Austin should be funding NIL for public safety.

Talk to the KAs about freedom of speech. Not condoning anything that vile organization has ever done, but multiple kids were kicked out of multiple institutions for hate speech against blacks (in general) and that was the correct way to handle that situation. In this scenario students are supporting terrorist attacks against a specific nation/people/religion. All thing considered equal they SHOULD be given the same treatment (but I doubt they will because they are on the correct side of the political divide.

If you think IDF is going to come in a slaughter civilians at a music festival raping and kidnapping women and children then you can seriously fuck off. This is a hard subject for many reasons but to say Israel’s response is the same as the barbarism we just saw…not worth the effort, just kindly fuck off.

Agree to disagree. BY played a good game with the P12 but I think he’s over his skis with this move. ACC has plenty of basketball options that also play football. For example: Duke, Louisville, Syracuse, and Indy UConn That gets you to 20. For more football focus they can take NCSU, VT, Pitt, GT could get you to 24. How does Gonzaga fit in a conference as number 25? Utah, BYU, AZ, ASU, CU, TT, BU, UH, TCU, OSU, KU, KSU, ISU, UCF, GT, NCSU, Duke, VT, UL, UC, WVU, Pitt, Cuse, UConn This is much better final outcome than adding the Zags.

Makes no sense. Geographically they’ll stretch the conference for very little gain. Denver, Salt Lake City, and Phoenix are major airport hubs that are easy to get to. Spokane airport is not. True it’s close to campus which minimizes the bus ride after landing (looking at you WVU) but still it’s not worth the hassle. As great as the Zags have been in basketball, it’s all based around a single coach. Once Few retires they have no idea if the program can sustain or not. Especially in a world run by football, why would you saddle yourself with a permanent members for a short term gain that likely turns out to be a long term headache? We know realignment isn’t done either with the ACC still ripe for the taking. The Big 12 needs to keep its powder dry.

I’ll piss in your cheerios.

Damn the Big Ten loves them some Iowa rivalries. I don’t get it.