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Yes but that vote would be from all DI schools not just the A5. I also think you’re walking a thin line if you remove the voting power from the only true Western Conference. The PAC12’s interests (like in venue selection for the NCAA tournament and travel rules) often coincides with other Western conferences like the WCC, Big West, and Big Sky; so strategically it make sense to leave that alone and not rock the boat. The MWC/PAC combo is in a unique position here.

The PAC12 is an A5 conference that has formal authority within the NCAA. Merging the organization of the MWC into the PAC12 allows them to keep that designation AND all NCAA/CFP payouts that both conferences were scheduled to receive and avoid any exit fees. They can also keep the branding and sponsorships as well. The TV deal is the big mystery here but that large piece aside, it makes sense, even if the conference is down to just WSU/OSU.

Woah now, let’s not go that far. They both suck. Utah is just the having its turn at the top of the leaderboard, BYU will get a chance to suck again soon enough.

Joining the B1G at a reduced share now (even if it’s slightly less than the Big 12) will likely payoff when they get full shares in the future. Short of a true power league, I’d bet the vast majority of schools would make that trade today no questions asked no thoughts required. We have some Okie State and Tech fans here, do you really think if the SEC called them up and offered them a spot in the SEC next year $20 million a year for the remainder of their current TV deal that they’d say no? So it’s 12ish million less a year for 6 years so you’d lose around $70million in the short term, that you’d more than make up by year 3 of the new TV deal where you’d get full shares. The Big 12 is only a destination conference for those that have no shot at the SEC/B1G. If they offer to let you join the club at a reduced share now for a full share later, then you should take it and not look back.

FOX drives the bus, but they don’t have full control. If the Big Ten can pitch a weekly late night kick to ESPN with the best of the P12 that people wanted to watch (USC/UCLA/Oregon/Washington) vs Big Ten teams and Oregon/Washington join for only $32m/yr until the next contract that likely is a good value proposition for the conference as they had 3 games on OTA and another likely on ESPN late which covers every network giving everyone a vested interest in the conference. That late kick would likely only complete with the 4C B12 teams which are a tier below. Weekly the Big Ten would have coverage on FOX, CBS, NBC, ESPN, FS1 (possibly a 2nd when no teams on bye week), and 3 games on BTN. Stanford/Cal don’t really do the same thing or make anything better for the Big Ten outside of academics, the SFO market, and as ND bait.

I hope they take Cal. lol seriously that would pretty much put the SEC in prime position for the ACC candidates other than ND.

Angry man yelling at TV: “Open PEACOCK you fucker!” TV: ”Now playing Cock fucker 2 on Brazzers”

Okay but how do I watch the Big Ten on Peacock or Big 12 on ESPN+? /s

Big 12 only gets 1 home game a year for tier 3 rights. That’s roughly 1/6 of their inventory not 1/3.

Texas getting screwed was due to conference rules and shady voting in 2008. It wasn’t a problem with the BCS system directly and to top it off Oklahoma had legitimate argument (they still fucking suck, but in preBCS they still could have been voted #1). Your best argument would be 2007 LSU getting in with 2 losses or 2003 when Auburn got left out, but each of those selections still feel within the original intent of why the BCS was formed.

@chase25 the Bowl Coalition/Alliance/Championship was created to matchup of up the best of the conferences against each other to determine a national champion. Historically due to bowl ties in (like the Rose Bowl) #1 from say the Big Ten did not always have the opportunity to play against #2 in day the SEC. THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF THE BCS was to remove the barriers and pair the best from the conferences (plural) against each other to see who was the overall best. It was not designed to put in the best made for TV matchup for ESPN, but that was a result of setting these matchups. In this scenario they shunned the system on which the entire foundation of the BCS was laid in order to make a better TV product. They turned away from the goals stated during their origination and sold their sole for $ over integrity (as is common). Since LSU won the SEC undefeated, they were already the undisputed champion of their league (by definition better than Bama) and Oklahoma State and Stanford were the undisputed champions of their league and they should have played. LSU/OK St and Stanford/Bama, but instead they gave Alabama a second chance at a title and deprived OSU/Stan of their first. Before the BCS LSU would have played in a bowl NOT against Bama. Going into Bowl season LSU/Okie St/Stanford all would have had a chance to win a national title but Bama would not. Without the BCS we could have had 2 champions between these 3 school, but only with this fucked up system would a school that historically never would have been in the running get a chance to revenge their loss and claim a title. That is why they went to the CFP. That is a substantive change to the original purpose of the old Bowl system. It truly was to pick the best teams to compete for a national title for TV, not for just removing bowl tie-ins to make sure the best teams from each conference COULD play.

Last year, SEC and B1G would have had 3 spots each (50% of the field) and that’s before adding their blueblood additions, may add USC’s spot to the Big Ten’s total giving them 7 bids. The ACC only would have had 1 bid. FSU was #13. You assume the PAC would have still had 1 (they had a strong year even if you remove USC) and the Big 12 could still pencil in for 2 spots. Tulane wins the autobid lottery. 2021- looks similar 3 bids for SEC/B1G again. 2 for the Big 12. Cincy representing the American. Utah the PAC, Pitt the ACC and ND. skipping 2020 due to COVID 2019 - looks similar 3 bids for SEC/B1G again. 2 for the Big 12. Utah the PAC, Clemson the ACC and #17 Memphis 12-1 stops the SEC from getting bid #4 with #12 Auburn or #13 Alabama. (Good highlight on why autobid won’t stay).

Crazy thing about that. If you add Arizona/Oregon/Washington to the Big 12, you have 4 conferences covering all but 6 states in the FBS (5 of which play in the MWC, #6 is UConn). Also with 12 teams, an undefeated will always make the cut (for the antitrust reason you mentioned above) and 1 loss teams may even have a shot. I don’t think guaranteeing a random 2 loss champ from a weak PAC, AAC, MAC etc automatically making it in the door is going to fly when the SEC/B1G are as loaded as they are going forward. 2 loss Tulane bumping a 3 loss LSU or Penn State out of the playoffs should not happen. Having 12 spots gives anyone in the FBS a realistic path for undefeated teams like Boise, Hawaii, Tulane, Northern Illinois, Western Michigan, and TCU/Utah/UCF teams of old a true shot which is a major improvement. The honest lack of access was the problem. Automatic bids doesn’t take that access away. If they get called to Capitol Hill, they have plenty of old CSPAN footage of the Senators/Congressman asking for access which they can say “we did exactly as you asked”.

The conference champ autobid is likely going away when they renegotiate the CFP after 2025 season. The SEC/B1G agreed to that because it required unanimous approval to expand the playoff from 4 to 12. That approval will no long be required for 2026 and you’ll likely see it moved to a straight up at large selection (maybe with a single carve out for a G5 team in the top 16 or something like they had in the old BCS). Second, the ACC (minus the COVID season where they had ND) hasn’t had 2 teams ranked in the top 12 since 2017 (Clemson and #10 10-2 Miami). I’ll send you $1000 right now against you 90% if you’re willingly to stand by those odds.

I’m going to disagree with the room on Clemson. ND is not a real option, so FSU, Clemson, UNC, and UVA would be the best possible scenario for the SEC. Clemson has a top 15 college stadium by capacity, and top 15 program ranked by wins, the most ACC football titles, 3 national titles, great all around athletic program that if they join with FSU would have all their historical rivals in the SEC save GT/NCSU. I get that SC is a smaller market, but Clemson is a power team worthy of being considered in the top half of a 20 team SEC. You compare Clemson to aggy and Auburn, not Texas and Bama. Do you take them alone, NO and I get that but if you can get them in a combination with FSU it adds a ton of firepower and offsets whoever else is added to go with them (could literally be almost any other two programs, like NCSU/VT or even really weak ones like Kansas/Duke). When you have FSU on board, Clemson is that sweetener that basically allows the SEC a free pass to add nearly any schools it wants because FSU/Clemson buys up that good will both internally and externally. If the SEC misses out on FSU, but lands UNC, you still need Clemson to make the moves balance out. As great as adding UNC/UVA would be, without a fb power like Clemson in the mix it will give the appearance of watering down the SEC and the message will be internally “Do we want to give up playing UGA/OU every other year in order to add UNC/UVA/NCSU/VT to our schedule?” Clemson is the glue that holds expansion without FSU together. The only scenario where Clemson is left out imo is if UNC/UVA insist on bringing along Duke and FSU is already on board. Then it’s the numbers pushing Clemson out the door. UNC/UVA might have enough leverage to make that move so it’s not unthinkable. Circling back, ND is not joining the SEC as a full member (maybe a scheduling agreement if they leave the ACC and the B1G tries to pressure them for full membership, then 4-5 games with the SEC while they return to the old Big East for other sports might make sense) so discussing them as an option is pointless.

But Grizzly Adams did have a beard…I mean Oklahoma State did win the conference in 2011. The argument they made was that Alabama was the best 1 loss team. Which while potentially true shouldn’t have mattered since they already lost to LSU. The whole point of the BCS was to stage a championship game BETWEEN conferences to prove which was best at the end of the season. We knew LSU was the best but had a chance to see them take on a 1 loss Okie St or Stanford from another conference which should have been the matchup, but since Okie St/Stanford aren’t bluebloods ESPN knew it wouldnt draw as well as Bama. And while they were likely correct, TV ratings was not the point of the BCS NCG when it was originally created. It was a shitty thing to do. Okie St deserved their shot but got fucked. Worse than Baylor/TCU in my opinion.

Not sure which conference you’re referencing. If it’s the Big Ten, I’m pretty sure ASU now with AAU membership and hockey and most importantly the PHX market is their top candidate over Zona. If it’s the Big 12, Arizona has been more open to joining the league and their basketball fits well with the remaining members. As the Big 12 doesn’t have a TV network, markets don’t matter nearly as much. ASU’s football ratings have been better recently than Zona but neither were really doing all that great. They 100% take Zona if they are willing to come, overplaying your hand trying to trade up and get ASU could easily backfire.

The Buffs were the team I was most upset to see leave the conference. Other than Colorado jumping on the blame Texas bandwagon on their way out the door despite voting with Texas on nearly every issue during their time in the Big12, I have no hard feelings either. Nebraska, Colorado, aggy, and Mizzou showed their ass and threw bombs at Texas and the Big12 on their way out the door to make themselves feel better and I found it fairly pathetic…especially when you compare how Texas, Oklahoma, USC, and UCLA are handling their current exits with tact and grace.

Big Ten, pass on all until you get clarity from ND/ACC. Big 12, UO/UW are obvious takes. Cal/Stanford could get invited but they are too busy looking down on anyone not in the B1G/PAC that it’s not worth the effort or energy right now to consider them realistic candidates. Maybe after 5 years in the wilderness they’ll come down from their high horse.

I agree with the sentiment. But if the Big Ten is going coast to coast and trying to move South with UNC, UVA, and FSU the SEC would be foolish to just let them in without any resistance. As I stated on the last page: FSU, Clemson, NCSU, VT works Clemson, UNC, UVA, Duke(or whoever) works too They need FSU or UNC to go past 16. If the Big Ten landed both of those it would be a big loss for the SEC (and if the SEC lands both that would be a big win). Assuming the Big Ten lands both FSU and UNC then I think the SEC standing pat is the right move. Without those, any moves would be too dilutive and spread the conference out for very little return.

True, but while the SEC will be fine without, the demographic and long term benefit of moving into NC are fairly obvious.

Only if the PAC lands a TV deal locks up a GOR. Colorado as #13 makes scheduling extremely difficult. UConn is the fall back option if they can’t land Arizona. Missouri says hello.

Okay… So Clemson/NCSU/VT/WVU… That doesn’t really move the needle the same way. Long term getting into those markets may help, but that would be painful in the short term so I think it would be unlikely. They could get by without FSU or UNC but not both. FSU/Clemson/NCSU/VT works… UVA/UNC/Clemson/Duke works…

FSU/Clemson and UNC/UVA are obviously the top candidates for the SEC. If they get those and chose to go past 20 to 22 or 24 I could see a school like West Virginia checking a lot of boxes, along with Kansas/Duke.

You clearly have no idea how pods work. It does NOT mean a 4 team playoff for a CCG. Pod1 and Pod2 make a single year division, Pod3 and Pod4 make the other division. The best team in these single year divisions play ONE CCG. Next year you change the pods around… Pod1/Pod3 in a division, Pod2/Pod4 in the other… year after that Pod1/Pod4 v Pod2/Pod3… rinse and repeat