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Army getting closer to replacing SMU in the American conference. Details below. https://sports.yahoo.com/army-could-be-joining-aac-in-the-coming-weeks-but-a-few-hurdles-remain-175403571.html
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All that is right except you’re glossing over that ESPN no longer has to auction anything for the SEC nor ACC they just pick and choose what goes where now since they own all the rights save for the ACC’s single game legacy Raycom deal now on the CW. Let’s just look at this week. SEC has their T1 game on CBS, 3 games on ESPN (main not 2/U), and 3 games on SECN. Texas is playing on ABC and Oklahoma on FS1. By adding UT/OU we’re not going to see fewer SEC games on ABC/ESPN, we’re going to see more because even the Tier 2 SEC games like OleMiss/LSU, UF/UK, Bama/MSU are likely worth more to the networks than the Big 12 game of the week which this week would WVU@TCU, both currently 3-1 but that game is on ESPN2. Arkansas/aggy and TN/SC are on SECN and likely would be considered more valued content than most Big 12 games. Sure they could get a small bump form Utah/Colorado but unless PrimeTime has staying power those school don’t historically move the needle enough to justify penciling them in a weekly spot on both FOX and ABC.
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I think that a fair assessment. I think with the Big Ten locking down 3 OTA slots weekly you’ll see a big push from the SEC to lock down 2 slots on ABC and maybe even 2 on ESPN as well. I see the Big 12 having a solid spot on FOX and a game on ESPN late kick as their regular line up. Sure they could grab another ESPN day spot or one of the remaining one on ABC for a really good game but so think those will be few and far between as the SEC+UT+OU will pretty much always have 3 games worth watching every week.
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Not a lawyer douche but the PAC12 has reportedly near $500 million dollars in assets. Going by how the PAC12 treated USC/UCLA and even more recently Colorado, WSU/OSU claim that every PAC12 member other than themselves have given up voting rights. The rest of the conference agrees they gave up voting rights on future conference decisions but are stating that they did NOT give up their rights to vote of issues related to the current final/season. It boils down to what is the legal definition of “Notice to Withdrawal”. WSU/OSU claim releasing statements saying they are leaving count while the others are stating that they have to officially inform the conference on letterhead or something before you can say they official withdrew. This is all semantics, because if the other 10 are allowed to vote they can dissolve the conference and distribute its assets plus take its NCAA tournament credits when them when they leave. So they are going to fight this out in court to see if WSU/OSU have control or not. If they do they likely will rebuild the PAC with the majority (if not all) of the MWC schools. If they do not then the PAC will be dissolved and they’ll likely just join the MWC. But the difference here is around $200+ million to WSU/OSU so don’t expect them to go quietly.
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Yes they won’t go to ESPN2/FS1 but other than that I guess we’ll have to disagree here. Multiple Tier One games have been placed on ESPN over the years. ESPN is going to push the SEC on ABC like crazy and the B12/ACC will have fewer OTA opportunities than they have in the past. If they were picking UT/OU to put on those OTA slots they won’t change their stripes when they still have the ability to put UT/OU and the rest of the SEC on ABC. Look at how the ACC has been used. That a preview of what the future Big 12 will look like minus FSU/Clemson/ND away games.
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The difference between the A and B package is the top 4 games. After that they are the same IIRC. What I saw rumored was those 4 games would be required to be on ABC. The contract stipulated how many games had to be on FOX but nothing specified how many were to be on ABC which was my point.
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Here’s the best breakdown I could find. No requirements for OTA on ABC. https://www.mattsarzsports.com/Contract/GameList/Big12/2023 I did see in a comments section while looking around that ESPN’s new “A” package is required to be on ABC. That’s only 4 games a year. Again, haven’t been able to confirm that from a real source though.
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IIRC the prior contract only specified that Tier One selections would be on either ABC or ESPN. If my memory is accurate, there was no requirement that X number of games be OTA with Disney.
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They do not have any guarantees on their broadcast windows. They and the ACC could theoretically never appear on ABC again. We know this won’t happen as a ranked v ranked matchup will get eyes but unlike the SEC and B1G which have over the air minimum considerations in their contracts. The Big Ten will have the Big Noon on FOX, the 230 spot of CBS, and a night game on NBC. The SEC will have their 230 spot on ABC and likely a Noon/Night game as well (though that also is not guaranteed). The Big 12’s biggest asset is that they are the only other major football conference on FOX and with the Big Ten’s exclusive OTA windows that leaves them some virtually guaranteed OTA windows.
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Yep, B12’s noon spot had no competition. If I was the ACC I’d be wanting to go head to head with them versus the B1G/SEC. Also TCU was playing for 1 of 4 playoff spots. While the Big 12 champ will still be in line for a playoff spot, it’s not as big of a deal when there are 12 of them. The Big 12 could continue their success, but lots of variables would have to align, the PAC crumbling makes it more like than not at this point.
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aka October
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Read that part again. We’re getting paid. That’s the vast majority of the money. The primary revenue pool is “other” money and ESPN is offsetting that likely as a payout for the LHN.
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READ the USA Today article! Texas/OU owed the Big 12 $160 million dollars per their bylaws, and that did NOT include any buyout to leave early which people were speculating would push it North of $200 million. The Big 12 is claiming we settled for $100 million. But in the fine print of the article, more than $80 million of that is the payout from the 2024-25 school year when we will be in the SEC. So we get no money the year we don’t play in the conference…sounds like what everyone assumed would happen. If you can put two and two together, that means that Texas and Oklahoma took a small cut this year to fund the new guys (just like every other school in the Big 12 did) which was less than $10 million each and got to leave early. So effectively they paid $0 in exit fees. Here is the best part: Good fucking job Texas. Hook’em and hats off to everyone involved in this.
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The problem with Central and South America is they are very quick to nationalize anything they can. Over the last decade Bolivia, Argentina, Chile, Columbia, and Mexico have all had multiple instances of screwing over foreign investors for short term political gain/graft. Investing in friendly near shore operations has always been attractive, but it’s the risk of lost capital that has primarily held back the transformative money that could help progress these struggling nations.
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New SEC divisions and pods thread (Page 30 starts recent discussion)
TKthunder2 replied to mdmost's topic in Football
The SEC is actively trying to avoid the appearance of pseudo pods. Texas, aggy, and Arkansas as of the last leak will not all play each other as rivals. The Arkansas/aggy game in Jerry World ends after 2024 and will not be renewed. Neither school really seem to care about the game. The aggy rivals will be Texas, LSU, and some other SEC school East of the Mississippi, most have penciled in MSU. -
Which Left Behind Little Brother Bitch Do You Hate the Most?
TKthunder2 replied to TexArcher's topic in Football
I actually have a brother in-law that’s a Baylor fan he lives in Colorado so I only have to see him on holidays. Funny enough I’m heading up there tomorrow to eat at Casa Bonita and taking the kids to one of the national parks for a long weekend and I will be watching the game with him on Saturday. -
Which Left Behind Little Brother Bitch Do You Hate the Most?
TKthunder2 replied to TexArcher's topic in Football
I don’t hate any of them. After this year I won’t think about any of them ever again unless we play in the postseason or something. They are the equivalent of what Colorado and Mizzou have been to us in the last decade. If they collectively were a color they would be beige. Except Rice…they are alright.- 259 replies
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Pretty sure Tech and Cincy should be on that bottom line too. They don’t get a pass for going to OT.
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LOL Week 3 PAC12 viewership 1. CSU at Colorado 9.3 million 2. SDSU at Oregon St 418K 3. Fresno St at Arizona St 195k 4. ???? This Colorado thing is bonkers.
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New SEC divisions and pods thread (Page 30 starts recent discussion)
TKthunder2 replied to mdmost's topic in Football
So if you have Tennessee play both Kentucky and Vanderbilt (which I think is the most valuable game for those schools) then you can’t have UK/Vandy play in keeping with the model where the SEC looks to be intentionally trying to avoid making pseudo pods. They could have made Texas, Arkansas, aggy, Oklahoma all play each other but instead the model went out of the way to have them mix in others so that they don’t all play the same teams. In fact OU, aggy, and Arkansas don’t play each other at all as rivals but they still have these local games on their every other year schedule mixing in some regionality. -
New SEC divisions and pods thread (Page 30 starts recent discussion)
TKthunder2 replied to mdmost's topic in Football
These would be my changes to the model that was floated. Missouri: Oklahoma, Arkansas, South Carolina Arkansas: Missouri, Texas, Ole Miss Texas A&M: LSU, Texas, Mississippi State Texas: Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Arkansas Oklahoma: Texas, Missouri, Florida LSU: Ole Miss, Texas A&M, Alabama Ole Miss: Mississippi State, LSU, Arkansas Mississippi State: Ole Miss, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt Alabama: Auburn, Tennessee, LSU Auburn: Alabama, Georgia, Vanderbilt Vanderbilt: Tennessee, Auburn, Mississippi State Tennessee: Vanderbilt, Alabama, Kentucky Kentucky: Tennessee, South Carolina, Florida Georgia: Auburn, Florida, South Carolina Florida: Georgia, Kentucky, Oklahoma South Carolina: Georgia, Kentucky, Missouri -
New SEC divisions and pods thread (Page 30 starts recent discussion)
TKthunder2 replied to mdmost's topic in Football
They already floated the setup with Ross Dellenger. They took the conference winning % over the last 10 years. The top 8 played 2 of the other top 8 and 1 from the bottom 8, the bottom 8 play did the reverse. The only notable oddity was that Tennessee (after having an atrocious decade+) was in the bottom 8 (and at number 13 I might add) so Alabama is yelling about having to play the hardest schedule known to man. A few games might move around but I think this setup is the most likely. Missouri: Oklahoma, Arkansas, Vanderbilt Arkansas: Missouri, Texas, Ole Miss Texas A&M: LSU, Texas, Mississippi State Texas: Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Arkansas Oklahoma: Texas, Missouri, Florida LSU: Ole Miss, Texas A&M, Alabama Ole Miss: Mississippi State, LSU, Arkansas Mississippi State: Ole Miss, Kentucky, Texas A&M Alabama: Auburn, Tennessee, LSU Auburn: Alabama, Georgia, Vanderbilt Vanderbilt: Tennessee, Auburn, Missouri Tennessee: Vanderbilt, Alabama, South Carolina Kentucky: Mississippi State, South Carolina, Georgia Georgia: Auburn, Florida, Kentucky Florida: Georgia, South Carolina, Oklahoma South Carolina: Florida, Tennessee, Kentucky https://www.si.com/college/2023/03/03/sec-football-schedule-dellenger-opponents-for-each-team-new-format -
You friggin idiot, everyone know aggy always wins every hypothetical game they’ve ever played. They won 10 straight hypothetical games versus the commies down in Austin…duh.
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You’re talking about salary caps like the athletes are getting profit sharing from the school. That is a completely different area than NIL. NIL is going to work the same way it does at the pro level. The QB of the Dallas Cowboys typically makes more money than the QB of most other teams just by being the QB of Dallas. QBs of other teams if they a really good can’t make great money too, nothing prevents this, it’s free market. Texas, by being the only blueblood of the largest football crazy state that is also in a major metro that is also surrounded by 3 other major metros has far more potential than any other team to take advantage of NIL. The closest #2 is likely USC (larger state/metro but not as invested in cfb in general) Feel free not to contribute to NIL but it absolutely has nothing to do with TV dollars.
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