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First, we’ve seen first hand how aggy, Arkansas, LSU, Ole Miss, and Alabama travel to Austin. Won’t be surprised to see Florida, Georgia, Auburn, and Tennessee do the same, but this isn’t about getting opposing fans to visit, this is about getting our own fans to attend. Many of us don’t live in Austin. A large contingent of our season ticket holders travel from DFW, Houston, and San Antonio for games. As someone who traveled to DKR from out of town for nearly a decade I can tell you that our Big 12 schedule was pretty much always trash but the #1 factor on whether I’d attend a game or not usually boiled down to the kickoff time or if it was a back to back weekend of home games 11am kicks against a mediocre opponent on a back to back weekend usually was not well attended. Tech was our highest attended conference game in both 2015 and 2017; and our lowest in 2019. Let’s see if you can spot the pattern. 2015 Lowest attended conference games at DKR were Okie St (230 kick but we had just played Cal in DKR the week before) and K State (11am kick the week after OU). Highest attended games were Tech and Kansas, both Primetime kicks neither part of a back to back. 2017 is basically the same story: Highest: Primetime non back to back games against Tech/Kansas Lowest: K State (Primetime kick week directly before OU) and Okie St (11am kick the week directly after OU) thanks Big 12! In 2019 when Tech was our lowest attended conference game, it was a 11am kick. Shocking! If you remove outliers of the 2020 COVID year and an amazingly sparse game where we played K State the day after Thanksgiving in 2021 on the heels of a 6 game losing streak, our attendance between our best and worst game each year only fluctuates between 3-10k people. We packed in 93,000 people to watch Louisiana Tech for fucks sake, bragging that Tech was our best “draw” only further emphasizes why we needed to make this move in the first place. Absent a horrific losing streak we still pack in 85-90k fans even with 11am kicks in back to back weeks with crap opponents. So I will absolutely deny that Tech was our “best draw in Austin” because, if you noticed in those years I highlighted above, our second “best draw in Austin” those same years was fucking a absolute trash Kansas Jayhawks team that went 0-12 and 1-11 respectively proving that any fucking school with a pulse could show up at DKR with a prime time kick that’s not part of a back to back and be our “best draw in Austin”. The arrogance of Tech thinking they are somehow special to Texas will never cease to amaze me.

Week 6 2022 Texas/OU on ABC at Noon Tennessee/LSU on ESPN at Noon Auburn/Georgia on CBS at 330 Alabama/aggy on CBS Primetime You dropping any of those to ESPN2? Also over on SECN they had 3 ranked teams playing unranked opponents including what was billed to be a good Arkansas/MSU matchup. and Mizzou@Florida was on ESPNU Edit: I think you’re also forgetting they lost all their Big Ten content. That was more than 1 game a week.

In 2022 the ACC only averaged about 1.5 games a week on ESPN/ABC. They had a heavy presence on ESPN2/U. The Big 12 with UT/OU averaged 1 game a week (remember they have FOX too). If the Big 12 adds Colorado/Arizona I’m betting that 1 will often shift to the late kick inventory (like it did with the PAC12 which only had 3 games on ABC/ESPN outside of the Late window) but maybe that ups them to 1.5 to match the ACC. That’s still only 3 games a week between the ACC/B12 like you theorized but one of those would be in the Late window meaning 2 games a week in the daytime windows leaving room for 4 SEC games.

The 14 team SEC last year during conference play averaged 3 games a week on CBS or ESPN and 3 games a week on the SEC Network. Only 2 games fell to ESPN2/U (Mizzou/UF, MSU/Aub). Texas and Oklahoma accounted for 8 games on ABC/ESPN while in the Big12 (and many also were in FOX). Their addition easily equates to an extra game a week which would give the SEC 4 quality games worthy of an ABC/ESPN broadcast. I suspect we’ll see push back from the B12/ACC from showing 3 SEC games back to back to back on ABC so I’d guess we’ll see 2 on ABC most weekends and a 3rd and highly likely 4th game on ESPN in a Noon/Prime kick. I don’t know about you, but I don’t think ESPN aggressively bid to get the SEC’s Tier One rights from CBS and help orchestrate expansion with UT/OU just to throw more SEC games on ESPN2/U.

The 330 window on ABC is an exclusive window for the SEC, no SEC games can be on any other network (including ESPN) at that time. The only exception to this exclusive clause is for a game on the SECN. At least that’s how the contract was setup when CBS had the SEC’s Tier One rights. Maybe they change it but I think splitting your audience during the biggest game of the week isn’t the best strategy. Assuming it didn’t change, once fully into conference play that’s 1 game on ABC at 330, 3 games on the SECN, and up to 4 other games that can be slotted into the Noon/Prime slots on either ABC or ESPN. Those will be in competition with the Big12 and ACC so some will likely drop to ESPN2/U or at worst SECN alternate/ESPN3. Odds are the #2 and #3 SEC games of the week will lock up 2 of those 4 spots most weeks, which leaves 2 slots for the Big12/ACC to fight for.

We can talk about the PUF in another thread but the simple answer is that there are two university systems in the PUF. Tech, UH, UNT, others started systems due to the pride of their sports teams, not for any other reason (I give Tech a historical pass due to their geographic isolation, but what once was necessary is no longer so due to technology interconnectedness). The simple solution is to join the UT system like SFA just did or aggy system just like East Texas State (Commerce) 30 years ago. Having the UT system setting program standards and setting growth strategies (both for geographic and academic programs) is way more beneficial to the state than letting every campus start unprofitable duplicate programs just to prove they’re as good as the flagship. The state lege does a okay job at stopping big money pits like law, med, vet schools from popping up everywhere but they don’t regulate down to department level. No need to have a mediocre Vietnamese culture/history/language department on every campus when you could have a excellent world class program on a Houston campus. You could use German, Czech, or any other nationality to make this point. California despite its many issues has grown the UC system into a powerhouse. If we ever want a system as good as theirs we need to mirror their setup as much as possible as it can both reduce overhead and make the programs at each school more effective.

Wow, that’s dark. If they can all just leave the PAC12 and let it, as an entity, default that would be a crazy outcome…meanwhile Colorado is still look for way to pay Coach Prime.

“We don’t want to play you anymore” pretty much means “we want to get away from you” in my book. Texas made a choice that we’d rather play Arkansas/aggy, over Tech/Baylor, and TCU (who we’ve already ditched once before). We’re mostly indifferent to West Virginia, Okie St, K State, Kansas, and Iowa St in the Big 12 as we are with South Carolina, Ole Miss, Mississippi St, Mizzou, Kentucky, and Vanderbilt. Besides the direction the planes fly, there is very little difference between these opponents for us except that with the Big 12 we played all 5 of these every year and in the SEC we’ll only play 3 a year which means we’ll have more room for Tier One opponents. Big time Tier One opponents: the SEC has many and the Big12 has zero. We can talk about the above all day long but in reality that just trying to find every excuse to not discuss the elephant in the room. The increase in ticket sales and TV viewership will be driven by these games. Every year we’ll have at least 3 games from some combo of Alabama/Florida/Tennessee or Georgia/LSU/Auburn. There is really nothing to discuss, this is a great move for Texas in pretty much every metric. Omitting the RRSO Texas went from (at best) 3 games against local “rivals” and 5 games we didn’t care much about (unless they were ranked) in the Big 12, to 2 local “rivals”, 3 Tier One opponents, and only 3 games we don’t care much about. So yeah, we left to get away from you.

Look, if after UT/OU left, had the Big 12 been raided by the PAC12/ACC leaving behind Baylor, K State and Iowa St; I doubt the greater college football world would have cared all that deeply. Sounds shitty but its true, just like no one around here would care if Washington St/Oregon St or Wake Forest get effectively relegated to G5 status. There was no wave of apathy around college football when the SWC/BigEastfb disbanded and 4 fb schools were relegated out of the power conference club. More people watched, more people tuned in. This is not a debate, these are facts. Three things drive college football: rivalries, brands and ranked vs ranked matchups. Ranking aren’t dependable and can’t be ‘reliably’ manufactured so that leaves brands and rivalries. Outside of Texas/OU and Bedlam neither has any great rivals in the Big 12. Other than those two games there was not a weekend people would circle in their calendar and the networks would be fighting over broadcast rights. Texas gains 2 rivalry games by moving to the SEC, Oklahoma loses 1, net positive. Then we get to brands and that is where the SEC move really shines. UT/OU keep the RRSO and both gain a minimum of two games with Tier One opponents (at least one home and one away) each year. So when we are looking at value the Big 12 provided only 2 games annually for Texas/OU (RRSO+Bedlam) plus whatever ranked vs ranked that they’d luck into; while the SEC provides 7 games of value (RRSO+UT/aggy+UT/Arkansas+2 other T1 games for OU+2 other T1 games for UT) plus any ranked vs ranked matchups that pop up. Oklahoma went from 2 games of value each year to 3 even after losing Bedlam. Texas went from 1 game of value to 5 because they didn’t lose anything the media or general fans valued by leaving the Big12 and gained more by joining the SEC.

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I just love how even in your high and mighty egalitarian model…you still left out Wake Forest.

I don’t normally see eye to eye with you, but this is pretty spot on.

Can someone explain this to me? They don’t want to play in prime time because of “health, recovery and campus logistics”? How does playing a few hours later in the day a big deal? They sound like whiny bitches.

Just noticed Antman3 and GOTG3 are both Phase 5 so maybe this needs a new thread.

Just caught up to everything current, all shows/movies So current status on character replacements:(best I can recall)

The SEC took Mizzou just to balance out the numbers. They were expanding with aggy and wanted a 14th. The only options at the time were Mizzou or West Virginia, and Mizzou was the bigger state which helped with the SECN. I wouldn’t read much more into it than that. The SEC did the same with South Carolina once they knew they’d be adding Arkansas and had struck out getting any Texas schools. Both of these tagalong schools are pretty much just trying to stay out of the bottom quarter of the new conference as they are 2 of the 4 SEC team without a national title claims (Vandy/MSU).

I didn’t make it. Just saw it on the late kick and took a capture. I think this is just Tier One and Tier Two TV payout. So no Tier Three, bowl/CFP/NCAA payouts, conference licensing other revenue.

This is contains the new deals for the Big Ten and Big 12. This does not yet include the PAC12’s new deal or the SEC’s renegotiation from adding UT/OU and a 9th conference game.

These are hitting close to home. Moved into tech management during COVID after being a senior engineer for years on one solution but then they assigned me to a different solution based out of Nebraska. So yeah, don’t know the solution very in depth and manage remotely as well. But all the metrics and reviews all say my team (half of which I’ve hired directly) is fucking good so who the fuck knows.

Out on digital now. Also, who the fuck would rent this for $25 when you can buy for $30?

I was not joking. I think our society is in a horrible shape because people can’t talk to each other unless you are on the same side. I think sensible gun reform is needed in this country and I think posts and comments like this hurt rather than help as people are just playing to their base and alienating anyone who remotely disagrees with them. 12 year old shot someone, this is already illegal in multiple ways, and this is what is being sensationalized. If we want to have a rational conversation about why a 20 year old had a AR15 that is a valid but ultimately different conversation. This is coming from someone who has voted for 3 different political parties in the last 3 presidential elections and has various policy options that don’t conform to a single political party. Call me as dumbass and vilify a reasonable/rational opinion all you want as that’s what both sides seem to do with divisive issues as it’s easier to play to your base than to have a dialogue that challenges your beliefs and policy preferences. This is why I don’t go to the CR and why I’m just going to ignore this thread from here on out.

You’re right, the “that’s a blasting” in the title is totally not sarcastic commentary on gun safety laws. Which law was weak here that we should strengthen? The laws already forbid just about everything that occurred here. By by highlighting this as a gun violence issue in the same vain as a mass shooting and being tongue and cheek/flippant many of you are alienating those in the middle that might be will to actually listen to your arguments and support reform in exchange for trying to irritate or ignore the other side. Trying to win feel good points no matter the cost is exactly how we end up with stupid people representing us in an ineffective government.

You should really drop it, the facts are not in your side. Nebraska was one of the only blueblood schools interested in going it alone and changing conferences at the time. Yes they’ve gone severely downhill, but it’s revisionist history at best to frame their additions as anything less than one of the best realignment moves in the BCS era at the time. Even now with Nebraska as shitty as they have been they are still have a following and are clearly in the top half of the B1G, in that second tier with Wisconsin and Michigan State. UCLA is a blueblood basketball school that is also an amazing academic institution in a great media and recruiting market with good enough football appeal to get 6th best ratings of their expansion candidates (ND, Clemson, Oregon, USC, Florida St, UCLA). It doesn’t really matter what your thoughts on the matter are, but FOX/CBS/NBC all agreed that they/USC and the total ownership of the 2nd biggest media market in the nation was worth the price. If the PAC12 had retained UCLA and added SDSU it absolutely could have lowered the total valuation of the Big Ten’s TV deal since they’d have a divided market where they could be in direct competition with each other splitting the total viewership. Nothing new since the report about 7 ACC schools trying to dissolve their conference and/or break their GOR.