-
Posts
4473 -
Joined
-
Last visited
Content Type
Profiles
Forums
Store
Downloads
Recruiting - 2020
2019-2020 Football Season
Football
Entertainment
Sports
News and Business
Cloak Room
Transfer Portal
Recruiting
Events
Everything posted by TKthunder2
-
Future OOC Schedules - What should they look like?
TKthunder2 replied to DFW Horn's topic in Football
Yep, 2008 was hurricane Ike moving the Arkansas game but you’re right Sam was in 2006. and good, playing FCS is dumb -
Future OOC Schedules - What should they look like?
TKthunder2 replied to DFW Horn's topic in Football
IIRC Texas played Sam Houston back in 2008 as an emergency makeup game when Arkansas canceled on us due to the hurricane. Why this tweet only goes back 15 years. -
My take. Back in the exclusive negotiation window ESPN reportedly gave them a $22mil/per school valuation and said take it or leave it. PAC12 left it and took its rights to market and found no one outside of the streamers but the schools want linear. PAC12 came back and said will you do $25mil/per (whatever number you can guess) and ESPN said that their $22mil/per offer had expired and they aren’t interested in continuing negotiations. (Dodds reports this) PAC12 now scrambling to get ESPN back to the table at $20mil/per and ESPN is still returning their calls (because why not) so the negotiations continue. (Others reporting this without context)
-
I disagree that taking SDSU is a kill shot for the PAC12, they could have just as much exposure with Fresno and UNLV. Yes, people who have seen the Big 12’s contract have reported that it has a pro rata clause for P5 expansion only. If ESPN wanted the inventory they be willing to pay for it. What they don’t want is more late night snoozefests. That’s why they aren’t bidding aggressively for the PAC. They could put poker on ESPN in that spot and it will pull half a million viewers, but the PAC isn’t doing a hell of a lot better so they don’t want to pay a premium for that. Most of those late games suck. The hope is Baylor @Utah, West Virginia @ BYU, and Tech @ Arizona, Okie St @ ASU, and TCU @ Colorado will do more for their ratings than they were able to do in the PAC. For the MWC they have a deal with FOX/CBS and it’s like $4 million/yer/per school. And sure you can absolutely give SDSU a partial share but in 6 years they’d get a full share, and the question is will they be worth it then?
-
No I get it. He’s looking for deals anywhere he can make a dime. He’s monetizing everything he can (statistic/data deals, pro day) not too proud to know they need to gamble a bit (extending the B12 TV early versus taking it to market, possibly dividing fb and bb rights) and he’s trying to make the Big 12 brand attractive in a way that it has more appeal than the PAC/ACC (Shaq/DJs at basketball tournament/Mexico games). The late window in combination with a football crazy Central time zone school has been some of the top viewed games on ESPN in that time slot. Texas@Cal, Texas@BYU, Baylor@BYU. The PAC’s numbers have also been heavily propped up by this late ESPN window where your only competing against a game(s) on lesser networks, FS1/ESPN2 (and the fact that they hide their worst inventory on the unrated P12Net). Getting the Big 12 into that window makes sense…BUT the Big 12 presidents have to vote them in. Just like we’ve seen from the B1G and Oregon, the commissioner doesn’t always get his way. When your plan is to poach Colorado, Utah, Arizona, and Arizona State to get into the late kick window it sounds great. When that plan turn into SDSU, Fresno, UNLV, and Boise that likely won’t be voted in just because the vision has been laid out there. These are long term decisions not made lightly for short term gain. The Big 12 last expansion was rushed and under duress with many schools hoping to avoid being left out in the cold. Now they have secured their future for at least the next decade and don’t have any major concerns as they now have options. Inviting lesser peer institutions to their club isn’t something they’ll do haphazardly. Unless it comes with a major immediate payday for all schools, I don’t see it happening without PAC12 schools that are peer institutions that can achieve two goals at once (late kick games and solidifying the B12>P12).
-
Boise is falling fast, unless they go back to dominating year in and year out with big wins against P5 opponents, they won’t be a good option for the Big 12. SMU also provides no real additive value to the Big 12, neither would Rice (though the PAC12 might take a chance on both). USF only makes sense if you want to round out the numbers with an Eastern add, but athletically they are disappointing. If you’re looking in the G5 for a school in general Memphis is your #1. And despite their lack of TV eyeballs, I wouldn’t sleep on Tulane. Tulane/Memphis would be a pretty solid duo. But neither of those offer the late window…time will tell if the Big 12 really wants that window or if it’s just an excuse to go after the P12 (which is how I’m currently leaning).
-
You can make that argument for ANY school. New Mexico fucking State would more than triple their ratings if they were playing a top ten TCU team on FOX, but that doesn’t mean you add them. I don’t care enough to go back and find the links/data, but the TV people have told the Big 12 for years that BYU was the only additive addition (window cougar jokes aside). Houston weaseled their way in partially due to the Senate asking all the Big 12 TX school presidents why Houston hadn’t been invited during their bitch session about Texas leaving (lol) and good old fashion lobbying. It also didn’t hurt to plant a flag in the largest city in Texas for the Big 12 to secure its Texas footing in that media market. Houston by themselves is near worthless (as SMU will be for the PAC), but with TCU, Tech, and Baylor they were possibly additive, even if just barely. Cincinnati was basically West Virginia 2.0 for this round of realignment as school that most casual fans would have already assume were in the ACC just with better/more recent success. While their long term value wasn’t great alone, they were the most valuable available property after BYU. UCF is the only school that you might have an argument against for SDSU, but even then they built a bigger on campus stadium years ago and have had far more football success plus the state of Florida is just a better football state. I’d rather take the #4 team in Florida versus California’s the number #5/6 (Fresno honestly better football). If SDSU had Fresno’s historical success then maybe I could see the argument.
-
I see no scenario where SDSU is pulled into the Big 12. If the B12 can’t peel away anyone from the P12, despite the feelers and misinformation, they’ll stand pat. ESPN and FOX aren’t paying more for non P5 teams. Even if SDSU was “worth it” (and that’s being highly optimistic) they’d need at least one more team who likely is ‘not’ which means diluting B12 income or ESPN/FOX deliberately overpaying, neither of which are likely to happen. If the B12 can only get a single P12 school, say Arizona, and they somehow worked it in secret to get SDSU as #14, we all know SDSU wants the PAC12 validation of teaming up with Cal/Stanford. Between that and the politics of their state I just don’t see that highly unlikely scenario occurring because as soon as SDSU is told the Big 12 is expanding with a P12 members they know they’ll get the first call from the P12 and have an invite in hand before the end of the week. Still this is their best chance for joining a strong B12 or a still somewhat respectable P12. If the Big 12 can peel away 2 or 4 members SDSU is not needed, and if they can only get 3 (AZ, ASU, CU) then why rush? Wait a few years and either Utah will come to their senses or further realignment (P12 schools getting B1G invites) or lack of realignment (think Oregon NOT getting a B1G invite around their next TV deal) could make that final spot in the B12 extremely valuable. Right now the B12 has the perfect attitude. We wanting to entertain and make money, and we are placing high value on Western members. But if they expand with SDSU, Fresno, UNLV, and Boise you immediately lower you brand, money, and make yourself less desirable to the schools that are your actual targets. I’d wager a mortgage payment that SDSU will not get a Big 12 invite in the next 4 years (around when the next round of negotiations are about to begin). If the PAC12 holds strong at 10, and doesn’t look to be breaking then maybe I could see the B12 taking a chance on SDSU at that time (though I still think it would be unlikely).
-
Correct. Plus ESPN/FOX aren’t going to pay for them either.
-
Yep, I cant believe they sent this over to chase. The market is fucked and giving one of the big 4 is not a good long term move. I figured they’d give them to a bank like Truist (formerly BB&T and Suntrust) which has $500b in assets and branches from Texas to New Jersey. FRB had California, New York, Massachusetts, and only lapping with them in Florida. This would have made them the 7th biggest bank in the US, behind the big 4 and Morgan/Goldman. Strategically I think it’s better for the industry to have more $1trillion backs than 4 massive multi trillion ones.
-
The leftover PAC10 plus some combo of the best of the MWC (SDSU, Fresno, Boise, Colorado St, UNLV) and the best of the Western American schools (SMU, Tulane, Memphis, Rice) would still work but they would clearly be the lowest of the P5.
-
South Africa is a pussy.
-
The Big 12 is not adding SDSU as the 13th team. They are sending out feelers but ESPN is only going to pay an increase for P5 expansion, and FOX may not even do that. They’ll keep communication open with them so maybe they decide to expand prior to their next media deal, but there is virtually no chance they do it now. For the Big 12 it’s Arizona/Colorado and other P12 schools or stand pat. SDSU wants both conferences to believe they are a hot commodity and for donors to give money to improve facilities to get to a P5 level, but their only realistic option at this point is joining a weaker PAC12 with Stanford/Cal post Big 12 raids. If the PAC stays together they’ll simply remain in the MAC.
-
Flight disrupting assholes Thread of Shame.
TKthunder2 replied to crash_davis's topic in Daily Texan
He is, Longview aka East Texas Regional only flies to DFW and back. If you ever have the misfortune of flying out of there take the first morning flight of the day as it’s likely the only one that will not be delayed. -
We’re all in agreement, but my point is: States entities have more leverage than your average private individual. GOR have not been tested with a state entity (as far as I am aware). The GOR has a great chance of holding up (not arguing otherwise) Additional legislation by motivated governments (State of Florida or South Carolina) can also assist in poking holes even if the first challenge fails. Doing nothing will be costly for both FSU/Clemson, the ACC, and ESPN as legal battles are expensive. I think they will likely come to some sort of an agreement, but for now we are just seeing the first in a long line of public back and forths between the schools/conference/ESPN that will ultimately be settled.
-
Very different enforcing a contract on a private individual, versus a state. That was just the ACC exit fee. The GOR is a whole other thing ON TOP of the 120 million. Breaking the GOR would cost FSU around $700million all in if you assume FSU is worth twice as much as they are being paid…and even more if you have data to prove ESPN is underpaying the ACC in general meaning the damage realistically could more over $1billion. That how ridiculous of a situation the ACC is in under their current contract that goes until 2036.
-
Umm yes.. https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/8/5/16101556/mike-leach-texas-tech-sovereign-immunity https://www.burntorangenation.com/2023/1/5/23541692/chris-beard-fired-texas-longhorns-lawsuit-sovereign-immunity aggy uses it all the time too https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/texas-am-escapes-copyright-claims-5th-circ-over-12th-man-story-2021-09-09/ https://myaggienation.com/archive/a-m-exempt-from-bonfire-claims---appeals-court-cites-schools-sovereign-immunity/article_f4f73744-f3c4-11e2-9e05-001a4bcf887a.html and even has instructions on its websites telling you all about it https://contracts.tamu.edu/_media/documents/contractdevelopment.pdf
-
Private agreements with Public entities are very different than deals between two Private parties. The State and Fed fuck over private contractors quite regularly. The entity of the ACC may be fucked, but the Public schools like FSU/Clemson might be able to break their GOR if motivated enough especially with a motivated state legislature and governor behind them passing targeted laws to help their cause.
-
I think they COULD get out of it because a GOR has never been challenged by a state entity. Hard to have the state enforce an agreement against itself, and who knows what will happen at the federal level as states do have autonomy. But ultimately, I think ESPN won’t want to encourage them the test the limits of the GOR and that they have a vested interest in keeping the ACC alive (even without its top schools the East Coast league still has value and expansion options). I’d wager that ESPN will give the ACC just enough additional dollars to be allocated to FSU/Clemson/UNC/Miami to keep them competitive by re-working their deal for more conference games and better OOC matchups with ESPN owned properties (SEC, B12, AAC, MAC, SBC) and less Big Ten, MWC, CUSA and FCS teams.
-
Good read on the ACC situation. https://abc11.com/sports/inside-the-big-money-battle-that-could-decide-the-accs-future/13188355/
-
Flight disrupting assholes Thread of Shame.
TKthunder2 replied to crash_davis's topic in Daily Texan
/Checks schedule sees conference in Orlando next week dies a little inside- 2047 replies
-
- 10
-
-
Honestly might be addition by subtraction. While the Big 12 officials are clearly the worst, the PAC12 does keep it interesting with their unique brand of ineptitude.
-
Future OOC Schedules - What should they look like?
TKthunder2 replied to DFW Horn's topic in Football
Wyoming seats 30k and I can’t believe DeLoss made that deal for a 2-1. He must have killed an hooker and owed someone a favor or lost a game of poker or something. UCF had a brand new 44k seat stadium in the heart or Florida. SFA’s stadium seats less than 15,000, there is no way we would play there…maybe if they hosted it at NRG in Houston. -
Things are not going to end well for gun shop employee
TKthunder2 replied to GoPokes83's topic in Daily Texan
Yep, going cashless is the new security. I can’t remember what restaurant I was at a few months back, but the staff no longer took cash at all. If you wanted to pay with cash you went to a machine at the front and put your cash in and bought a gift card, then the staff would pay your ticket with that. No change was provided. I’m sure the owners also make good money on unused money left on the cards as well. -
Awesome, the thread about population decline which is a subject that I am really interested in is very active today!
Football ... Basketball ... Baseball ... Other Sports ... Futbol ... 🤫995🤫 ... Gambling ... Movies & TV ... Music ... Hobbies ... Lulz ... Food & Travel ... Daily Texan ... Business and Markets ... Cloak Room ... Help ... For Sale ... Board Discussion ... Subscribe!... Donate!... Advertise... COOKIE MONSTER!