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This has always been the case. The ACC is not really in danger of falling out of the P5 because they have many quality backfill options. WVU, Cincy, UConn, Memphis and if they lose FSU/Miami they’d take UCF/USF and still have a pretty solid conference. Worse case example: BC, UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, Cincy, Lville, Memphis, Duke, Wake, UCF, USF

No, most of that was raised. The PUF doesn’t get dispersed to the general endowment. The AUF gets distributed annually to pay interest on PUF bonds pulled for capital improvements and cannot go towards operational costs. Most of the non PUF endowment comes from fund raising. 2006-2014 $3billion was raised. 2016-2022 $3.3 billion was raised. https://www.texastribune.org/2022/03/05/university-texas-fundraising-endowment/ https://www.texastribune.org/2014/09/02/ut-austin-mission-accomplished-forh-3-billion-camp/

The new SEC will have 8 teams that have a FBS national championship in the BCS/CFP era. 3 teams have legacy national championships from way back in the day and 5 teams have never won a title. If the 11 teams with a title, aggy’s is by far the oldest. Alabama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, Auburn, Texas, Oklahoma, and Tennessee are in the first group. Arkansas, Ole Miss, and aggy are in the 2nd group.

PUF in 2022 was valued at $24billion. Only 2/3 of that is for UT so $16 billion for the entire UT system. The endowment for the entire UT system is $43 billion as of 2021. So the PUF only makes up 37% of the UT System endowment.

PUF doesn’t even make up half of the endowment anymore. They raised over $3 billion nearly a decade ago just from bugging the shit out of our alumni.

lulz 8 teams in the new SEC have BCS/CFP titles and you have aggy as the only school that has 3 of the 8 as rivals. All others are playing 1 or 2 max. I’m not aggy fan, but I can’t see the SEC shitting on them that badly (though I’d laugh if they did). Other than that, this is a really solid plan that I think would satisfy just about every team in the SEC outside of College Station. Only a few active rivalry misses (some of which for competitive balance and simple mathematics have to occur): aggy/Arkansas (this was always forced anyways, everyone knew Arkansas just wanted a Texas annually again) Arkansas/LSU (again this was forced to since neither had a rival for rivalry weekend, conference could make sure they have LSU and aggy opposite each other on their schedule so they for sure play 1 of these two each year) Ole Miss/Vandy (this one is real but both keep their #1 and #2 rivals so it’s expendable) Alabama/LSU (massive loss by not having this game but more so on LSU’s side than Bama, this one has to go to keep a competitive balance, Bama can’t be rivals with Auburn/Tenn and LSU and have a 4th major game from UF/UGA/Texas/OU that would just be too much) UF/Tenn (doesn’t have as many matchups as it made out to be, Tenn is in high demand as Vandy&Kentucky’s #1 rival, and UF has UGA&LSU so dropping Tenn makes sense, especially since you know they would have dropped them in order to restore their annual game with Auburn if they could. Tenn could have UF/UGA opposite each other on the schedule so they play at least one every year and Florida could mirror the same setup with Tenn/Auburn too)

You’re just plain wrong on this one. Of course Cincy and UCF would have picked the Big 12 over the PAC but for obvious geographical reasons. Houston would want to join the power conference that had the remaining SWC members but if USC hadn’t blocked expansion in the wake of UT/OU’s departure announcement that scenario would have been drastically different. Tech and Oklahoma State (the two schools perceived as the biggest powers remaining) would have bolted immediately so secure their spots in a P4 conference. The PAC12 securing themselves with 12 and dropping the Big 12 permanently down to number 5 in the pecking order. Both schools are quality big state non religious that were already previously invited to the conference (as tag-a-longs) and could have bolstered the ranks of the PAC with little debate. Then the PAC12 could have reviewed its options and taken its time to grab #13/14 and even 15/16 if the numbers justified it. They would have had it’s pick of the remaining R8 schools like Kansas, K State, Iowa State, TCU, and Baylor, plus expansion candidates like BYU and Houston. My gut says they would have gone with Kansas, Houston, TCU, and Iowa State; then you’d have a PAC that looked like this: UW, WSU, UO, OrSU, Cal, Stan, AZ, ASU, Utah, CO, TT, TCU, UH, OkSU, KU, ISU and a Big 12 that looked like this: SDSU, Boise St, BYU, Baylor, SMU, K State, Cincy, WVU, Memphis, Tulane, UCF, USF Clearly the PAC would have been the better conference and would have secured their spot as #4 maybe even #3 after the upcoming ACC raids. I don’t blame USC for leaving, but let’s not act like their choices (coupled with Stanford/Cal’s arrogance) weren’t directly responsible for relegating the PAC12 down to the worst P5 conference.

I’d bet you a mortgage payment, assuming the 3-6-6 model, that OU gets Texas and Mizzou. Their #3 is the only part that is really open to debate.

Yep case scenario UF gets stuck with UGA, SC, and Mizzou they’d still get a home schedule where they will host one of Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, LSU and another from Texas, Oklahoma, aggy, Arkansas and another from Kentucky, Vandy, Ole Miss, Miss St. UF 23 home SEC schedule - Tenn, Vandy, Arkansas 22 - LSU, Kentucky, South Carolina, Mizzou 21 - Alabama, Tenn, Vandy last time they played Auburn at home was 2019

Florida is an odd one, they have lots of rivals but for most they are like the 3rd/4th and not 1st/2nd. Georgia and South Carolina (even if UF doesn’t care about them) make sense. Yes, they may lose Tenn/LSU annually but they add in Auburn/Alabama which helps restore the Auburn rivalry to a better state than it’s been in since the E/W split and especially since they expanded in 2012. They also mix in more West teams, plus Texas/OU in place of UK/Vandy/Mizzou which can only help their schedule. Every team is going to bitch and moan a little but Florida honestly may be better off with losing LSU/Tenn as a rival even if it stings for a bit. LSU is in a similar boat. Arkansas and aggy may consider them their top rival, but LSU doesn’t reciprocate. The other schools who they consider rivals have LSU as their #3/4. So, like UF this process may sting a little for them too.

So what I’m hearing is that they would pair well with Oklahoma and Arkansas…

SEC and ESPN want to hype up Texas and Oklahoma’s first big time SEC games against the top of the SEC. Hyping up Texas/Bama in a few years will lose some of its luster/novelty (and some eyeballs too) since we just played. They didn’t want to compound that issue with OU/UGA.

Quoting myself to bump an older post where I posted a 3-6-6 model with the added context of all time wins and some reasoning around why. Since this was a topic of conversation figured some people might like to see the data. LSU and Tennessee might be a little easier, Arkansas might be a little difficult but it protects the most rivalries possible. Again, I doubt this is the model but I think it’s far closer that some of the others I’ve seen posted on here.

This is not right aggy has played LSU more than OU Oklahoma has played Mizzou more than anyone other than Texas Arkansas has more history with LSU and Ole Miss than OU

Only conference champs can get byes (this was the Notre Dame rule). So only the winner of the SECCG will get that.

Original Big 12 had 7 AAU members. The new Big 12 will only have 1 (Kansas). Kansas is still one of, if not the top, academic school in the Big 12.

Hey Einstein, grouped rivalries in sets of 4 are PODS, and pods are not happening. Also who gives a fuck about Mizzou? Do you really think Mizzou/OU would generate any significant amount of revenue? The new SEC has 8 programs with titles in the BCS/CFP era, 3 with titles pre BCS, and 5 with no titles. Mizzou is in that last group and doesn’t have any history (outside of Oklahoma) that they can leverage within the SEC which makes them fairly unimportant in the grand scheme of things. Mizzou will be rivals with Oklahoma due to their Big8/12 history, and at least one school somewhat geographically close to them (think Arkansas, Kentucky, Vandy) and whoever else is left over that needs a 3rd rival (like South Carolina or Mississippi St).

They’ve already said East/West split is (like pods) not happening. It 3-6-6 9 game model or 1-7-7 8 game model. 9 game seems like the only true option. Your rivalries are also woefully unbalanced and incomplete. You have 8 power teams in the new SEC that all have a title in the BCS/CFP era: Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Texas, Oklahoma, and even though they don’t have a title you have to include aggy for 9. No team will have 3 permanent rivalries from this group, and all these will play 2 from this group, and those not in this group will play at least 1 from this group. Alabama - Auburn/Tennessee Auburn - Alabama/Georgia Georgia - Auburn/Florida Texas - Oklahoma/aggy aggy - Texas/LSU Florida - Georgia/ ???? (TN/LSU/OU) Tennessee - Alabama/ ???? (UF/LSU/OU) LSU - aggy/ ???? (UF/OU/TN) Oklahoma - Texas/ ???? (LSU/TN/UF) then you fill in the third rival for the teams above from the remaining Alabama - Mississippi St Auburn - Mississippi St Georgia - Kentucky Texas - Arkansas aggy - Arkansas Florida - South Carolina Tennessee - Vandy LSU - Ole Miss Oklahoma - Mizzou then mix in what’s left OleMiss/Mississippi St OleMiss/Vandy Mizzou/Arkansas Mizzou/Kentucky Kentucky/South Carolina Vandy/South Carolina Again I’m not saying this will be the schedule 100% (fairly confident it won’t be this) but something like this will be laid out so that everyone has at least 1 big time rival and you don’t have teams like UK/Mizzou/MSU with no rivals in the top group of schools.

I’m going to pistol whip the next mother fucker that talks about pods. PODS ARE NOT HAPPENING.

The SEC has added 5 schools in the West and only a single school in the East. South Carolina was always going to be the odd ball. Basically every school (that has more than one) will get 2 true rivals and the SEC will likely assign the third. SC’s most played SEC games are Georgia (74), Florida (42), Tennessee (40), Kentucky (32) so they’ll likely get UGA/UF and a rando school like Mizzou as their #3. Florida’s are Georgia (99), Auburn (84), Kentucky (72), LSU (68) so they’ll likely get UGA/LSU and have to deal with SC as their #3. Florida is one of those schools in an odd position in the conference but I’m almost positive they’ll have UGA and SC as rivals, but #3 depends on how it shakes out will the other lineups and could be LSU, Tennessee, or possibly even Oklahoma (worst case scenario for them).

Tennessee has played Alabama, Vanderbilt, and Kentucky over 100 times. They have only played Florida a little over 50 times. Likely that rivalry will not continue. Florida will play Georgia and South Carolina and some other school (LSU or OU because the SEC wants more top rated games) annually and then trade playing Tennessee annually to playing Tenn and Auburn (their other lost rival) every other year.

No divisions (or single division) is what has been basically decided per reports. Two options last reported. They want to make sure they play home/away at every school in a 4 year period. 3-6-6 or 9 game model (you have 3 annual rivals and rotate the other schools on an every other year basis) 1-7-7 or 8 game model (only 1 annual rivalry) Smaller schools (without a ton of traditional rivals) reportedly want the 8 games (SC, MSU, UK, Vandy) to keep their losses low and give them a better chance for bowls. The large schools with many rivals want the 9 games so a school like Bama doesn’t have to pick between Auburn and Tennessee, or Georgia between Auburn and Florida. Plus it also means more money from ESPN.

ACC deal runs through 2036 (they extended it and their GOR to get their ACC Network), and it’s dirt cheap all thing considered. Only other game in town is the PAC10 and they’ve already said they won’t pay them more than the B12 so Amazon appears to be in the lead for 90% of the P10 rights with ESPN only getting a partial tier one package for fb. And yes, Texas and Oklahoma and the SEC wouldn’t have gone through all this unless ESPN was committed to this move. They’ll pay.

I think banning FCS opponents and requiring that everyone play at least 1 P5+ND opponents would be good enough. Sure, you’ll have some that try to schedule Rutgers, Kansas, and Duke but at least set the floor and don’t let teams completely phone it in by filling up with FCS, CUSA, and MAC teams. Texas can play 1 P5 team, Rice/UTSA/UTEP, and another rando G5 team like ULL, Wyoming, or FIU and have a fairly strong schedule.

aggy is going to fight tooth and nail to keep LSU as one of their rivals and obviously Texas would be their other big one. LSU is hosting aggy this year, so in 2024 LSU would play at Kyle field. No way they host both Texas and LSU one year and then host neither the next year. Either aggy will have to play 2 games in Death Valley in 23 & 24 (which I doubt they’d like to do) or they’ll have to play us in Austin first. Texas will have aggy and Arkansas as our rivals (plus OU at Dallas) so similar to the above we won’t host them both in the same year so we’ll have to play one at home and one away in 24. Also now with Texas playing AT Michigan in 2024, our home OOC schedule will suck in 24&25 and the SEC (who will be getting more money from ESPN when we join) will help us off set that. I predict we’ll get a front loaded home schedule in 24-25 (with aggy in 24), and then have a slightly ‘lesser’ home schedule 26-27 when we have a better OOC game lined up. The only thing we have to play first is at LSU to give them that make up game that got canceled due to COVID. I see our SEC schedule (without OU) looking something like this: 24- UGA, Aub, Mizzou, aggy, @Ark, @LSU, @UK, @MSU 25- Bama, Tenn, SC, Ark, @aggy, @UF, @Ole Miss, @Vandy 26- LSU, MSU, UK, aggy, @Ark, @UGA, @Aub, @Mizzou 27- UF, Ole Miss, Vandy, Ark, @aggy, @Bama, @Tenn, @SC Any way you slice it, this is way better than any Big 12 home schedule we’d get.