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IIRC they just have to give 12 month’s notice. To avoid any complications they would have to withdrawal from the conference before July 1st. They could still pull out after it just opens them up for violating conference bilaws. If they don’t have a deal by then…
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I know BC sucks absolute shit right now but they (or UConn) have always been a dark horse candidate for the B1G in my mind. Notre Dame has lot of history with BC and Boston has some of the most ND fans in the country. The Big Ten also doesn’t have any coverage in New England which makes a BC/ND combo very appealing before you even consider thing like academics and hockey. Not sure what Missouri is doing on your list here.
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Future OOC Schedules - What should they look like?
TKthunder2 replied to DFW Horn's topic in Football
Yeah “no reason” at all…as season ticket holder, I love playing games against San Jose and Louisiana Monroe and hate games against USC and Notre Dame. People who WANT more shitty football games are pussies. -
First part of this segment touches on the “if you’re good, the NFL will find you” fallacy, which is what I was trying to explain as it relates to why the Big 12 pro days was a great idea.
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Jon Wilner blog article https://sports360az.com/2023/04/hotline-mailbag-worst-case-scenario-for-the-pac-12-outlook-for-oregon-and-uw-valuation-rumors-expansion-candidates-and-more/
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NYC is nearly 9 million people, NJ itself is #11 in population with over 9 million people, the CSA of NYC/NJ is over 23 million. The State of Maryland is 7 million and DC/Baltimore metro which includes areas of Northern Virginia is 10 million Penn State already had a claim on Philadelphia and their metro of 7 million but it was fairly weak but now with Rutgers/Maryland the Big Ten can basically claim (and will have metrics to prove) the entire area from DC to NYC as their footprint and will be able to charge additional carriage rates for their network. That will not happen with TCU. There is too much competition in Texas and SEC/Big12 will control the vast majority of the market share. With just TCU, I’m not even sure they could get in market rates in Dallas likely just Fort Worth. The top markets left to the Big Ten are San Francisco, New England/Boston, Atlanta, Miami (& Orlando indirectly), Phoenix, Seattle, Denver, Portland, Charlotte, Salt Lake, Kansas City. so PAC or ACC or Kansas.
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So we agree on most of your points however I think you’re off on UNC. UNC's Cunningham joins call for unequal revenue distribution among ACC schools
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That was not a PAC12 conference game. OOC games can vary wildly and aren’t something you can count on year to year so when comparing conferences you typically only count conference games.
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The PAC12 only had 2 top 5 conference games last year (omitting USC v UCLA) both were the 4th most watched games of the week. 1 of those featured an LA school (USC/Utah) and the other was Oregon/Washington and BOTH were over the air on FOX. note the Big 12 (omitting RRSO) had 4 top 5 conference games, 2 that did not include UT/OU (TCU/ISU and OSU/KSU) and 2 that included Texas. The ACC had 3 all Clemson games. Other than those 2, the PAC’s top rated game of the week included 2 #7 games (both featured LA schools and both were on FOX), 3 #8 games (1 LA, 1 on ABC-UO/OSU), and 3 #9 games (2 LA, 1 on FOX). And anything NOT on OTA on FOX/ABC was on ESPN late night window where they were the only P5 game and got a bonus bump which now is in competition with the Big 12 (Baylor/BYU was the third highest game in the late kick window this year). Take away their exclusive P5 late night window, FOX OTA, and the LA schools and they have no chance. This is their last big time contract. If they can’t get a good deal now they never will and in 10 years they’ll be significantly behind not just the SEC/B1G but also the B12/ACC.
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I agree completely. 3-6-6 is the obvious solution. Was just trying to understand why people think 2-7-7 works better other than “we don’t need to play Arkansas every year”.
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How does 2-7 work? Oklahoma and aggy every year then… year 1: Alabama, Miss St, Florida, Tenn, Mizzou, SC, and Arkansas year 2: Auburn, Ole Miss, Georgia, LSU, Vandy, UK, and NOT Arkansas?so who? To play everyone evenly it has add up to 15 (3-6-6=15 or 1-7-7=15). 2-7-7=16 Am I missing something here? Yes you could rotate teams but that seems like it would be more difficult on your home and away schedule and allows people to bitch and moan when they catch the toughest non rival team in that extra rotation 2 years in a row. It also would slowly over the years adjust the schedule. If they set it as a predictable repeatable rotation the SEC can make sure to try and balance home/away schedules for the conference members to try and avoid extremely tough schedules one year and weak schedules the next and give them good home schedules year after year. If you’re slowly adjusting the schedule by one team a year there is a chance that you end up with a home schedule of SC, UK, MSU, Vandy.
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Flight disrupting assholes Thread of Shame.
TKthunder2 replied to crash_davis's topic in Daily Texan
Yeah, my take too. Maybe this should go in the unpopular opinions thread but… Do you pickup spilled popcorn at the move theater? You drop a tortilla chip on the floor do you crawl under the booth to retrieve it? While I think it’s good manners, respectful, and polite to pickup as best you can, shaming a mother traveling with two children not even in grade school yet seems like one of those times where the flight attendant should remember that they are in a service business and just stfu and pick up the mess. -
I agree the PAC12 like the Big 12 was fucking stupid with scheduling, the fact that you have a good schedule one year and a shit schedule the next is idiotic. The Big 12 isn’t quite that bad, but still… 21: Tech, OSU, KU, K State 22: TCU, Baylor, ISU, WVU a more balanced slate would have been TCU, Tech, K State, ISU OSU, Baylor, WVU, KU
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Yep, don’t disagree with your takes. Went off existing rivalries and then filled in the blanks. The only current rivalry in that setup that would no longer play every year is Nebraska/Wisconsin who have only played 13 times. All the other old Big Ten rivalries have played 90+ times with the exception of Michigan/Northwestern (76 games, which you point out might be a candidate to be dropped for USC) and Indiana/Michigan State (65). Little Brown Jug was already sacrificed to the realignment gods so I left it alone. For the expansion schools: Nebraska gets the two teams it’s played the most historically and UCLA as the Western most of the current B1G footprint. Maryland gets the only team it can vaguely claim as a rival in Penn St and Rutgers as the Eastern most teams. Penn State keeps its two big new Big Ten rivalries in Ohio St and Michigan St plus Maryland. Rutgers gets Maryland and whoever is left. Fill out the historical and geographically rivals and you basically had multiple games from the Eastern and Western additions plus the Indiana/Purdue/Illinois and a single game from breaking up Nebraska/Wisconsin. For USC (let’s assume you’re right about Northwestern as your 3rd rival) your home schedule would be something like: Year1: Wisconsin, Ohio St, Purdue, Rutgers, Notre Dame Year2: UCLA, Northwestern, Michigan, Nebraska, Maryland Year 3: Wisconsin, Penn St, Minnesota, Illinois, Notre Dame Year 4: UCLA, Northwestern, Michigan St, Iowa, Indiana Two blah games a year, and a weak Year 4 but still not a bad schedule.
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They won’t join the MWC. The PAC12 will have significantly more postseason credits, long term sponsorships, bowl contracts, and it’s still part of the ruling Autonomous 5 within the NCAA. Even if it’s down to just Oregon St the rest of the MWC would ditch San Jose St and Wyoming to join them.
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Possible line up if big ten 3 permanent rivals that also illustrates the competitive balance by using conference winning percentage from 2014-2022. Saved all the current rivalries except one but the variance in SOS is pretty drastic.
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This whole argument again. Yes SWC schools like Houston and SMU and TCU and Rice “fans” absolutely switched their alliances to Big 12 schools. Clearly not 100% of them, many die hards would not but then they likely just stopped watching cfb. But their kids, when they started getting interested in college football likely gravitated to Texas or aggy or Tech. People want to belong and feel included. You can still root for Rice while also rooting for Texas. Just because you personally disagree with this doesn’t mean it’s not true. As for why conferences and networks would ditch Okie St or BYU’s 1-2million eyeball it’s because they are local die hards and not casual fans. Die hards will watch them play San Jose St but casual fans won’t. What happened when the FBS/FCS split, when Texas ditched the SWC for the B12 or Miami ditched the Big East for the ACC? Did college football suffer when Rice and USF were left out or did it get more popular? This isn’t a black or white solution. If Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio St, Michigan, Penn St, Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Florida, Notre Dame, Clemson, and USC split off to form their own league just playing each other and crowning their own national champ that would not be the best the sport and would likely not have the desired outcome for the networks. But flip side, let’s not act like the world of college football would be ruined just because Oregon St, Mississippi St, Wake Forest, Purdue or <insert Big 12 school> we’re left out. There is a balance that the networks need to be mindful of. USC/UCLA are not the only programs West of Austin that have value.
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Unless the merger nullifies the ACC GOR I’m not sure how that helps. Even if they have a clause that triggers a renegotiation, it’s likely based on just paying more for the new schools not paying everyone more otherwise they could just add UConn or Memphis and not worry about going to the West Coast. I get this comes from a source WAY more knowledgeable about the subject matter than any of us, but I feel like they skipped over some key information that proves their point
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Dell Seton adding a wing and doubling their height. https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/ascension-seton-invests-280m-to-revamp-expand-dell-seton-medical-center/
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I haven’t put a ton of thought into this but yeah, USC/UCLA are obvious. Then they’d pair one (likely UCLA) with Nebraska as the Western most member that has no significant history with the Big Ten. After that though… You assume they need to get at least one of the Big 3 (UM/OSU/Pedo) on USC’s schedule so they have a guaranteed USC vs 2 of those 3 each year but I’m not sure how they’ll swing that. Michigan: Ohio St, Michigan St each year Ohio St: Michigan and Penn State each year Penn St: Ohio St and Rutger and Maryland each year I don’t see them cutting off Rutger/Maryland from Penn St, nor do I see them overloading Ohio St/Michigan with anymore big games but something will have to give. You don’t add USC to your conference and NOT pair them with another blueblood as a rival. Best guess it they give them Penn State and have Rutgers drop their annual Penn St game for Ohio St or Michigan.
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I wish they’d just tear down the rec and remodel that whole two blocks for both football and a new and improved rec. Gets the players directly next to the locker room, provides more roof top field space and they could excavate down for underground parking on both blocks. I assume the price tag is too high because it seems like an obvious solution.
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Shooting at Austin protest tonight, 1 dead
TKthunder2 replied to clapclapclap's topic in Daily Texan
So this guy was putting his gun in his pants while cocked (ready to fire) and with one already in the chamber. That’s pretty stupid. -
Zero motivation? I mean if they want to keep the ACC around with teams that actually justify general interest, I’d say that motivation. If they don’t give FSU/Miami/UNC more money sooner rather than later, what are the odds those schools would want to continue their association with ESPN either by joining the SEC or by staying in the ACC and continuing their partnership with them? They have a motivation. Now in these belt tightening days of TV$ is that enough to override their greed? FSU/Clemson/Miami/UNC see themselves as worth the same money as Maryland and South Carolina. Now they obviously won’t get that by staying in the ACC, but if ESPN doesn’t give anything then there won’t be an ACC worth broadcasting come 2036. I see ESPN pushing for another 5 year extension and giving the ACC the same money as the Big 12 is getting (maybe a little more to make them feel good) in exchange for 9 conference games and a better OOC slate (say all ACC teams have to work with ESPN to schedule 2 P5 teams a year going forward). The goal is to keep the Big Ten away and provide ND a home to keep them out of the Big Ten (where ESPN will have even less access to the Irish).
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Probably Ole Miss most years over Tech honestly. If Tech was added as the 17th SEC members they’d likely be around #11 of schools we’d want to play just barely sneaking into that third quadrant with Auburn/OleMiss/Mizzou just above UK/SC/MSU/Vandy We’ve played Tech 72 (not 100) soon to be 73 times which will tie them with SMU as our 7th most played team. Texas is reconnecting/keeping 3 of our top 6 and finally getting to leave Baylor like we wanted to back in 1996 and ditching TCU and now UH again for the second time. If Tech stop whining like a little bitch I assume we will keep them as a regular OOC game in nonfb sports and an occasional OOC opponent like we do with Rice. Texas A&M 76-37-5 (118) Oklahoma 63-50-5 (118 *passes aggy this year lol) Baylor 80-28-4 (112) Rice 74-21-1 (96) TCU 64-28-1 (93) Arkansas 56-23-0 (79) SMU 47-22-4 (73) Texas Tech 54-18-0 (72) Oklahoma State 26-11-0 (37) Houston 16-7-2 (25) Missouri 18-6-0 (24) Kansas State 13-10-0 (23) Kansas 17-4-0 (21) Iowa State 15-5-0 (20) Tulane 17-1-1 (19) Colorado 12-7-0 (19) LSU 9-8-1 (18) Nebraska 10-4-0 (14) West Virginia 6-6-0 (12) Vanderbilt 3-8-1 (12) Notre Dame 3-9-0 (12) Alabama 7-2-1 (10) North Carolina 6-3-0 (9) Ole Miss 6-2-0 (8) Auburn 5-3-0 (8) New SEC will have 413 games of history for UT when we start play. The 10 team Big 12 would have had (without expansion) had 517 which 113 of those were against Baylor who we all hate and wanted to kick out of the fucking conference anyways. The whole Texas is leaving its historical rivals story line is dumb since we already fucking did that back when the SWC broke up. This is just the next chapter of that same story. Even leaving out aggy/pig, we already have more history with LSU than we do with WVU, and in a decade they’ll pass any history we have with KU/KSU/ISU. So changing conferences for Texas is a wash historically speaking and a GIANT win for our home schedule, recruiting, financials and just about every other metric (which is why we made the move). A real argument I’m not hearing anyone really make is that Oklahoma is leaving it’s historical rivals, but as everyone loves to focus their hate on Texas somehow they keep getting a pass in this whole thing in the media/public.
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