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TKthunder2

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  1. Between Oklahoma, Missouri, and Arkansas…I think they got it covered.
  2. People don’t like to watch the home team lose.
  3. Oregon State is basically K State without any football success and in a worse time zone. The state of Oregon is small, has very little recruiting or market value and the ducks basically dominate that market. Washington State is a little better, but their stadium is the smallest at 32k by 8k seats. In this instance, the Big 12 fans are right.
  4. Yes, if you’re adding from the G5 (or adding schools like Maryland and Rutgers) you are diluting your product. Full Stop. Big12/PAC12 merger dropping WVU and Baylor (or Oregon State) would have been the best scenario, but the timing just didn’t work out.
  5. Confusing premise is confusing. Big 12 pre TCU/WVU w/o UT/OU… Would have been the PAC12 adding Kansas, Iowa St, Oklahoma St, and TX Tech to get to 16. USC/UCLA bolt and then they add TCU and Houston.
  6. Obviously attendance is reported by the schools, but unless you have the fire marshals reporting the turnstiles at every game it’s the best we have. aggy reported 90k attended their UMass game that looked to barely have 20k, but the official statistics are the official statistics.
  7. Georgia Tech won their last national championship in 1990. Are you aware of this team that plays in College Station, TX ?????
  8. Rarely outside of big games but they average 45k attendance around 70% of capacity of the off campus facility. Again Miami only has 12k undergrads so they do pretty well if you compare them to private schools: Elite (60k): USC, ND Good (40k): Miami, TCU, Baylor, BYU Fair (30k): Stanford, Northwestern, Syracuse, Boston College Bad (20k): Wake Forest, Vanderbilt, SMU, Duke Real Bad (15k): Rice, Tulane, Liberty, Tulsa
  9. No, they will raid the MWC. NCAA tournament payout and Bowl contracts still make the entity of the PAC12 more valuable. They’ll grab the best 8-10 MWC/AAC schools and the MWC will be back filling with UTEP/NMSU and anyone from CUSA/FCS that will join…same as it ever was.
  10. 27k 46% of their off campus stadium with an enrollment of 22k students. Meaning they pull in more fans than their student body.
  11. The Big 12 should definitely invite Liberty then…having a huge enrollment isn’t always a good thing and comparing them to aggy is laughable. aggy (occasionally) fills up a 100k seat stadium while UCF averages 35k in attendance which is only 80% of their new smaller capacity stadium. Yes better opponents will help but that’s not a great sign. It’s a gamble. The Big 12 is gambling that UCF will be able to consistently compete at a higher level and actually get a large portion of their students/geographic area to start caring more about UCF/mostly out of region B12 football OVER UF/SEC and FSU/Miami/ACC…that’s not a sure thing and in many ways despite its huge enrollment, UCF is still very much a little directional school.
  12. Yes they are huge and in a big market with a fertile recruiting ground but I’m just thinking about the line up of the new Big 12 schools especially with the 4 possible PAC additions. 5 Flagship Universities 4 ‘States’ 1 Tech 3 private schools 2 big city U and 1 directional U Just seems like an odd fit when you line up all the pieces even without looking at the geography. And no this isn’t just a hindsight thought. That being said, it’s impressive they cracked the glass ceiling and were the first directional U in the P5 (USC doesn’t count).
  13. Am I the only one that thinks the Big 12 made a big mistake by taking UCF over Memphis? UCF is like a weird appendage in the new Big 12.
  14. Agree, historically UCLA is not even in the top half of the new Big Ten. They are more comparable to Iowa or Purdue than Michigan State or Wisconsin.
  15. I know this link was posted before but no one noticed this… https://www.si.com/college/2023/03/03/alabama-coach-nick-saban-not-fan-proposed-2024-opponents-sec-schedule So using this aggy is the #8 team in the new SEC while Tennessee is tied for #12. You take out Tennessee and sub in aggy and everyone in the top 8 plays 2 others in the top 8 and 1 in the bottom 8 Florida: #2Georgia/#3Oklahoma (#12SC) = avg ranking of rivals 5.66 Auburn: Alabama/Georgia (Vandy) = 6.33 LSU: Alabama/aggy (Ole Miss) = 6.66 Oklahoma: Texas/Florida (Mizzou) =6.66 aggy: Texas/LSU (MSU) = 6.66 Alabama: LSU/Auburn (Tennessee) = 7.66 Texas: Oklahoma/aggy. (Arkansas) = 8 Georgia: Florida/Auburn (Kentucky) = 9 So Florida here has the biggest complaint not Bama. UF only has a single team they consider a “rival” as their new official rivals and has the toughest schedule. The rest are all near that 6.66 avg. Auburn a little tougher and Alabama/Texas a little weaker due their historic/geographical rivals. The real head scratcher here is Georgia. If they gave South Carolina/Georgia and Kentucky/Florida then Florida’s avg would be 6.33 and Georgia’s would be 8 which would shrink the range between these two by 1.66
  16. https://saturdaytradition.com/big-ten-football/hayes-b1g-drama-trying-to-figure-out-permanent-opponents-for-16-team-super-conference/amp/ Apparently the B1G is doing the same 9 game/3 rivals/3-6-6 model as the SEC Some fun quotes here. The R8 will love the Power 4 comment. Still I don’t see how they pair USC/UCLA with Michigan and Ohio St. Unlike the SEC which will have 8 teams with recent titles, the B1G only really has 4. To match the number of big time games that the SEC is putting out they’ll have to make all these big time schools rivals but then the smaller schools would all just be rivals with each other (think Northwestern/Illinois/Indiana/Purdue all just playing each other as rivals) meaning they’d only get 1 major opponent at home each year, which doesn’t seem like it would fly.
  17. In fairness, USC blocked any expansion since they knew they were leaving and would sign a new GOR (though Stanford/Cal likely went along with it too)
  18. Agree but for that to happen LSU and Arkansas would have to be rivals, and in this model that is not the case.
  19. After looking this over, the Thanksgiving rivalry weekend games for the Western SEC schools would have to be: Texas/Arkansas, LSU/aggy, Oklahoma/Mizzou
  20. First line: “Nick Saban has never been accused of backing down from a challenge.” Then follows an entire article about why Nick Saban is backing down from a challenge.
  21. I agree, the soccer super league will happen, a breakaway elite college football league will happen. Listening to Baylor fans cry about the loss of regional cfb when they left the very regional SWC is gold. Most people would not care if Purdue, Mississippi State, Northwestern, or Vanderbilt got left out they care that their “region” is represented which means you just can’t also cut out Indiana/Notre Dame, Ole Miss, Illinois, and Tennessee (which is why you could see some wonky things like how Syracuse, Boston College, UConn, West Virginia, and Kansas could make it in while other more athletically deserving Big 12 schools don’t). I agree with all his points except basketball. We have DI, DII, DIII, NAIA, and JUCO leagues separated out for a reason. Basketball will split at some point too as we don’t need 400 teams in DI. Even if you just took the FBS conferences, you could kick that number down to 130 plus the top 5 nonFB conferences Big East/A10/WCC and go back to a 64 team bracket. If the elite college football league can run its own basketball tournament and make more money it will (I think the obvious answer here is yes). The only question is do you include anyone else, and if so how many and who.
  22. Nothing major, but the way I’ve heard it is that Texas politicians lobbied hard under the guise of we had to protect Texas Tech since it was a public university. Once that point was agreed to and Tech was #11 everyone knew they’d need to add #12. The Big 8 schools threw out BYU as an option to help curb the influence of the State of Texas but Baylor was always the one being pushed by the politicians and they weren’t going to be left out. BYU never really had a chance.
  23. Will cigarettes, alcohol, porn exist in 50 years? The answer is clearly yes. The NFL is the most watched content in the US that will take significant time to diminish. We have 100k+ seat stadiums In college and major high school stadiums that are bigger than some colleges. This is a cash cow for the NFL/P5 programs and they won’t let it go quietly into the night. The rules will change. The game might look a bit different but CTE isn’t going to kill the game. The lack of kids participating is the real threat and in high school football that doesn’t seem to be a problem currently. If you start seeing a bunch of highly populated high schools canceling their football program and associated programs like marching band/drill team and switching homecoming to basketball games then I’d be worried. For now they’ve just started 2 additional professional football leagues again so I don’t think it’s at risk currently.
  24. Agree on diminishing brands which is why I think there will be a big fight over UNC. They bring basically every the SEC/Big Ten could ask for in a program except they are NOT a blueblood or even near blueblood in football (UVA too but not to the same level as UNC). You need your powerhouse football teams to play each other enough to keep TV schedules and home football schedules interesting, but not SO much where (to use your example) Ohio State is over exposed to every major power in the conference every year. As much fun as it would be to see Ohio State’s schedule fill up with Michigan, MSU, Pedo, USC, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Oregon, Washington, and Miami each year, it would be bad for the conference overall and long term. That’s why, I see more realignment coming. Schools will take a hit on the money to invite Stanford or UVA because you need those opponents that can fill up your wins column in football but also contribute with their markets/fan base size, basketball, non fb/bb athletic programs, and yes even academics (presidents would rather give up some money to be in a club with UVA than they would with Louisville or Boise St). That being said, the demographics of the South are booming and the Midwest not so much. Getting the Big Ten into Virginia, North Carolina, and major Big Ten alumni cities like Atlanta and Miami would be a giant win for a Rust Belt conference. This is the next big realignment fight. The SEC made it clear that they have no real interest in the PAC12 or any Big 12 leftovers as a standalone addition (I could see a school like Kansas or West Virginia get added to round out the numbers like they did with South Carolina and Mizzou in the previous rounds) so they will be focused on the ACC almost exclusively. The Big Ten knows it can take any PAC12 school now and basically any time. If they lose out on UVA/UNC then they grab Oregon/Washington/Cal/Stanford and maybe even some 4 corner schools to build up their numbers, but their is no reason to do it now. Wait and see how the ACC schools shake out then make a move.
  25. ACC (along with USF) when FSU and Miami leave for the Big Ten or SEC.
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