Lloyd Christmas

Awesome. I love seeing a guy who can barely read get a degree. We need more people like him

Still have my doubts he has learned to read full sentences yet though. But that is good he went and completed that degree at least. Marshall was no genius, doesnt take away from Young. Coupla guys who might be as intelligent as jello. But good football players.

No doubt, I would be grateful for his efforts too. I am not trying to bother you about him at all. lol Again I was responding to scholz' comment about Marshall being stupid and still qualifying at OU. He brought it up, not me. Not my fault you take offense to my observation. It seems you are the one who missed the point here. Maybe you should pay more attention before getting triggered by someone who wasnt even talking to you.

Tell that to scholz who brought that up. I was just exclaiming my surprise how Young was able to survive academically after he brought up Marshall. And the fact that you dont like it only makes it better for me. Thanks.

Makes me wonder how Vince Young lasted more than 2 weeks in Austin.

It happens a lot more than you might care to admit.

Yep. Didnt care to. Dont think the acronym means enough to me to spend time trying to figure out what it is. I made it this long without knowing what it is, i'll be fine. Some matchups move the needle more than others. Acc is very viable actually, more so than the big 12 as of today IMO. But that's something I believe the big 12 can overcome much more likely than overcoming the ground they lost to the big 10 and sec. Unless miami and fsu pick things back up and get elite again, then i think we'd be harder pressed to be at their level. Considering they have two recent national championships against the sec champions. Really the only P5 conference with less juice than the Big 12 is the PAC 12. I said that osu is the 2nd best thing the big 12 has had in the last 10 years. But my point is that is still pretty relevant when you compare them to ok state of the gundy era, which started in 2005. Both florida and lsu have achieved significantly more success than Osu. And i was comparing Osu (a 2nd tier big 12 team) to the 2nd tier of teams of the sec, of which I believe florida and lsu are. Trying to compare the osu of the gundy era to the 2nd tier sec teams of the same time frame (starting in 2005). I was making the 10 year or roundabout decade time frame for the big 12 is dead argument. the argument of comparing our Ok state to the 2nd tier of sec teams is during gundy's tenure. And during that time both lsu and florida have won 1 or more national championships.

Maybe I missed the UNL memo because i have never heard of the acronym before. not trying to be 12 or a sock. Just being honest.

Sure it's nice to have all those wins. But my point is those weren't big wins, so without a lot of meaning. Boise state has won a ton of games since 2000, but they were mostly meaningless wins that didnt do a lot for their program. The fiesta bowl was huge though. The point is for osu very few big wins. It's nothing to get mad about, it is what it is. You couldn't even name the best 5 wins of the mullet's era. What's hilarious is the lack of big signature wins for osu, its mostly a bunch of conference victories while its reputation was in the gutter. A bunch of conference victories that only translated to one big 12 championship and 1 BCS victory in 12 seasons. Compared Osu's 1 conference championship and 1 bcs victory to Lsu- 2 national title appearances, 1 national championship, 1 bcs bowl win, and 2 sec championships. to florida having two national titles, and an additional bcs victory, and 6 visits to the sec championship game, I would say osu does not stand to compare equally to florida or lsu. georgia- had always been that 2nd tier team for a long time too. 1 playoff win, 1 bcs win and, 4 visits to the sec championship game, and 1 sec championship Mississippi- similar to them actually with the same number of bcs bowl wins except they completely embarrassed osu in the sugar bowl a few years ago. Sure they are cheating fucks too though, but i would say osu is maybe about what a mississippi is. Now that I think more about it mississippi state is more of a 3rd tier team in the sec. So maybe osu could be compared to a lower end 2nd tier sec team instead. And osu is the 2nd best thing the big 12 has had over the last 10 years.

YEah you will, the way texas is recruiting now its gonna get better on draft day. And OU is finally getting them too. It started after Riley's recruiting approaches took over for how Stoops did it. Those are the kind of guys the big 12 needs to win, because when the best the big 12 has to offer plays those guys, they dont tend to win all the time. We have to get back to getting those dogs we used all be getting in the early 00s. Money cant be all that matters. They'll make 100 million+ a year no matter what conference they are in. With all the money being spread around, everyone gets rich (well the universities, not like this money goes to any of us or the players). Talking a difference of a few million a year between this conference and that, when OU and UT both make north of 150 million in revenue. If its a money grab then get more competitive and get an even bigger tv contract.

Sec and Big 10 didnt lose a beat, we dropped off a while ago. You think we can make up nearly a decade of ground on them in a short time? I concede it can happen, but bama isnt going away, uga is recruiting like crazy. And so is ohio state, psu and michigan arent going away. Gonna be a tough road but we can. Uhh yeah. What are osu's best 5 wins of the gundy era? Let's see his two bedlam wins in 11 and 14? Uga in 09? Maybe the fiesta bowl vs stanford in '12? That's the best I can think of but maybe you can do better. So a total of 1 BCS win and 0 big 12 championship game wins. In fact, they lost to OU in a de facto ccg. Even with a bedlam loss in '11 they'd have still won the big 12 so it wasnt a terribly meaningful victory like the 2015 would have been. But you know what, no, it was a big time win for you guys. But how meaningful? It didnt secure anything you didnt already have except bragging rights. Yeah the sec has four more teams, but they have more quality depth at the 2nd tier and lower level teams. Their worst team last year was tennessee and i'm sure they would have pasted kansas. Though we did have some decent play in the mid level teeams this year. Glad you brought up FLorida. Florida hasnt done a lot since meyer left but they have played for the sec championship in 2015 and 2016 so they havent fallen off the face of the earth quite yet. They still recruit well too so they can rebound pretty quick unlike our basement dwellers who are there year after year never ruffling too many feathers. Yeah id say Osu and Tcu recently have been better than tenn, ark and s.carolina. Though usc did go 9-3 last year. But those arent sec 2nd tier teams. Those are like the third tier teams. Compare Osu and Tcu to the 2nd tier sec teams like Lsu, Mississippi or a msu on a year to year basis. historically i'd say georgia is a 2nd tier team too but last year they took it up a level. the sec is run by alabama and whoever the 2nd best team is that year.

Still dont know what it is.

Well at this point they have lost so much ground to the big 10 and sec, that the best they could do is get up to an even point with them. Yeah a decade ago the big 12 was great, in fact they had 3 top 5 teams in the big 12 south. we seemed to always have that third real good team to give us balance. Now it's just OU and occasionally a tcu or osu will win some games and give us a run for our money. When tx is back it will help but now the sec and big 10 have stellar top 2-3 teams and we will be lucky to be considered equal. We can do it i guess but it will take a lot of winning to earn that reputation back. right now we are the conference who had 0 teams in a year ago and sec got in two this year. We have to defeat this perception with real results

That's fine, i am not trying to change your opinion. But i have my concerns that elite recruits and nfl scouts arent on the same page with you in regard to that. Tell me you are cool with seeing a garbage pile like aggy getting recruits that should be in austin and norman by carrying the sec flag? It will be a fun non-con for sure, and Ou has a chance to win a bunch of games. And hey you never know, this could be the year that the sec has nobody in the playoffs.

Nothing is set in stone, but they certainly seem to want to leave after the GOR expires. Patient for 7 seasons sure from this point, but that doesnt account for having to be patient for the previous 8 seasons as well. That would be a total of 15 years of patience you are asking for. I dont know what UNL is. Cause I didnt just wake up today with this thought in my head. It's years in the making. Not obsessed at all. It's just an issue for which my opinion hasnt changed since the realignments of 2010. That's consistency.