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  1. my parents never thought the 40 acres was a bastion of evil until fox news started in '96 - by 9/11 they were fully programmed even though they were apolitical for the first 50+ years of their lives the turn of the century or 9/11, either fits the bill
  2. 070629 iphone released 080710 facebook released for iphone 081104 obama elected 110101 pinterest was at 40k users but doubling monthly 110101 twitter was ubiquitous but zero discussion about disinformation on social platforms 121106 obama re-elected 130415 boston marathon bombing is the catalyst for social-gone-wild which led to this study: https://www.science.org/content/article/fake-news-spreads-faster-true-news-twitter-thanks-people-not-bots all of this is separate from fox news which poisoned that end of the maga spectrum - they were already infested with brainworms before the 16 election the social bubonic plague was unleashed in the run-up to the 16 election and although there is no direct tie-in to the timeline it feels appropriate to post this because 2007 was the start of it all imma, your avatar is to blame you should feel bad
  3. the game was winnable even with the current low information landscape the midterms are winnable - if we get elections it's gonna take people willing to risk their lives and their livelihoods it needs to be 25-40 attractive well spoken people from the largest minority in their district at every level running against turnip
  4. we got out-socialed and lost 77-0 in the disinformation department /end bitching about dems
  5. we are starting to get texags-ish up in here; we need a resistance thread but i think we should hold off until a real "rebel alliance" shows itself.... this 50501 thing is cool but no messaging or strategy....... for example there is going to be a protest in irving on saturday.... at a park..... with 3 entrances and exits..... wanna bet maga irving police record every plate coming and going? https://www.buildtheresistance.org/50501 there was supposed to be a protest in austin today - any reports on local news?
  6. houston is going to need the dutch if we are still alive after 25 also, i had 2 dutch girlfriends back in the day and THEY FUCK AND GO HARD
  7. bbc.com Jeremy Bowen: Trump's Gaza plan won't happen, but it will have consequences Jeremy Bowen 6–7 minutes Jeremy Bowen International editor Watch: Trump says US could 'take over' Gaza and rebuild it Donald Trump's plan for the US to "take over" and "own" Gaza, resettling its population in the process, is not going to happen. It requires the co-operation of Arab states that have rejected it. They include Jordan and Egypt - countries that Trump wants to take in Gaza's Palestinians - and Saudi Arabia, which might be expected to foot the bill. Western allies of the US and Israel are also against the idea. Some - perhaps many - Palestinians in Gaza might be tempted to get out if they had the chance. But even if a million left, as many as 1.2m others would still be there. Presumably the United States - the new owners of Trump's "Riviera of the Middle East" - would have to use force to remove them. After America's catastrophic intervention in Iraq in 2003, that would be deeply unpopular in the US. It would be the final end of any lingering hope that a two-state solution was possible. That is the aspiration that a conflict more than a century old could be ended with the establishment of an independent Palestine alongside Israel. The Netanyahu government is adamantly against the idea, and over years of failed peace talks, "two states for two peoples" became an empty slogan. But it has been a central plank of US foreign policy since the early 1990s. The Trump plan would also violate international law. America's already threadbare assertions that it believes in a rules-based international order would dissolve. Russia's territorial ambitions in Ukraine and China's in Taiwan would be turbocharged. What will it mean for the region? Why worry about all that if it is not about to happen - at least not in the way Trump announced in Washington, watched by a grinning and clearly delighted Benjamin Netanyahu? The answer is that Trump's remarks, however outlandish, will have consequences. He is the president of the United States, the most powerful man in the world - no longer a reality TV host and political hopeful trying to grab headlines. Short-term, the disruption caused by his stunning announcement could weaken the fragile ceasefire in Gaza. One senior Arab source told me it could be its "death knell". The absence of a plan for Gaza's future governance is already a fault line in the agreement. Now Trump has provided one, and even if it does not come to pass, it presses very big buttons in the minds of Palestinians and Israelis. Reuters A family search for belongings amongst the rubble of their destroyed house, after returning to it amid a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, in Jabalia, northern Gaza Strip, January 30, 2025. Reuters It is estimated that two-thirds of Gaza's buildings were damaged or destroyed in the 15 months of war It will nourish the plans and dreams of ultra-nationalist Jewish extremists who believe all the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan river, and perhaps beyond, is a God-given Jewish possession. Their leaders are part of Netanyahu's government and keep him in power - and they're delighted. They want the Gaza war to resume with the longer-term objective of removing the Palestinians and replacing them with Jews. The finance minister Bezalel Smotrich said Trump had provided the answer to Gaza's future after the 7 October attacks. His statement said that "whoever committed the most terrible massacre on our land will find himself losing his land forever. Now we will act to finally bury, with God's help, the dangerous idea of a Palestinian state." Centrist opposition leaders in Israel have been less effusive, perhaps fearing trouble ahead, but have offered a polite welcome to the plan. Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups may feel the need to answer Trump with some kind of show of force against Israel. For Palestinians, the conflict with Israel is driven by dispossession and the memory of what they call al-Nakba, "the catastrophe". That was the exodus of Palestinians as Israel won its war for independence in 1948. Follow live updates Analysis: Trump's real-estate instincts clash with America First view BBC Verify: Can Trump really take ownership of Gaza? More than 700,000 Palestinians either fled or were forced from their homes by Israeli forces. All but a handful were never allowed back and Israel passed laws it still uses to confiscate their property. Now the fear will be that it is happening again. Many Palestinians already believed Israel was using the war against Hamas to destroy Gaza and expel the population. It is part of their accusation that Israel is committing genocide – and now they might believe Donald Trump is adding his weight to Israel's plans. What could be Trump's motivation? Just because Trump says something, that does not make it true or certain. His statements are often more like opening gambits in a real estate negotiation than expressions of the settled policy of the United States. Perhaps Trump is spreading some confusion while he works on another plan. He is said to crave the Nobel peace prize. Middle East peacemakers, even when they do not ultimately succeed, have a strong track record of winning it. As the world was digesting his Gaza announcement, he posted on his Truth Social platform his desire for a "verified nuclear peace agreement" with Iran. The Iranian regime denies it wants nuclear weapons but there has been an open debate in Tehran about whether they are now so threatened that they need the ultimate deterrent. For many years Netanyahu has wanted the US, with Israeli help, to destroy Iran's nuclear sites. Doing a deal with Iran was never part of his plan. During Trump's first term, Netanyahu waged a long and successful campaign to persuade him to pull the US out of the nuclear deal Barack Obama's administration signed with Iran. If Trump wanted to throw the Israeli hard-right something to keep them happy as he makes overtures to the Iranians, he has succeeded. But he has also created uncertainty and injected more instability into the world's most turbulent region.
  8. i thought you were talking about congress "working", i.e. not getting steamrolled i get it - you're saying working TOGETHER within congress - yeah - that was newt
  9. the fbi sued justice this afternoon the planet is laughing at turnip over gaza this orangutan has unleashed a disturbance in the force we might yet make it alive to the shoe on 30 august
  10. Republicans conflicted on Trump’s pitch to ‘own’ Gaza: ‘I thought we voted for America First’' https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/05/trump-gaza-republican-reaction Trump’s head-spinning pronouncement appeared to catch many Republican politicians off guard, including the North Carolina senator Thom Tillis. “There’s probably a couple of kinks in that Slinky, but I’ll have to look at the statement,” he said. “Obviously it’s not going to happen. I don’t know under what circumstance it would make sense, even for Israel. If Israel is asking for the US to come in and provide some assistance to ensure that Hamas can never do again what they did, I’m in. But us taking over seems like a bit of a stretch.”
  11. forced removal of populations is illegal under international law
  12. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gw89x8x11o The Palestinian president has said he strongly rejects President Donald Trump's proposal for the US to take over Gaza and permanently resettle the 2.1 million Palestinians living there. "We will not allow the rights of our people... to be infringed on," Mahmoud Abbas stressed, warning that Gaza was "an integral part of the State of Palestine" and forced displacement would be a serious violation of international law. Hamas, whose 15-month war with Israel has caused widespread devastation, said Trump's plan would "put oil on the fire" in the region. Arab states also rejected the idea, with Saudi Arabia reiterating it would not normalise ties with Israel without the establishment of a Palestinian state. Neighbouring Egypt, who had rejected Trump's suggestion last month that it and Jordan take in residents of Gaza, stressed the need for reconstruction "without moving the Palestinians". It comes two weeks after the start of a fragile ceasefire in Gaza, during which Hamas has released some Israeli hostages it is holding in exchange for Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails. The Israeli military launched a campaign to destroy Hamas in response to an unprecedented cross-border attack on 7 October 2023, in which about 1,200 people were killed and 251 were taken hostage. More than 47,540 people have been killed and 111,600 injured in Gaza since then, according to the territory's Hamas-run health ministry. Most of Gaza's population has also been displaced multiple times, almost 70% of buildings are estimated to be damaged or destroyed, the healthcare, water, sanitation and hygiene systems have collapsed, and there are shortages of food, fuel, medicine and shelter. President Trump's first major remarks on Middle East policy shattered decades of US thinking on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. He presented them at the White House on Tuesday night alongside visiting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. "The US will take over the Gaza Strip, and we will do a job with it too," he said. "We'll own it and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded bombs and other weapons on the site, level the site, and get rid of the destroyed buildings." Trump estimated that about 1.8 million Palestinians living in Gaza would have to be relocated to achieve his vision of creating "the Riviera of the Middle East", and said they would be housed in Jordan, Egypt and other countries. When asked whether the refugees would eventually be allowed to return, he said that "the world's people" would live in Gaza, before adding "also Palestinians". Trump also brushed aside previous objections from Jordan and Egypt's leaders to taking in refugees, insisting that they would eventually "open their hearts and will give us the kind of land that we need to get this done". Netanyahu said Trump's proposal could "change history" and was "worth paying attention to", adding: "This is the kind of thinking that will reshape the Middle East and bring peace." A unnamed senior Israeli official was also quoted as saying that Trump's ideas surpassed all his "expectations and dreams". However, the Palestinian leadership condemned the plan in a statement issued on Wednesday. "These calls represent a serious violation of international law," President Abbas said, adding that "peace and stability will not be achieved in the region without the establishment of a Palestinian state". Abbas leads Hamas rivals Fatah and governs parts of the Israeli-occupied West Bank. He declared that Palestinians would not "give up their land, rights, and sacred sites" and that "the Gaza Strip is an integral part of the land of the State of Palestine, along with the West Bank and East Jerusalem". Hamas - which is proscribed as a terrorist organisation by Israel, the US, the UK and other countries - said in a statement that Trump was "aiming for the United States to occupy the Gaza Strip". It warned that his proposal was "aggressive to our people and cause, won't serve stability in the region and will only put oil on the fire". Palestinians in Gaza also said the plan was completely out of the question. "We have endured nearly a year and a half of bombings and destruction, yet we remain in Gaza," one man told BBC Arabic. "We would rather die in Gaza than leave it. We will stay here until we rebuild it. Trump can do as he pleases, but we firmly reject his decisions." Under international law, attempts to forcibly transfer populations are strictly prohibited. Palestinians also fear a repeat of the "Nakba", or "catastrophe", when hundreds of thousands fled or were driven from their homes before and during the war that followed the creation of the State of Israel in 1948. Many of those refugees ended up in Gaza, where they and their descendants make up three quarters of the population. Another 900,000 registered refugees live in the West Bank, which Israel occupied in the 1967 Middle East war along with Gaza, while 3.4 million others live in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon, according to the UN. Israel unilaterally withdrew its troops and settlers from Gaza in 2005, though it retained control of its shared border, airspace and shoreline, giving it effective control of the movement of people and goods. The UN still regards Gaza as Israeli-occupied territory because of the level of control Israel has. Saudi Arabia's foreign ministry said the kingdom "unequivocally rejected" Trump's proposal for post-war Gaza and reiterated that it would continue its efforts to establish an independent Palestinian state and "not establish diplomatic relations with Israel without that". "Achieving lasting and just peace is impossible without the Palestinian people obtaining their legitimate rights," it added. Following talks in Cairo, Egyptian Foreign Minister Badr Abdelatty said he had agreed with Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Mohammed Mustafa on "the importance of moving forward with early recovery projects... without the Palestinians leaving the Gaza Strip, especially with their commitment to their land and refusal to leave it". Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan said the relocation of Palestinians from Gaza in any form was "unacceptable", adding: "It is absurd to even consider it." Western governments also expressed alarm about any forced displacement. France's foreign ministry said it would "constitute a serious violation of international law, an attack on the legitimate aspirations of the Palestinians, but also a major obstacle to the two-state solution and a major destabilising factor for our close partners Egypt and Jordan, as well as for the entire region". UK Foreign Secretary David Lammy said: "We've always been clear in our belief that we must seek two states. We must see Palestinians able to live and prosper in their homelands, in Gaza, in the West Bank."
  13. so the reality is there are 5.5m people without a home they won't fit in the gaza strip this is another topic to flood the zone with our reps turnip wants to reduce the deficit and slash and burn DC how much would this fantasy cost? 1 trillion? 2 trillion? the 2-state solution was happening until extremists on both sides fucked it up (..... ...... ......) PLEASE READ THIS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords the idiot dems should have launched a counterattack this morning with some flavor of the above but this one is tailor made for false-flag pretend-maga outrage calls to all reps at all levels
  14. risking futility to waste time typing on topic.... there are 3.5m palestinians already in jordan, lebanon and syria 750k palestinians fled in the 'nakba' of 1948 in the face of the first arab-israeli war - this was 80% of the population in the borders of what would become israel from 1948-1967 beiruit is (was and should be again) the riviera of the eastern med the entire world with the exception of the israelis is *LAUGHING* at turnip every nation worth quoting is saying a 2-state solution is the only solution
  15. all bodies recovered collision was at 325' https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/04/us/dc-plane-crash-recovery-tuesday-hnk/index.html
  16. watching you guys cut each other's throats armchair quarterbacking how WE all fucked up is painful it's on all of us everyone
  17. https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/03/politics/video/trump-canada-tariffs-pause-catherine-rampell-scott-jennings-digvid-tsr reposting this link to make sure everyone watches this clip from cnn aired about 45 minues after the dotard-trudeau call rampell is openly laughing at the trumpkin trying to wishcast a morel viktary
  18. https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/03/politics/video/trump-canada-tariffs-pause-catherine-rampell-scott-jennings-digvid-tsr
  19. so will he sign an eo declaring he spiked the football on both of our neighbors? please post comedy recaps of fox announcing 40000% achievement of 5-year plan in 2 weeks
  20. https://www.theringer.com/2025/02/02/nba/luka-doncic-trade-los-angeles-lakers-explained?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us apologies if already posted
  21. non-tariff insurrection speculation scary but not tariffy trudeau talked to turnip last hour, 2nd call today, no details yet https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-trump-speak-trade-war-1.7448805
  22. https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/reagan-airport-crash-live-updates-white-house-military/?id=118247845 11 sets of remains were recovered on saturday 55 now positively identified 64 were on the rj salvage continues today
  23. holy shit yo - turnip - we'll join up - but every province gets to be a state - so 2 senators plus critters apportioned normally - yeah - write it up
  24. this pretty much sums it up cuban owes this town a public apology and a public excoriation of the adelsons
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