TexasHooch

Luckily this trial won't have the same problem. Seems to be pretty diverse. https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/10/us/derek-chauvin-trial-jurors/index.html

Those brackets always crack me up. People take their sports following experience from 20 years ago then mash it up with their regional/conference bias and spit out a theory on the entire hierarchy of basketball.

Nice. What lake(s) did you cover?. I've done a fair amount of snowshoeing out of Ely. Winter camping is a different animal for sure, but I always appreciate experiencing an area I know really well from a different perspective.

I thought that's just the default shot when they're on recess.

I don't think the prior conviction in Houston will find its way in but there's a prior arrest (with video) here that might. To this point, the judge has only ruled that it could be released to the public. https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/10/16/924460503/judge-in-george-floyd-case-allows-video-of-prior-arrest-to-be-made-public

Soooo...... the trial.. Good write up here: https://www.startribune.com/reinstated-third-degree-murder-charge-against-chauvin-presents-opportunity-risks/600033216/ Interesting raised here, as illustrated my the mini pissing contest.

What is Derek Chauvin? (Using the present tense because he's not, you know, dead).

Not an attorney, but my guess is that if the answer is yes, it pretty much locks up the manslaughter conviction but doesn't get all the way there on murder. If the answer is that he didn't act outside of training (narrator: he did), then it helps the defense considerably.

Thanks for posting that. I think it pretty well illustrates what the defense is going to argue. That said, there are two things in particular in the video that pretty much destroyed all of it's credibility for me. 1) The caption on the Urban Dictionary definition of "hooping" is pure subterfuge. He was telling the cop that he played basketball earlier. He wasn't telling the guy that he stuffed drugs up his ass- which happens, but mostly for smuggling, not use. They didn't find any drugs up his ass, and he would have simply had no reason to have done it prior to his interaction with the police. And even if, why would he admit it. Pure bullshit. They had already asked if he had taken anything and he said no. 2) The picture of the restraint in the police manual clearly shows a knee to the shoulder, which is still instructed by some jurisdictions. Maybe MPD still teaches it that way (doubt it, but maybe), but they sure as hell don't tell officers to dig a knee in the neck and leave it there. It's also interesting to note that the training slide they showed in the video clearly states to move the person to the recovery position when cuffed to avoid positional asphyxia and guard against sudden cardiac arrest.

Oh that's definitely happening. There was the initial unrest, then the uptick in crime (cause the cops said fuck it), and now the pending doom. *As I was typing, just heard that the judge has decided to allow the 3rd degree murder charge.

Being on a jury is one thing. I don't fault anyone who thinks it would be a cool experience or is inspired by the idea of civic duty. This is something else entirely. You're (probably) going to be locked down for the duration of the trial and the whole damn world will be watching. No thanks.

Man, if I were a prospective juror I'd be doing everything I could (within reason and the law) to get sent home during selection. I can't imagine that there are actually people who are not just willing, but actually enthusiastic about the prospect of getting picked for this shitshow. No thanks.

I don't think either are her best, as much as I enjoy both. I'm just following the instructions of the OP. When I saw Point Break (not Blank) for the first time, 16 year-old me didn't say "man, I sure do appreciate the approach the director took here." When I saw Hurt Locker for the first time, I did, and it's made me seek out all of her work since as well as go back to the ones that came out when I was younger.

Wrong thread. Vacations are nice.

Yep. There's also the whole "Depraved Mind" language that isn't clearly defined. To me, 3rd Degree was written for out-of-their mind assholes who drive into a crowd, but whatever. For now, the Noor case is precedential, so they kicked it back on the grounds that the judge should have considered it. I think there's a fair chance that he says "OK, I've considered the Noor case as precedential, still doesn't fit". We'll see.

Could be a Covid thing or a special circumstance- not sure. The one time I got that far in voir dire we were questioned as a group in the box.

Fuck no it's not in the "manual". He was trained to stay off the neck and (most importantly) move the subject to a recovery (side or sitting) position as soon as he is secured in cuffs That's why the rookie cop he was with suggested it, because it had just been drilled into his brain in academy. Sadly he didn't have the balls to force the issue, but his time will come.

Kathryn Bigelow for the Hurt Locker. I've seen every movie since, and back tracked to watch/re-watch the movies she did before. She'll get my money every time, especially when it comes to military based movies.

Different Judicial Districts (4th vs 2nd). Though you've reminded me that the state AG's office is prosecuting this one, and not the county. Ramsey County prosecuted the other one. Yes. The jury pools are very similar. (Texans, think Dallas County vs Tarrant County).

It doesn't invalidate your greater point, but no it's not. This is Hennepin County, that was Ramsey.

Yep. That case did nothing to ease the tensions around here about police overreach for exactly the reason you cite. The fact that it was a black cop who killed a white woman only ensured that no one was really going to feel justice or vindication, regardless of the verdict. That was a fact that was accepted from the beginning. This case has none of the gray area that the Noor case did. There are no competing narratives in the eyes of those who (correctly in my opinion) see this as murder. There will be justice or there won't. I think people will accept any verdict that includes "murder" in the title, but manslaughter isn't going to cut it, even though I personally believe that's the most likely result.

In this case the 3rd Degree Murder charge was originally there but thrown out by this trial judge. They appealed it and won, so it's back in front of the same judge. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/appeals-court-reinstates-third-degree-murder-charge-against-ex-officer-n1259725

They don't even have the expectation of finding 12 people who haven't' seen it. From the article above: