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David Dennison

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  1. 1 minute ago, swraith said:

     


    I am not arguing with anything you point out here.

    Pelosi absolutely made the correct call to pass the Senate version in front of the holiday and avoid McConnell’s potential gloating.

    My point is she lost well in advance when the House didn’t get their funding version passed first. McConnell outflanked her on the timeline when the Senate moved the bipartisan bill to passage.

    I believe I recall past times when former Speaker Ryan passed bullshit legislation in the House and then adjourned the House. Then he basically told the Senate to pass the House version or to go to Fuck themselves. Maybe that didn’t happen and my memory is poor, but it is what I recall.

     

    Chuck Shumer and the Democrats did Nancy Pelosi no favors. 

    That sucks.

  2. 42 minutes ago, relapse98 said:

    It's not like they aren't already using the emergency rooms for common colds.

    Ie, they already are getting free health care. At least with the proposals it would be more cost efficient. Conservatives should be jumping on that train.

    This.

    It's like everything else. Do you want to pay on the front end and get them more cost efficient care, or do you want to be left holding the tab on the back end when they wind up in the emergency room?

  3. 5 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

    "somehow"

    i wonder what happened? 

    jesus fuck, it's not some huge fucking mystery.

    I wonder  . . . 

    You start out in 1954 by saying, "N*****, n*****, n*****." By 1968 you can't say "n*****" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "N*****, n*****."

  4. Just now, Enchubben said:

    Yea that’s gonna be a big no from me dawg. Based on the last two looney tunes democrats have given a microphone I’m gonna go out on a limb here and call bullshit.  

    No biggie though. I’m sure democrats will think of a new scandal you can jump on after trump gets re-elected.

    Two?

    LOL

  5. 1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

    Right, but he’s immune to meaningful political damage.  That’s winning in Trump’s book. 

    He's historically unpopular, he isn't expanding his electorate, and he's the underdog in his own re-election campaign. You won't know if he's immune to political damage until after the election.

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  6. Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

    You misunderstood what I was saying.  Trump loses all the time but he still wins because he fights.  That’s why his base stays with him, he’s always on offense.  He loses one battle just to start another and he keeps going.  The democrats look like they’re just standing there absorbing his bullshit.  It’s not effective. 

    The democrats need a wartime leader.  Someone that can map out a media attack plan over a month with contingencies.  This isn’t politics as usual anymore.  This is warfare and stakes are really high.  

    This is inaccurate. He's completely ineffectual as a president.

  7. 1 minute ago, Enchubben said:

    You crazy. Clearly they magically appeared when racist trump took office and couldn’t possibly have been the result of years of mismanagement of border and immigration policy.

    Donald Trump says, "Hold my Diet Coke."

  8. Just now, henrygandorf said:

    he’s always been for “medicare for all...who want it” and it’s always seemed like the most realistic to me, as far as something that could successfully be passed into law. 

    there’s just such an obvious counter to m4a for the millions happy with their current situation thru their companies. 

    Millions of people are moved off of their company's plans to Medicare every year with no problem. 

  9. 6 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

    Like I said they’re not fighting visibly enough.  The game has changed and they still haven’t caught up on how to go on offense.  You don’t even have to win, just fight.  Passing progressive bills is nice but we all know they’re headed to die in the Senate and none of that is drawing media attention.  That’s not changing anything other than some lip service credit claiming on the campaign trail.  

    If they want to know how to fight they could take a lesson from the Parkland kids or AOC.  Take an issue or two, get your taking points/messaging down, and work as a team to drive a national conversation in a certain direction.  Make a big stink about it, make the Republicans have to respond.  Anything to focus the country away from the bullshit coming out of the White House.  You have to deprive Trump of oxygen in the information space.  Otherwise he will keep walking all over you. 

    Man, you really don't understand inside the Beltway stuff.

    People who just fight and don't win are losers.

  10. On 6/26/2019 at 2:56 PM, RomaVicta said:

    My favorite example:

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    I didn't know if I wanted to vote for Dean, but having this moment disqualify is another point in time where my doubts about the electorate and the dull-minded media grew. At worst, this just should have become an amusing footnote. Maybe a goofy footnote.

    Idiot World.

     

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  11. 5 minutes ago, GSU&UT said:

    I'm sorry, how on earth is giving this admin more money going to improve the lives of these children which we agree is what Americans want? This is the argument, you're acting as if getting this bill across accomplished anything good in comparison to the bill that the majority of the House introduced earlier. You keep ignoring that last part, a better bill was introduced and of course McConnell didn't bring it up for a vote and instead rammed some watered down piece of shit because Pelosi got "promises" from Pence that he for sure will super-duper tell us when children die now.

    That bill was never going to pass the Senate. Everyone in Washington knew it. Once the Democrats in the House pulled their support for the House version, the game was over. 

    Democratic Senators didn't do Nancy Pelosi any favors by supporting the Senate bill.

  12. 2 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

    You fuck off first asshole.  Sorry to call out your inaccurate post, but facts are facts. How do you go thru the day without tripping over your own feet ?

    The question and answer was not edited.

  13. 2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

    The frustration with Pelosi isn’t necessarily on this specific issue.  It’s that she doesn’t fight hard for anything, and even if she fights behind the scenes, she’s not projecting that effort. 

    She takes her jabs at Trump here and there to distract from her shortcomings as a leader.   This recent decision wouldn’t be so bad if she was visibly fighting harder on other fronts like oversight or impeachment.  Instead of driving the media narratives she’s sitting back and responding to the narratives the republicans and progressives are pushing. 

    Because she's smart enough to know that nothing she does will ever result in removing Donald Trump from office before his term is up. 

  14. Just now, GSU&UT said:

    Good lord, one day is what people asked, just one day. That is what this is about, not some made up reason about the progressive caucus needing an absolutely perfect bill, just any time to debate the language in a bill that wasn't the one the majority of the House wanted earlier that the Senate didn't take up.

    The moderates convinced her one day or a week wasn't going to matter. They were not supporting changes to the Senate bill. That's why it got a vote.

  15. 2 minutes ago, GSU&UT said:

    So there was literally no way they could have pushed voting back at least 24 hours to negotiate the language in the bill? I heard interviews with multiple congress members who voted No that said they asked her to do so instead of just trying to GTFO as quickly as possible.

    Their votes aren't the votes that mattered. The moderates were not going to budge. The House bill was going to lose no matter what. No amount of negotiating with the left was going to change that. Nancy Pelosi realized that she had no choice but to put the Senate Bill on the floor.

  16. 2 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

    Do y'all not understand what was occuring on the floor?  She had 35 moderates who were going to vote with the GOP on the motion to recommit, no matter what. The Majority party was going to fucking LOSE a major floor vote.  Moreover, another pile of dems probably would have switched their votes once it became clear what was going to happen. 

    In the house, losing a high profile vote when you are in the majority is an absolute no-no. It's incredibly destructive to the moral of the majority and leads to open in fighting.  Like fistfights in the cloak room type stuff. It emboldens the minority.  The majority then has to respond by tightly restricting the rules of floor behaviour and taking away the autonomy of the individual members.  She DOES not want to do this.  This is how the GOP maintained control for years.  The members fucking hate it.  On both sides.  And if she did nothing, and refused to vote, you've got dead bodies on the news while McConnell gloats that he's passed a bill and is ready to help, it's SPeaker Pelosi's fault.   The truth is, there was NOT 218 votes for the the Majority bill.  It was a minoirty position.  I know that sucks if you are sympathetic to that view, but that's the reality.

    Spot on.

  17. 1 minute ago, GSU&UT said:

    Cool man, keep fucking that chicken and digging your heels in the sand while saying "change isn't possible." If you can't see that she's getting more and more pushback then you're being willfully ignorant. She's also agreed that she wouldn't have the Speaker role for more than 4 years so hopefully it will be a moot point.

    Of course it's possible. Someone has to challenge and beat her.

    No one in the Democratic caucus has shown an ability to do that. 

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