Ragnarok

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But we live in the present. And Christian nations no longer live in the dark ages. But that is the present for much of Islam.

Really, this is the most tiresome thing I hear. This is like equating a parent spanking their child with a parent raping their child. I guess the countries that legally strip women of their rights, and have the death penalty for blasphemy and homosexuality are just a myth. Somebody should tell Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen about that.

Well, I thought I was pretty clear. But this part of what I wrote is a reasonable summary: The percentage of "good" people who are Muslims is no higher or lower than anywhere else. But their religion is broken. Look at the governments of Muslim majority nations. Look at the problems facing every nation with large Muslim minorities. Why do you think America will be any different? No laws need to be changed. We just need to be very wary of Muslim immigration until we see change elsewhere. Islam is not only a religion; it is a political belief system. Church and State are intertwined.

FIFY

Hey, I've got an idea. How about we let the judge who decided that the kids had to be removed from the parents who were detained after 20 days legislate a solution. Better still, why don't we let all the kids stay with him.

Not sure where you got any of that from my posts, so no, it's not accurate. Probably the same place you got the 1st amendment is about freedom from religion.

Why do we bother having a Congress any more? Regardless of whether you like this or not (I don't), this should require legislation and funding.

Geez, you are tedious. Freedom from religion is still not part of the 1st amendment. The "joke" is that the left thinks it is. You are kinda proving my point.

Does being regarded run in the family? Quit obsessing about an offhand joke I made about freedom from religion. It had nothing to do with anything we were discussing.

t No, did you miss 1st grade and learning to read? 1st amendment's pretty short.

LOL, Yeah, I'm sticking with that. Freedom from religion isn't in there. You guys made it up.

No, the first amendment is fine. And freedom from religion is a lefty thing. . But it doesn't say who we have to let into our country. I'm not sure why we allow any immigration any more, but we should apply common sense to who we let in. I think President Trump has the right idea when it comes to Islam. When you see the problems it has caused in other countries, why do you think it will be different here? Freedom of religion is a great thing. I'd like to keep it. It doesn't exist in Muslim majority countries.

Well, I'm sure this is an exercise in futility. People like you are really a large part of the problem. You are so anxious to do your virtue-signaling thing and prove yourself open minded that you turn a blind eye to obvious truths, and the immense pain and suffering that Islam causes. What you lack is guts and a brain. The important thing to you is not that women all over the world are treated as second class citizens under Islam's boot, but that nobody think that you are a racist. Race has nothing to do with it. Islam is a religion. The percentage of "good" people who are Muslims is no higher or lower than anywhere else. But their religion is broken. Look at the governments of Muslim majority nations. Look at the problems facing every nation with large Muslim minorities. Why do you think America will be any different. Uf people in Scotland and Ireland were treating women the way they are treated in Egypt, Iran, and Saudia Arabia, you'd have no problem be outraged and organizing boycotts, and demanding we halt immigration from such odious countries. And I think you suffer from the soft bigotry of low expectations. We can expect Muslims to act civilized. And they are capable of it. But step 1 is for people like you to quit making excuses for them and exert pressure. Man up. Call a spade a spade. Here it is in the words of a woman who managed to escape the boot of Islam in Egypt. Recognize the truth when you see it: For 30 years, Nonie Darwish lived under sharia law as a Muslim in Egypt. After moving to the United States, she became a follower of Jesus Christ and quietly lived the American dream. Her latest book, Cruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implication of Islamic Law, dives into the history of sharia law and what it calls for, and examines the global campaign that aims to install the legal system in Western countries, including the United States. The following are excerpts from a recent Christian Post interview with Darwish. CP: .... What don't Westerners understand about sharia law and what do they need to understand about the dangers of imposing sharia in Pakistan? Darwish: Unfortunately, sharia - even in Muslim countries - is so against human nature that it has to be imposed by force because often it is rejected. So wherever you see sharia being practiced, it has always come and existed in that society through violence. So the same dynamic is happening in Western Europe now. Muslims always use the word "impose" sharia. They never say let's pass sharia, no, they say let's impose sharia. The word impose is used. It's very important to the West before they start considering sharia as a religious right for Muslims to know what it is. I don't believe that sharia is a religious right. The West must really define what is a religious right and one of the basics in my opinion is that it does not hurt non-members of that religion. You can have all the religious rights you want but if your right to practice your religion violates the human rights of other people then that ceases to be a religious right. Sharia law violates the human rights of women, of non-Muslims because it is part and parcel of sharia law to discriminate against non-Muslims. The commandment to do jihad is perhaps the centerpiece of Islam. It is not just the duty of a Muslim individual to do jihad, it is the duty of the Muslim head of state. According to sharia books and mainstream Islam, the definition of jihad is "to war against non-Muslims to establish the religion." So after 9/11 in America a lot of Muslims appeared on Western TV and said no the meaning of jihad does not mean violence, it means an inner struggle, self-analysis. But the truth is they are denying what the word jihad really means. Jihad 97 percent of the time when it is mentioned in the Quran it refers to violence, annihilation, subjugation, humiliation, [and] subdue. So the word jihad almost always comes in the context of aggression. If you read the Quran or Muslim scriptures, jihad is really the centerpiece of the ideology, which is the constant growth of Islam. In sharia books, it is one of the main jobs of Muslim heads of states to do offensive and aggressive jihad, especially against neighboring non-Muslim countries. That means the sovereignty of neighboring countries are not really respected by Islam. And that law can explain to us why the Arab conflicts exist. ............ Under sharia law, for a woman to prove that she has not committed adultery, she can only prove rape by having four male witnesses. So how can a woman prove rape? She can't. How can she get four male witnesses? So what happens is usually men who commit rape are either not proven or they will not get punished as much as she will get punished. Muslim countries range from extreme countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran, and then very moderate countries like Turkey, and all in between. But unfortunately, sharia can apply unofficially. So the beheading done in Saudi Arabia, or the stoning, can happen in Turkey unofficially by her family. So sharia can happen in a Muslim country or in a Muslim family in Europe. They can do honor killing. CP: You made an intriguing observation that Muslim woman living under sharia law are in an odd predicament because they are like prisoners who guard their own jail cells. Could you explain what you mean? Darwish: Islam gives no way out of the prison for women. For example, a woman can be beaten by her husband, she has no right for divorce, her testimony in court is half the value of the man, her inheritance is half what her brother gets, she cannot leave the house officially without her husband's permission, she cannot do anything without her husband's permission – she cannot leave the country. So the rights of a woman in the Muslim world is so so weak. Even if she gets raped, she is the one to blame. So in order for a woman to have some sort of dignity, she must act as radical if not even more radical than men. She must act as if she is the guardian of Islam, the guardian of her own prison. She becomes an advocate for obedience of women to Islam. She will actually report on girls who don't cover their heads. The predicament of women is it divides women. Women are not allowed to freely meet and very often men tell the wife that you can't befriend this woman. If a Muslim woman living in the Middle East, or even in the West, starts adopting activities such as joining a feminist movement she becomes an apostate immediately. And the punishment for apostasy is death. ....... There is nothing in the Middle East called moderate Muslim. You're either a Muslim or not. The problem is not so much the people but the ideology. Cultural Muslims are like sheep almost. They have to abide. They just want to survive. But anyone who takes Islam seriously and believes Islam seriously must follow sharia. That is the predicament. The [Jordan] queen can be a western minded woman, the King could be a moderate, peaceful man, but unfortunately the destiny of a country does not depend on honorable leaders who want to have peace. Muslim leaders who want to live in peace and reject jihad, they want to reject sharia, become apostates. And what happens to those leaders? Many of them get killed. And that is why if you listen to the Jordanian queen or king or whatever Muslim leader, they have to present moderation in a very diplomatic way or else they will become apostates and their life will be threatened. CP: How would you explain all the Muslim women living in the Middle East who are well treated by their husbands? Darwish: Women have adapted themselves to living knowing that men are the power in their lives. That does not mean that all Muslim women are walking slaves in chains. No. You know why some Muslim women are living a good life? There's one reason – their husbands are good people, they are humane people. But the reason why their husbands are good people is not because of Islam, it's because of their humanity. When I say that women don't have much rights because men have all the rights, it doesn't mean that all Muslim men are evil or bad. The majority of Muslim people are just human being - good and bad like everybody else. But I don't attribute the goodness between Muslim men and women towards each other to Islam. I attribute it to the humanity and observing the Judeo-Christian culture and emulating them. CP: You warn that American-born Muslim students are advocating for sharia laws to be imposed in the U.S. Many American's first reaction is that could never happen. Do you think it could happen, why? Darwish: Yes, and I'll tell you how that can happen. There is a French Algerian Muslim sociology professor by the name of Mohamed Sabaoui. He recently said the following in France, a western nation, a democracy: The laws of your Republic do not conform to those of the Koran, and should not be imposed on Muslims, who can only be governed by Sharia law. We are therefore going to seize the power that is our due. We will start in Roubaix, which is a town with a Muslim population of over 60% ... and the next mayor will be Muslim… we will declare Roubaix an independent Muslim enclave, and we will impose Sharia (the law of God) on all the inhabitants. We will declare Roubaix an independent Muslim enclave, and we will impose Sharia (the law of God) on all the inhabitants. The Christian minority will have the status of dhimmis [non-Muslims with fewer rights]. This will be a category in which you will be able to buy back your rights in exchange for a tax. Can you believe that this is being said today in France? As soon as Muslims congregate in one area and become a political power in that area, they will elect their own leaders. And as soon as they elect their own leaders they will say we will impose sharia law. That is how sharia can happen - by congregating in one area and they have a very high birth rate. Compared to western women, the Muslim women birth rate is about three times more. And it is just a matter of time and there are already cities in France that are 60 percent Muslim. In America it can happen, it is just a matter of time. It is just how fast they can congregate and extend their population in one area. CP: Is there anything you want to add? Darwish: Yes, I want to make sure that every American that feels hesitant or doubtful that it is not proper to criticize sharia Islamic law because it is a religious right to read my book or read about sharia on the internet. If you read about it you'll discover it is the most horrific and cruel law that was ever created on earth. And in order for sharia to gain legitimacy, to make people respect and abide by it, they had to link it to religion. But it was created 150 years after Mohammed died and also it was inspired by the Quran, the Hadiths and the lifestyle of Mohammed and it is really not a religion. It is really not a religion because it violates the rights of non-Muslims. It actually demands Muslims to kill non-Muslims. It is allowed. That is why we cannot consider it a religion. https://www.christianpost.com/news/interview-ex-muslim-woman-on-life-under-sharia-law-37992/

One part of the solution is to quit incentivizing people to bring children with them to the border, which is what we did before Obama de facto opened the border.

From another border patrol agent, who knows what he is talking about: http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/cnn-border-patrol-agent-speechless/ Baldwin then asked specifically about delays for asylum seekers. Chris Cabrera said bluntly, “We’ve had this situation going on for four years now. I don’t think you can necessarily blame it on one administration or another. It started under one and is continuing under another. It hasn’t been fixed and it needs to be fixed.” He continued, “Right now we have this beacon of, ‘We’ll leave the light on for you and let you come illegally into the country.’ If you’ve seen some of the stuff we’ve seen, you’d understand how important it is to have a tough stance to divert people from coming here.” Cabrera then bluntly told Baldwin some of the horrors he has seen. “When you see a 12-year-old girl with a plan B pill, her parents put her on birth control because they know getting violated is part of the journey, that’s a terrible way to live. When you see a 4-year-old girl traveling alone with just her parents phone number written across her shirt. We had a 9-year-old boy have heat stroke in front of us and die with no family around. That’s because we’re allowing people to take advantage of this system.”

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/border-patrol-official-on-zero-tolerance-we-created-this-situation-by-not-doing-anything/ “I know this is complicated for you and your team, but what people are talking about is cruel and inhuman behavior, is how it’s perceived,” said King. “Do you actually agree with this policy?” “I do agree that we have to do something. We created this situation by not doing anything,” Padilla said. “So what happened with zero tolerance is, we were exempting a population from the law. And what happens when you do that, it creates a draw for a certain group of people that rises to trends that become a crisis.” “I’m going to give you an example: Because we were releasing family units, May 2, just last month, we had a full-blown MS-13 (gang member) accompanied by his one-year-old child. He thought he was going get released into the community; that was not the case.” Good interview. It did not go as Gayle King planned.

Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen hit back on Sunday against “irresponsible and unproductive” misreporting by the media on the Trump administration’s border policies. “This misreporting by Members, press & advocacy groups must stop,” tweeted Nielsen. “It is irresponsible and unproductive. As I have said many times before, if you are seeking asylum for your family, there is no reason to break the law and illegally cross between ports of entry. You are not breaking the law by seeking asylum at a port of entry,” she continued. “For those seeking asylum at ports of entry, we have continued the policy from previous Administrations and will only separate if the child is in danger, there is no custodial relationship between ‘family’ members, or if the adult has broken a law.”

Yeah, that's why it's so rare for Sharia law to be implemented in Muslim majority nations. Moron.

It's not like we have to guess what life is like under a nation founded with conservative Christian values. And it's not like we have to guess what life is like in Muslim majority nations, where abuse and oppression of women is widespread. It takes a special kind of stupid to equate the two.

Well, when they take up FGM, honor killings, hijab wearing, and reduced rights under the law, I will.

I think you are confusing today's Southern Baptists with those democrat Southern Baptists of 50 years ago.

No, no, it's quite clear. You are for bringing in the adherents of a religion that discriminates against blacks and hispanics. Just like you are for bringing in Muslims, regardless of how the religion treats women. Instead of protesting a world where women have no rights, the left celebrates the boot on their throat, by backing events like World Hijab day, where woman show their solidarity for oppression by wearing the symbol of that oppression.

Well, at least you are honest and upfront about your racism.