lemonlime

I can't fucking wait for the tweets truth socials on the corrupt special master.

I live about 10 miles outside of NYC, but haven’t contributed much in recent years to this thread as I’m going in far less than I used to. Mainly because the bus that used to pick up 2 blocks from my house all but stopped running during covid and because I do a lot of outdoors stuff (hiking,biking, camping etc) and I’m more likely to be in the Hudson Valley or Adirondacks than the city on the weekend.

They're not even trying to hide that they're Nazis.

Eh, if that were true, they'd delay this. Trump gains nothing by having a decision on a stay reached right away.. The more time lapses, the more likely trump gets off. That they've asked for briefing right away is promising. But, we don't know who's on the panel yet. And even if the 11th grants a stay, fuck knows what Alito and Thomas et al will do.

I don't trust the 11th Circuit at all. But this is at least a somewhat promising sign in that they're certainly signaling they intend to decide on the stay very soon.

It's true that 62% of undocumented immigrants are visa overstays, as opposed to illegal border crossing. You can do the math on the racial differences between those two groups, or why the right only cares about the 38% of undocumented immigrants who crossed the border. https://cmsny.org/publications/essay-2017-undocumented-and-overstays/

Yes, but what you're not understanding is that they need to redact the note that says "document sent to Putin 2/1/21."

So instead of whataboutism, do you support DeSantis using taxpayer money to fly migrants living out of state across the country, and lying to them to coerce them to get on the plane? Is this okay with you? Be honest about supporting kidnapping. Or say something against it. But pick a side.

Um, trump lied about putting up a wall that Mexico paid for, and the wall magically became inoperative in January 2021. Or at least that's what happened in GQP fantasyland.

Hell, do you think any judge would rule that way for any other former president. You think if Obama stole hundreds of classified documents on his way out the door, any judge would've bent the law in this way?

Also the quotes of the "democrat cities" saying they're having a "hard time," other than the Republican governor of Massachusetts complaining about people being kidnapped into his state. Or that "democrat cities" have "few migrants," when for example Massachusetts has about the same amount per capita of undocumented immigrants as Florida. His entire post is a bunch of nonsense cobbled together into something approximating untrue sentences.

The documents marked "classified" couldn't possibly be subject to attorney client privilege. I think the executive privilege argument is off the wall too, but don't want to rehash again.

Sort of correctly. The classification argument is largely a red herring. That the documents are stamped "classified" is only important because it's obvious without any additional information needed that those documents belong to the federal government. Whether the documents actually were classified, or trump could have somehow declassified them, or they were misclassified doesn't really matter much. Trump is arguing he has a personal interest in the documents taken from his home. He couldn't possibly have a personal interest in something the government has labeled classified. Essentially, trump is arguing he has a personal interest in keeping government documents secret from the government, and the judge is saying that someone needs to look over the documents to figure out if trump somehow has a made up personal interest in keeping government documents from the government. And, yeah, it makes zero sense.

I'm sure there's no case cite, because noone has been stupid enough to argue this before. But the government's point in their stay motion isn't that the 100 documents (or whatever the number is) are classified. It's that there were hundreds (thousands?) of pages taken from mar a lago, some of which the executive before Biden occupied that office stamped as "classified." Trump took documents with this stamp, which we know by virtue of the stamp belong to the executive branch, and which the current executive wants back, and which the current executive, the owner of the documents, says have national security implications. And not that I'm giving Trump's idiotic declassification argument any weight, but it wouldn't matter at all if it were true. These are still documents belonging to the executive. And we know they are because the executive branch put markings on them, marking them as "classified." And the marking signifies that they contain national security information. And now the executive wants the documents it marked back. The documents don't belong to trump. He isn't king, despite his and Cannon's delusions.

Even if he somehow magically declassified, an absurdity that even his own lawyers don't argue, it doesn't matter. There is zero rationale to have a special master review documents that executive branch of the government wants back for national security reasons, regardless of their classification status. The former executive doesn't have the right to hide national security documents from the current executive. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

So since they've faced worse, we should be able to do whatever isn't as bad as what Maduro's done or what they've already faced at the border. WTF? The metric on whether we're a just society is whether we're a failed state with a severe food shortage? Also, these people were kidnapped. How the fuck isn't it dangerous to allow governors to kidnap people living in other states and transport them to whereever the hell they want? Never mind that MV does not have social services for these people, and almost the entirety of its jobs are in tourism which is essentially closed for the next eight months.

They should move fast with the national security implications of this decision, and hear the case next week. That said, I have less than zero faith in the federal judiciary right now. And assuming, DOJ win at the 11th Circuit, and they should. Cannon got a no brainer decision wrong because she's in the bag for trump. Trump will appeal to SCOTUS, and I have even less faith about what Kav, Alito, Gorsuch, Thomas, and Aunt Lydia will do.

Nope this is fascistic. The Holocaust started with first dehumanizing Jews, then transporting them away from their homes into ghettos.

When you're worse than the Louisiana White Citizens' Council, who at least didn't kidnap the people they dehumanized, maybe you should do some soul searching. Alas...

They didn't even tell them where they were going. And they got sent to an island with few social services, that essentially closes down in September once the tourist season is over. There are just about no jobs there over the winter. So the people of Massachusetts now will have to pay for their relocation. It's sociopathic. But I guess they're owning the libs, so there's that.

DeSantis is a sociopath. There's no way to retaliate, because these are human beings not political props.

Virtue signaling lib.

Not sure where this goes, although DeSantis has taken "credit" for doing this. I'm mostly just sad. That putting 2 year olds on a plane across the country with no warning, no telling them where they're going, or even letting people at the destination know, is applauded by a lot of the country. I just keep going back to my father teaching me that a society is based on how it treats those with the least among us. And the right today mocks the "elite" and the libs, but they're actually taking care of these Venezuelan immigrants, many of whom are young children, while the Floridians are pieces of shit reveling in their cruelty.