lemonlime

Yup, they can appeal. And if law wasn't calvin ball, they should appeal. This should have been a no brainer decision for the government. But what happens if they take it to the Eleventh Circuit, and then Thomas gets involved (he oversees emergent applications for the 11th), and what Alito, Gorsuch, Kav, Thomas, and Barrett do with this, wouldn't make me hold my breath on a rational, correct outcome.

Yeah. The no wifi in the courthouse was a tell. The judge is going to do something indefensible and doesn't want scrutiny. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised as trump's arguments are so bananas, no one who's not a full on Kool Aid drinker would buy them. But I'm not holding my breath.

They turned off wifi in the courthouse. We probably won't hear anything until after the hearing's over.

I'm not sure what you're saying. Attorney client privilege belongs to the client, not the attorney. Only trump can waive the privilege. The privilege also only applies to communications regarding legal advice. Her spouting off on tv about the criminal case would never be subject to attorney client privilege. Nor would her witnessing crimes her client was committing. She presumably is providing (bad) legal advice in the NY AG case, and her conversations with trump about that case are privileged unless trump talks about them, which maybe he's stupid enough to do.

There's still attorney client privilege. She may be disqualified from representing him, however, as she's now almost certainly a witness in the criminal case against him. There's nothing privileged about who she saw entering his office at mar a lago, where he kept classified documents lying about. If the FBI hasn't talked to her yet, I'm sure they will be now.

If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell.

Really. The only things he understands are greed and his own ego. And he’s spent an entire lifetime committing crimes and getting away with them. And I doubt he knows how to read a coloring book, never mind State secrets. He took the papers with intent to sell them. I’m just not certain if it’s been proven that he did in fact sell them.

Or they could have searched for the documents themselves, once it was clear that trump along with his legal team was obstructed. If trump didn't want to submit a real certification, I'm not sure why it's on the FBI to ask trump's attorneys to do their job.

Agreed on perjury. But she signed a certification to mislead the FBI about national security crimes her client committed. She either helped him commit those crimes and/or helped him cover them up with this certification. Someone, either Bobb, or Trump, or both, attempted to mislead the FBI about national security information. Either way she should be fucked from a legal standpoint. Whether she actually is with a trump appointed judiciary, who the fuck knows.

Who the fuck knows in this instance, it's so far outside the realm of normal lawyer. Hell, I wouldn't be shocked if the trump appointed judge appointed rudy giuliani to be the special master, and the Supreme Court threw out the entire case on some made up grounds. Without knowing the specifics of this case, it's hard to know the consequences. But at best for Bobb, she is disqualified from representing trump because she's now a witness to his lies in the ongoing case. She may also be charged as a coconspirator if she signed that certification knowing that trump was hiding sensitive national security documents. I imagine if she engaged in espionage she would be disbarred; I mean she did take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution.

And no reasonable lawyer would sign that certification. As to the second point, if something is missing from the production, the lawyer is probably disqualified from representing her client. It's not in the client's best interest to have a lawyer sign the certification unless the client wants to risk having to find a new lawyer. The lawyer is now a witness as to possible tampering with or hiding of evidence. Even in a totally normal scenario, with good faith actors, there are sometimes documents that are inadvertently not produced, say the client diligently searched for documents but forgot that a small subset of documents relating to x are kept at an offsite facility. If the lawyer signs that certification, the lawyer is now a witness against her client as to why a false certification was submitted. Did someone do a bad job searching? Was something destroyed? Did someone lie to the lawyer? And that's with good faith actors. I can't imagine the idiocy of Bobb signing this certification.

I wouldn't take that bet. Sex. No way anyone slept with that orange blob without upfront payment, or at least upfront payment to Jeffrey Epstein.

That's offensive to 10 year olds. They have basic understanding of why bullying and lying is wrong. I wouldn't go beyond age 2.

I haven't kept the saga of the trump lawyers straight. But is Christina Bobb still representing him? Because she's clearly disqualified now as she's either a coconspirator to obstruction of justice or at best (for her) a witness against her client for obstruction of justice and espionage.

No. I've never seen a lawyer sign a document as the "custodian of records" in the first instance. That's just odd. And I have never signed off on whether complete documents have been produced--my client does that. And that's for legitimate organizations who aren't criming all over the place headed by pathological liars. First, I would never certify to anything I don't have personal knowledge of. I have no way of knowing whether a complete response has been produced. Someone who works with those records specifically and has actual knowledge that complete records were produced has to sign off. Second, if there was something not produced, and in my case it would almost certainly be an inadvertent error and not something like trump is doing, it would turn me into a witness against my own client. I would have to testify as to why I signed off on completeness when it wasn't complete, whether I lied, who misled me, etc.

So was the reporting wrong that trump's lawyer signed the certification that the subpoena was complied with? This was signed by the "custodian of records," which shouldn't be the lawyer. Although these are the same geniuses who filed the brilliant motion for a special master, so who the fuck knows.

Notwithstanding counsel’s representation on June 3, 2022, that materials from the White House were only located in the Storage Room, classified documents were found in both the Storage Room and in the former President’s office. Moreover, the search cast serious doubt on the claim in the certification (and now in the Motion) that there had been “a diligent search” for records responsive to the grand jury subpoena. In the storage room alone, FBI agents found 76 documents bearing classification markings. All of the classified documents seized in the August 8 search have been segregated from the rest of the seized documents and are being separately maintained and stored in accordance with appropriate procedures for handling and storing classified information. That the FBI, in a matter of hours, recovered twice as many documents with classification markings as the “diligent search” that the former President’s counsel and other representatives had weeks to perform calls into serious question the representations made in the June 3 certification and casts doubt on the extent of cooperation in this matter.

We could go back to the prior six years of trump threads, and the number of posts about the latest tweet being unhinged, scared, etc. He's a blob of incoherent rage and has been for years, if not his whole life. Heather Heyer says hi. Also the Maryland Capital Gazzete shooting of journalists.

To slow things down until the GQP retakes the House in January and defunds the investigation.

This. I've been seeing tons of frivolous filings baselessly accusing people of misconduct. Just shit flinging everywhere, and acting like this is a normal part of litigation, and then reveling in their shit flinging. And then acting surprised when the other side is fed up with you.

Would the warrant execution team be looking at every document? Would they even necessarily have had clearance to do so if there were for example nuclear secrets in those documents? I’m not sure if the answers, but if trump stored 11 boxes worth of government documents along with some of his personal crap, couldn’t the personal stuff including passports been inadvertently boxed up given that there were 11 boxes of documents that hadn’t been reviewed yet.

I don’t care about the passport. It’s a sideshow. I care that dotard was storing highly classified documents with his personal crap. And that maybe he was giving those highly classified documents to foreign adversaries. Perhaps why he had his passport with them. The rest is an irrelevant sideshow to detract from a former so called presidents selling out the nation and fomenting violence

I always love representing clients who lie so much I wouldn’t believe them if they said the sky was blue and also don’t pay their bills.