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Yeah, but you may be able to get your boat. Which is more important than the death of our country.

Why do you think the Oakley wearing, roided up, trumpy local cops are going to arrest any of these white nationalist fucksticks who they agree with?

Add in all of law enforcement (except maybe the FBI) and most of the military, excepting senior officers, and it's really no stretch at all. Edit to add, and also a majority of state legislatures and local governments.

In other news,

They will double down on supporting trump. To do otherwise they’d have to admit that the were conned for years by a vile and obvious grifter.

New Paltz, NY. About an hour from NYC. Blue, hippie, college town in the Shawagunk range with beautiful hiking and a rail trail for biking that runs through the town and into the mountains. Very near other hiking (Catskills, Harriman, Adirondacks) and bike paths and skiing. No real elevation, despite being in some smaller mountains. Four seasons, but even the winters aren't too extreme, though there's some snow/cold.

I highly doubt they executed a search warrant on an ex-president over some missing papers. He also reportedly returned the boxes. I strongly suspect he either didn’t return everything or made illegal copies of top secret materials. And that the search warrant is with respect to something he did with the documents after he stole them and not do much the theft itself.

Oh, to be clear I still think nothing will happen, other than maybe hastening the next civil war. TFG committed treason on live tv on more than one occasion with no consequences. He could shoot an army of nuns walking down Fifth Avenue draped in the American flag and nothing would happen to him. But if he was selling documents that would explain the timing of the search warrant many months after finding out he stole documents from the National Archives.

Maybe that too. But I'm sticking with "sold." Everything he does is for money. He took those documents for one of two reasons: to cover up his crimes, in which case they wound up in his shitter, or to make money from them.

If I had to place a bet on what happened, it would be that trump recently sold classified info that was part of what he stole in 2021.

While I'm firmly on the ledge, I can't imagine the FBI, with a trump appointed director, and a federal judge, signed off on something this politically sensitive unless they knew they had the goods. I'm not saying this goes anywhere. I firmly expect the GQP to "win" back the House and stop funding the DOJ or something like that. But I bet the search turned up evidence of crimes.

Damn. She was such a huge part of my childhood. And I was lucky enough to see her in concert a few years ago. She still sounded the same as in the 80s.

If you want a nice cliff notes on who's racist on this board, check out the first few pages of this thread.

Why are you stunned? These are the same people who think we should buy Greenland, you should drink Clorox to prevent Covid, and windmills cause cancer. And now they're making medical decisions for the rest of us.

Another saving grace on this is that CT is a great state for plaintiffs in general. Punitives may be capped, but I'm not sure there's a better state in the country to bring a suit, at least for compensatory damages. Jury verdicts and settlements there tend to be very high.

Why would the J6 Commission not learn of the phone copy? I'm not suggesting he should have destroyed the phone copy. Or kept it secret. Or left any of it to Raynal or Jones. Just that perhaps it shouldn't have been revealed as a gotcha moment in the middle of trial. I think he got caught up in the publicity, and maybe could have done a better job. But coulda woulda shoulda. I'm more disturbed by all the people fine with throwing out privilege because Jones is a bad guy. It's like the people who argue we should have punitive bail amounts because someone out on bail ran people over with a car. Making policy decisions based on how the worst of the worst act is not helpful to anyone. And no I don't think those 2 hold outs would have changed. I do question what quantum of damages the other 10 would have assessed had there been different trial tactics. And I'm not sure what direction that goes in, but I'm floored by the same people yelling about what a travesty the low jury verdict was praising the plaintiff counsel a few posts later for questionable tactics.

Plaintiff's asked for $150M, and got $4.1M. I'm not sure why the dichotomy is between "getting the gimp" or being a "good collegial gentleman" or the assumption that "getting the gimp" helped Bankston's clients. They right now got their clients a small fraction of the damages they asked for, in what should have been a slam dunk case, in which the defendant had already been found liable. And they may have provided Jones grounds for appeal to get rid of even that $4.1M verdict. But, they got a lot of tweets about the "Perry Mason Moment" and 5 minutes of fame for the attorney. And, to be clear, had Bankston gone to the court with the phone first, the text messages he cross examined Jones about would have still been available for cross examination. It was discoverable information that should have been disclosed months earlier. Hell, he might even have obtained more cross examination material because he likely wouldn't have even had to have waited 10 days to look at the contents of the phone, leaving himself 2 days to review a shit ton of information. He would have only lost his dramatic moment ripped from an LA Law script.

Right. But there was nothing privileged in the emails Bankston obtained. He could have impeached Jones on them regardless. It would have been less of a surprise gotcha moment. But it would have happened. When one side is a clown car, the best litigation strategy is to come across as sober, serious, and respectful of the law.

I'm also not sure as I think on it more that Bankston didn't do a disservice to his clients by playing it a little loose with the rules. It's not like they got a huge verdict. Does anyone really think the jury verdict would have been even less had Bankston not had his Perry Mason moment? When one side is filled with clowns, the best litigation strategy is to be the grown up in the room, and come across as ethical and in the right. Instead, we people playing games on both sides, albeit one side a helluva lost worse games. Bankston could have applied to the court, seeking sanctions for Raynal hiding the phone and raising the privilege issue with the judge, and he still could have gotten the moment of cross of Jones where he caught him in lies, but without the pointless showboating.

This. Regardless of whether Reynal shit the bed, and he obviously did, Bankston has his own ethical obligations. This is an extreme case with egregious actors on the defense side, but horrible policy in general to not be really careful if you ever get anything that may be privileged. Hell, even here, regardless of the fact that Jones isn't even getting his just desserts no matter what, Bankston apparently improperly received confidential medical information belonging to other Sandy Hook parents, and god knows what else was on the phone.

Doesn't the jury also have to be unanimous in the punitive award? So that they only got 10 for the $4M doesn't seem like a great omen.

No. There are still punitive damages.

Is that sufficient for Reynal to say he was clawing it back?