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College football was always about money and never ever about education. π Major College Football Money or Eligibility Scandals of the 19th Century 1. The 1893 HarvardβYale Eligibility Controversy What happened: The βBig Gameβ between Harvard and Yale in 1893 was canceled over disputes about player eligibility and professionalism. Both schools accused the other of using non-students or players with financial ties to athletics (essentially, βringersβ). Significance: This dispute foreshadowed the larger fight over amateurism and whether athletes were being paid under the table. 2. The 1896 University of Chicago βStaggβs Protegesβ Accusations What happened: Critics accused legendary coach Amos Alonzo Stagg of offering financial incentivesβsuch as scholarships and jobsβto players, which was considered improper under early amateur rules. Significance: Though mild by modern standards, this was one of the first public debates about financial aid for athletes. 3. The βTramp Athletesβ and βRingerβ Scandals (1880sβ1890s) What happened: Throughout the 1880s and 1890s, many schoolsβespecially in the Midwest and Southβwere caught hiring non-students or recent graduates to play under aliases or temporary enrollment. Examples: University of Kentucky (then Kentucky State College) and Centre College were accused of using ringers. Kansas and Missouri were both caught using βtramp athletesβ who hopped from school to school for pay. Significance: These scandals led directly to the formation of the Western Conference (now the Big Ten) in 1895 to regulate eligibility and prevent professionalism. 4. The 1898β1899 Yale βSecret Fundβ Allegations What happened: Rumors circulated that Yale alumni maintained a βslush fundβ to support athletes with jobs and tuition aid. Significance: Though never fully proven, it reflected growing concern that elite programs were circumventing amateur rules with money from wealthy boosters. 6. The 1890s βSouthern Pay-for-Playβ Incidents What happened: Several early Southern programs (notably Georgia, Auburn, and North Carolina) were rumored to offer cash or βexpensesβ to attract athletes. Example: In 1892, Georgia Tech allegedly paid a player from another school to compete against Georgiaβone of the first recorded pay-for-play instances in the South. Significance: Exposed how competitive pressure quickly corrupted βamateurβ ideals in the region.
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Agreed. I'd rather have his lower-rated, but really smart and coachable players* to the five-star morons who permeate college football. His QB is a prime example. He doesn't have the biggest arm or real speed, but he plays smart and protects the ball. But the player who truly amazed me was their backup WR, Charlie Becker. He made incredible catch after incredible catch. *Of course, you have to have smart coaches to coach the coachable players, and there aren't too many coaches like Cignetti.
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Those are two good ones, for sure, since they were not traditional powers. Bob Stoops is another with a similar impact at OU, winning the NC in his second year, but they were formerly a powerhouse program, so it's not the same.
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Of course the coaching is the difference, but still, how is their incredible transformation even possible? Itβs not like this was a great program w great players that just needed a coaching change. Canβt think of another program that is parallel to their rise but there may be a few.
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How many fanbases (including ours) are asking themselves today how Indiana managed to create such a great program in less than two years? They brought in a bunch of unknown transfer players and when I watch them, I am amazed. They swarm the ball carrier, they protect the passer, they are really fundamentally sound and they win! Yesterday, they had a backup WR making amazing catches throughout the game. A no-name white-guy backup who looked like Randy Moss. So happy for them but the hell.
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Do you understand that there is a difference between losers who look for sympathy for being marginalized, gender-shamed, fat-shamed, etc, and people suffering from serious mental health issues due to things they canβt control like their physiological makeup and social conditions like rape, war veterans w PTSD, and more?
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I think what @Derka is saying is that there is a huge gulf of understanding between people who suffer from depression/mental illness and those who don't, unless you experience it yourself. For people like me who don't understand, we categorize it as "having the blues," or claim it will go away once you solve the problem, or reaching out should be enough to prevent a suicide. I'm sure many a person has been saved by someone caring, but there seems to be a large group of people who are immune to any effort to save them. My friend's son ultimately was.
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The 'wait a while and problems will get better' idea may be irrelevant for people who have serious mental health issues. Problems aren't necessarily the issue. Some people are chemically predisposed to kill themselves and you can only prevent it from happening for so long. My best friend lost her son to suicide. He had a great life. They were totally blindsided.
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Bye Week Fodder- Texas' Historic Game Recommendations
TreatyOak replied to Sir Ulrich's topic in Football
Since this is a Bye Week, I'm putting this here. We have a custom clothes maker in East Austin who creates suits for a large number of current and former Longhorns and other athletes. The place is sotoandco.com The clothes are nice. While I was there, M.J. McFarland came in. I think he sells real estate in Austin now. Great space in a container building and check out some of the clientele: -
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Fair point. Aside from his 177.8 rating, his 71.1% completion percentage, 365 passing yards and 3 touchdown passes plus his long touchdown run, he didn't do anything. Glad you cleared that up.
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He had pretty good numbers considering we sacked him six times. Also, their defense sucks.
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I like Diego Pavia. He is a tough-nosed baller and keeps plays alive with his feet and throws really well on the run. How many times did he get past our linemen when other QB's would have been caught? He's the kind of person you don't want to be competing with at your first big job when you are in your twenties, unless you were really, really determined and don't waste your nights partying w your friends, 'cause he's gonna be grinding away. I'm happy someone like him, who has had a tough road, is having success.
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Go get your free Hat Creek cheeseburger now til 5pm.
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Looks like we're gonna get some free cheeseburgers from 3-5pm at Hat Creek.
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Okay, a little bird told me the following and this bird never tells lies: Hat Creek Burger Company is calling the play for Texas fans this weekend with a game-day offer. If the Horns beat Vandy on Saturday, Nov. 1, Hat Creek will reward fans with a free Cheeseburger from 3β5 p.m. at all 26 locations statewide β no purchase necessary.
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"According to reports, the IRS filed an $8,218,211 federal income tax lien against Rozier in November 2023. This news came to light around the same time he was arrested and indicted on federal charges of conspiracy to commit wire fraud and money laundering in connection with an illegal sports betting scheme. Rozier's attorney, Jim Trusty, has disputed the amount, stating that Rozier only owed $9,000 of the total 2021 taxes, which has since been paid, and that they are working with the IRS to have the lien removed. The timing of the tax lien has led to speculation that the alleged gambling scheme, in which Rozier is accused of manipulating his performance in a game to profit from prop bets, may have been a way to pay off the substantial tax debt." According to reports, there is no record of the tax lien coming off the books, so Rozier's lawyer is probably just blowing smoke. If this is true, and it sure looks like it is, perhaps Rozier's scam was because of a huge tax debt and this is not mob-related. And get out your popcorn cause Adam Silver has to testify in front of congress in two weeks about why they didn't find any cheating by Rozier, haha.
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Hey, I'm already in a lot of trouble on this site for my posts, and maybe for some money that has gone missing, so if we could keep this quiet and don't alert Immamac to this latest post, that would be really, really great. Thanks for your discretion.
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Haha. Texas would beat Vanderbilt and Vandergrift.
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