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I'm genuinely surprised he is still alive. Doesn't sound like he's learned too much since his reign of terror at UT. I wonder if there was a scene of Mack chewing the fuck out of the recruiting person who brought him in. Mack had to apologize in public on behalf of the football team, haha. I bet there was hell to pay for plenty of guys. "I would like to apologize from our staff, players, and our coaches to the administration of The University of Texas, the athletic department, the student body, and our fans for the incidents that have happened this summer. It is something that we are not proud of, but I can promise you it is also not indicative of who this team really is. This team is as good a group of young men that we have ever coached, and they will continue to move forward after today and prove that on and off the field. At a time where we have had extra things happen outside of football that we are not proud of, I want to make sure that everyone understands that there are so many more young men on this team that will have the opportunity to show their class as well."
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Is this a clue that Andre Jones was actually innocent and a victim of mistaken identity ,as he always claimed? "The Austin American-Statesman reported that police may have actually been seeking James Henry back in July when they arrested Andre Jones. When Robert Joseph was arrested, police said they were "police are still looking for a black man, described as 6-2 and weighing more than 220 pounds".[17] One week later they arrested Jones, who was 6-foot-5 and 295 pounds. The Austin American-Statesman reported "That discrepancy led to some questions about possible mistaken identity regarding Jones in the days after his arrest. Now it appears that police were looking for Henry, who was listed at 6-foot-2 and 200 pounds."[17] Henry had been questioned and released on the day of the robbery.[17]"
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Not sure. I can't find any updates on him. Amazingly, he was chased out of a car he was trying to steal by an Austin policeman/security guard, then ran into another car he then attempted to steal. Say what you want, but dude was committed. Amazingly, after all the trouble he got in at UT, Texas Southern offered him a slot. Joseph already had two juvenile misdemeanors on his record when he arrived at Texas in 2006. He played as a freshman but was suspended from the team after he was arrested in June 2007 for burglarizing cars at an Austin hotel parking lot, a Class A misdemeanor. Less than a month later, after announcing he would leave Texas and transfer to another school, he was charged in July 2007 with aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon. Police said Joseph held a gun to the residents of an Austin apartment, including a 14-year-old, as he and teammate Andre Jones of El Paso took cash, cellular phones, a laptop and video game equipment. A third player was charged with retaliation and tampering with evidence.
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You guys have shared a lot of great stories and names, but I want to see if anyone can top the Dre Jones story for sheer sadness. He was allegedly the first 5-star player to ever come out of El Paso and was ready to help the Longhorns reload for the 2007 season. By all reports, he was a top student in HS and the 3rd ranked DT in the country. Somehow, impossibly, during fall camp, he is implicated in an apartment robbery along with the infamous Robert Joseph. According to the Statesman, "Jones and Joseph stole cash, cellphones and video game equipment from the residents, according to court documents." Although he always claimed he wasn't at the scene of the crime, (see the Johntay Cook thread for more on this) he was unable to clear his name, pleaded guilty, served 30 days, and never played a down for the University of Texas. This was the summer of 'Book 'Em Horns', with seven players getting arrested. “There’s no doubt that he hooked up with the wrong crowd,” Payan said. “After (the arrest), he started to spiral out of control.” Payan said Jones, who was no longer allowed to stay in the on-campus dormitory, had to “live out of his car. … It wasn’t a good situation for him. Payan said he had very little contact with Jones after the player moved back to El Paso in the summer of 2008. Jones, stripped of his athletic scholarship and possible bright future in college football, did not make a smooth transition back to his hometown. “I always considered Andre mature for his age,” said Vanessa Burchett, who had known Jones since both were freshmen at Andress. “But I think being in Austin — a big city where he didn’t know anybody — he started hanging out with guys older than him. He wanted to be part of the crowd. In El Paso, he always stood out.” He tried to play at UTEP, but was struck by a car and tore his knee ligaments. After a brief stint at Tarleton State, it was a steady downhill of drugs and depression. He was arrested for crack and cocaine possession in 2012. “Andre would go on binges for months to smoke weed,” O’Neal said. “I’d ask him, ‘What are you doing? You don’t have the heart to take this.’ ” On Aug. 17, 2012, Jones was arrested; El Paso police said they found 34 grams of crack cocaine in small bags in a bedroom at his home. The case was dismissed last April. Sepkowitz and Meitler ( his former coaches) said Jones, a regular at the Andress field house while in high school, never sought their guidance after he returned from Austin. Meitler said Jones might have been “too embarrassed” to approach them after losing his opportunity to play for the Longhorns. In 2014, he died of an overdose at age 24.
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Being local to Austin, I was excited about Burnette. While only a three star, I was glad we got him, and his strange fall was epically stunning. His pernicious fall fits into my personal bucket of players I was most disappointed about when they failed and it was more impactful for me than any of the 2010-2020 disappointments.
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One great non-Texas edition: Tate Martell: From commitments to University of Washington, Texas A&M, then playing at Ohio State, Miami, and finally UNLV, Martell never reached his expectations and never made much of an impact, and really didn't even play that much. He was definitely a "peaked in HS" type. He also famously switched to WR at Miami, and was also suspended at the beginning of the 2020 season. He appeared in only two games at UNLV with one pass attempt during the 2021 season due to injury. Could playing at Bishop Gorman with all the talent around him have covered up his deficiencies, or was he just unable to grasp the faster college game?
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Did not know that and just read about it. Wow, that sucks. I wonder if he was already down a bad path, or did his crash at UT send him down that road? He was a top student in high school. CTE? Robert Joseph Syndrome (RJS)? That's terrible and sad.
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Pretty much what Romance Taylor did when he had himself arrested.
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From ai: The University of Texas has seen several highly touted football recruits who, for various reasons, did not meet the lofty expectations set during their recruitment. Here are some notable examples: 1. Derick Roberson (Class of 2014): A top-rated edge rusher from San Antonio, Roberson's tenure at Texas was marred by injuries and limited playing time. He eventually transferred to Sam Houston State, where he found more success. hookemheadlines.com 2. Erick Fowler (Class of 2016): A four-star linebacker from Manor, Texas, Fowler was expected to bolster the Longhorns' defense. However, he struggled to find his footing and saw minimal action before transferring to another program. hookemheadlines.com 3. Andrew Fitzgerald (Class of 2016): A promising defensive end from Flower Mound, Texas, Fitzgerald's career was unfortunately cut short due to injuries, leading him to retire from football in 2018 without significant on-field contributions. hookemheadlines.com 4. Johntay Cook II (Class of 2023): A five-star wide receiver from DeSoto, Texas, Cook showed early promise but faced challenges off the field. After a modest freshman season, he left the program and faced legal issues in early 2025, hindering his football career. (LOL) chron.com 5. Garrett Gilbert (Class of 2009): A highly ranked quarterback from Austin, Texas, Gilbert was expected to continue Texas's legacy of strong quarterback play. Despite his high school success, he struggled during his tenure with the Longhorns, leading to a transfer to SMU, where he found more stability. These cases highlight the unpredictable nature of college football, where even the most promising talents may face challenges that prevent them from reaching their full potential at a given program.
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More recent: Troy Omeire. Had such high hopes for him. There's an infinite loop that plays in my head each fall saying Troy's gonna have a breakout year, but injuries did him in. Glad he's having success at Arizona State. Even more recently, Isaiah Neyor. He played one game for at UT before transferring. Poor guy.
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Lol, Ryan Perrilloux's glorious NFL career: "On January 13, 2011, Perrilloux was signed to a reserve/future contract with the New York Giants.[33] On September 3, 2011, he was cut from the Giants' roster.[34] He was re-signed the same day to the practice squad, released from the practice squad on September 17 and was once more re-signed on September 23.[34] Perrilloux was waived again on September 28.[34] He was re-signed to the practice squad on October 8, but released again on October 12, only to be re-signed once more on October 17.[34] He was released from the practice squad again on November 2, 2011[35] and then signed to the practice squad again on November 11, 2011, before being released once again on November 26, 2011.[36] He was re-signed during the 2012 offseason and was released for the final time by the Giants during the final cut of the 2012 preseason.[3"
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I guess it is fair to name Perrilloux as a bust, as he has lots of off-field incidents and was eventually kicked off the LSU team, ended up underachieving at Jacksonville State, and never played in the NFL. However, unlike most of the other players in this thread, he did have one amazing game and was named the MVP of the SEC championship game, so that is redeeming, to some degree.
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Darrell Scott is one of the most famous busts of his era, for sure. He was a Texas commit for some time. After a semi-promising freshman season at CU, he demanded more playing time, transferred to UCLA, then South Florida, where he ended up having a marginally-successful career. He never played a down in the NFL.
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Tracking the spectacular, Dateline-worthy self-immolation currently being orchestrated by Johntay Cook got me thinking: Every college football fan, Longhorn or otherwise, has that one recruit they were sure would become a legend — only to watch them flame out in spectacular fashion. I’m talking about the ones who dominated in high school, put up record-breaking numbers, and were hailed as the “next big thing”… only to disappear into obscurity due to injuries, a bad fit, off-field issues, bad luck or otherwise. Who’s the biggest bust you’ve ever hyped up? You know — the one you told all your friends who are fans of other programs to ‘watch out’ for. Drop your most disappointing high school-to-college disasters in the comments. I’ll start with two Longhorns I mentioned in the Johntay thread from 2007-2008: Buck Burnette was an offensive lineman recruit from Wimberley. Buck may have been good at hunting deer, but unfortunately for Buck, he needed a trigger lock on his fingers, as he invited hunters on Facebook to bag Barack Obama after he won his first term. Using the N-word was also a nice touch. (No alcohol was involved in this incident at all.) Never played a down for the Horns. Andre Jones was a heartbreaker for me. Andre was a five-star defensive lineman from El Paso who also never played a down, as he got implicated in a strange robbery case w/ model citizen Robert Joseph. (remember him?) Andre Jones always claimed he wasn't even at the scene of the apartment robbery and it was a case of mistaken identify, but he was unable to clear his name, as the video evidence his lawyer produced was inconclusive. We will never know the truth, but poor Andre was cooked. That sucks if that poor guy got shafted, but pretty much anyone who hung out w Robert Joseph was compromising their career, reputation, safety, citizenship, life, etc. Love to hear yours. It can be from any college.
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Here is Arch throwing marshmallows from the shoot I attended. Really fun. insaneshayne1 is a pretty nice guy, too.
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Ohhhh, it was just a normal case of stealing car keys in the drive-though window!!! Whew! Thanks heavens. I originally thought that it was something strange!
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