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BHMCruiser

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  1. No disagreement here. Optics are important and civility is something else that shouldn’t be compromised.
  2. Yes but it's been moderately better for them Anyhoo you want to amend the constitution, go ahead
  3. It's gotten us more freedom with regard to some issues and less freedom with regard to others. Kind of like the tension we have always been in since this whole thing got started.
  4. yes we will take away your civil rights, but only for ten years sweet, where do I sign up for this excellent compromise? Here's an example of a compromise: Brady bill was stopped by NRA and long waiting period and discretion by LEOs was replaced by NICS. Now, background checks for sales of firearms (a constitutional right) are presumed, but are not nearly enough and must be replaced with the laundry list of things desired by Everytown. When you compromise, you are setting the baseline for the next compromise. And maybe you have to compromise (because if you don't you straight up lose in a zero sum game approach), but you're not going to get MORE freedom once you do that. You give up freedom and it's gone.
  5. incorrect thank you for the thoughtful post
  6. You're assuming a consensus where there isn't one because where to draw the line is critical. And, like I have already said again, the NRA has supported and assisted in the passage of red flag laws that have sufficient due process protection built in.
  7. well it varies by jurisdiction I know (or seem to remember) that you've been personally affected by this sort of situation so I'm not going to internet tough guy you on this one. The standard is high in some places and very low in others. Like I already said, if due process protections are observed, then generally most people (including decisionmakers at the NRA) are not opposed to laws that prevent mentally ill people from possessing firearms. But it's an important line.
  8. funny but I'm serious. If you're going to have these sorts of mental health laws what are they going to be used for and where are the lines drawn?
  9. 400 University of Georgia alums sign petition to categorically reject the incendiary rhetoric of Nick Saban in aftermath of SEC Championship
  10. No but you can't really think that the staff of the Democrat members' opinions are valid, important, reasonable or even remotely unbiased.
  11. And is this for guns only, or is it also for voting, driving, custody of children, going to work? Where do you draw the line? Also, if they already have a gun and run afoul of your database somehow, can the cops go take their guns from them?
  12. You are equating the purpling of red states with increased support for gun control in those states and in those populations. I'm not sure that's correct.
  13. Yes and I have no doubt that any effort at the federal level would fail spectacularly right now. Besides, what did the AWB even do? Everybody who had an AW or LCM got to keep it. The only real impact was in acquisition of only those firearms on the list and 10+ round magazines. It really was not that burdensome.
  14. "It's not an issue of compromise?" lol okay sorry I responded to a post about compromises with a discussion of compromising. How ridiculous of me! Not surprisingly you appear to have no idea about what the NRA does or does not do.
  15. The Florida situation proves my point. You want more red flag laws. The Parkland shooter is an example of not enforcing the current laws (which would have likely resulted in some sort of commitment or adjudication). The government evaluated the shooter before the shooting and determined he was not a danger. So would a "red flag" law have prevented it? Besides, Florida now has a more robust red flag law in place. And you can tell the NRA opposes that law because they've challenged it in court. Wait, they haven't done that?
  16. Yes of course. I'm just saying there's little incentive to compromise for gunowners. I think Atomheartbevo's main point is that, if gunowners do not accede to some/most/all demands of the majority of the gun control side, then the result will be a backlash that will cause massive loss to the gunowners. I don't think the data supports his argument, but it's not an unreasonable argument to make.
  17. "But if the NRA is going to constantly involve itself in any and all legislation involving guns, and spend millions lobbying politicians to get its way, then yes, it has a responsibility to lobby for safer gun ownership in the form of better mental health/red flag laws as a whole, and it needs to get out of the way of legislation that would improve background checks that would prevent the mentally ill from owning firearms." This is nonsense. Should the ACLU "get out of the way of legislation" that puts Muslims on terrorist watch lists without due process, or take responsibility for monitoring felons whose convictions are overturned for failure to adhere to Miranda rights requirements?
  18. "Better background checks"? Like what? The NRA basically came up with NICS and was a proponent of FixNICS, which increased the number and quality of records entered into the database and even penalized governmental agencies for failing to enter those records. How should existing background checks be made "better"? What is the demographic shift you are referencing? Is it increased firearms purchasing across all major demographics, or decreased support for gun control across all major demographics? And what compromise do you propose that would prevent anti-gun politicians from enacting a new AWB anyway? New York, California, Massachusetts and Maryland all have incredibly robust gun control laws yet have instituted AW and LCM bans anyway. So what is the compromise exactly?
  19. Or are you saying you did not know that those who have been adjudicated mentally ill cannot purchase guns?
  20. Yeah and felons had due process. That's how they were convicted. A collateral consequence of their criminality (the determination of which included due process) is being disqualified from owning firearms. As long as you have due process protections (you know, where you actually have a hearing, have an opportunity to put on evidence, etc.) before you strip somebody of their rights, then I doubt any person has problems with taking firearms away from the mentally ill. In fact, if you are adjudicated mentally ill, you are disqualified from owning firearms, just like with being a felon. And you can always go through the process of adjudicating somebody mentally ill. What you cannot do is simply take somebody's guns because you don't like them. What if they're on the no fly list? What if the sheriff thinks they are nuts? If they can take a person's guns because he's allegedly dangerous, then why can't they just throw him in a cell to keep him - and us - safe?
  21. Because he's a lying idiot and everybody knows it?
  22. Sure but the point is that every time gun owners "compromise" they are just setting the baseline for the next "compromise" for "common sense gun laws." It's a one-way ratchet. People on this thread alone talk about things like red flag laws and how we need more/better ones. Do we not already have these in the form of civil commitment statutes in virtually every jurisdiction? What about due process rights? How will those be observed and protected? Oh they won't, because guns? What's the limiting principle on that approach to civil rights/civil liberties? Did you know that the NRA has helped legislatures in some states with their red flag laws if proper procedural safeguards are adopted and observed? The concept that the NRA, or any other advocacy organization, has the responsibility to address our nation's manifest mental health crisis at every turn is laughable. What exactly are they supposed to do? Build mental health facilities?
  23. lol "staff members" oh no, not staff members!
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