Thermos H. Christ

I find her far more tolerable than Gary Danielson

Did Mr. Burns write this post? Stop hyphenating “coordinator” you weirdo.

Oh shit they’re going undefeated. It’s well known that Parker Lewis Can’t Lose.

So, to be up to the standards of the proud fans of this storied program, at a minimum you have to be more successful than the second most successful coach in the history of the program, who we hate because he sucked and didn't try hard enough.

Bullshit. Not only do I not believe that, I don't even believe you could actually believe it. Of course the CFP and the natty is the goal every season, but if you actually wouldn't give a shit about a 10+ win conference championship season because it's not the CFP, I don't understand why you even bother to watch, and I question whether you even like college football... like you realize that most college football fans root for teams that will probably never make the CFP and they still manage to get like 100x more enjoyment out of it than you apparently do, right?

I feel like you could pick a random person off the street and they would probably be able to recruit better than that at USC. What is going on over there?

If you think we’re firing a coach for the crime of only winning 10 games in a season you have terminal surly-brain

Show me six losses

Charlie was a nice, likable guy whose whole personal brand was about having character and values and caring about his players and the men they would become. Even when the writing was on the wall that he was a failure here and his firing was a foregone conclusion, a lot of people's feeling was that they had liked him and it was a shame it didn't work out. Nobody likes Herman. He's a cocky immature douchebag. And that's fine, I mean as far as we know he's not covering up rapes or anything too heinous, he's just kind of a dick. People are more than happy to put up with those qualities if he wins games. But if he's not winning, nobody is going to take a moment to feel sorry for him, it's just get out. I personally think that as usual this board is being too reactionary in wanting to fire the guy already, this will all take care of itself. He did enough last year to not get fired over a 7-8 win season this year, next year he'll be on the hot seat and we'll see what happens and either we'll be trending in the right direction or he'll get fired and we can try our luck with someone else.

Herman was a super popular hire all-around at the time. Yes there were dissenters as there always are, but if Herman had gone to LSU the shag would have had a collective aneurysm about losing out on him and how we should have fired Charlie midseason just to get a head start on sending dumptrucks of money to Herman's house.

I don't know how anyone can be surprised that an offensive coach with an identity he's pretty married to doesn't want someone to come in and install a whole different system. To be fair, Urban's pretty much the same way, and his offenses have also gotten pretty bogged down at times when he didn't have someone who was good at calling plays and adding new wrinkles. But calling plays and adding wrinkles here and there is exactly the job description we have a vacancy for. Lashlee seems like someone who could do that, there are probably others out there too. At a certain point though if Herman believes that strongly in his system I think he should probably just declare himself OC and let someone he trusts handle the defense on gameday, much like Gary Patterson did as a defensive coach who eventually just turned some guys loose with the offense and concerned himself with the defense. That went really well for a while.

Everyone keeps saying Ash was an analyst working here but I haven't seen that actually reported, everything I can find just says he came through before the OU game, not that he was added to the staff. I know his wikipedia page has him working as an analyst here but the sources cited don't back that up.

Which is weird, because someone obviously did when he came in. The defensive players all got way, way better between 2016 and 2017.

Every time we have a new DC they’re great for that one year. Diaz, Robinson, Bedford, Orlando, they all fielded amazing defenses out the gate. Why would Ash or whoever be any different? It’s after that first year when you gotta watch out.

Dabo had a shitty first season at Clemson (4-3 after taking over for Bowden who got fired midseason), a solid but not great second season (9-5) and a bad third season (6-7, ending with a loss to USF in the Meineke Bowl). Then, with his seat blazing hot and his hand being forced, he fired his OC and DC and got new ones. Things have gone pretty alright for him since then.

For all of Beck's unpopularity with fans, I think his resume is way too good to be able to retain him as a position coach. Look at all the terrible offenses out there, someone's going to take a chance on him. Someone gave Shawn Watson a P5 OC job like a year after he got fired here. Beck was nominated for the Broyles Award twice at Nebraska, Ohio State went 23-3 while he was there, we beat OU and Georgia last year and Sam was setting records, even this year I think we had a top 25-ish offense on paper. I'm not saying we should keep him as OC, we absolutely should not, but he's easily good enough to land a P5 OC gig somewhere.

lol at giving a CFB player a football as swag

Honestly I don't know how much a new OC changes things, because I don't really see any evidence that we're doing isn't what Herman wants. It's going to be Tom Herman's offense and playbook whoever is in charge of implementing it, we're not going to bring in someone with their own scheme and philosophy and let them do their thing. And Herman hears all the play calls every game, if he didn't agree with them he could jump in any time.

I respect the candor, and I'm not sure I disagree with the sentiment either.

Whoah whoah whoah now let's not say things we can't take back

Not Fired Before December 2020

I will never not be down to beat ND or USC

Serious question, are there examples where a new HC taken over at a school and brought in a whole staff of proven big name assistants with them? Seems like assistants who are doing amazing at P5 schools leaving to take the same position elsewhere isn’t really a thing that happens much, you’re either giving a chance to an up-and-coming “hot name” who was a G5 coordinator or whatever, or snagging someone experienced who has had some failures at previous stops. Honestly, same with head coaches. Who was available after 2016 who wasn’t “unproven” and/or toting a resume with plenty of “red flags” that could easily be pointed to as proof the hire was doomed from the start if it didn’t work out?

He won’t be. I just hope he’s gone at the end. Who do we have to step into the job midseason anyway? The awesome position coaches who have our guys playing with such stunning technique?

It's not quite that egregious, because Watson never ever fielded an offense worth a shit here. TO at least came in and had a real solid first season. Nobody wanted to see him go after year one, and people were worried about him getting poached for a HC job. Barring some drastic turnaround down the stretch I think TO probably needs to go but I'm still scratching my head wondering what happened to that guy from year one. If he can get out of his own way and rediscover whatever it was he was doing right back then, maybe he could pull it out.