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  1. I mean, we are losing sight of the actual problem, that if one doesn't go to college one shouldn't be consigned to a miserable life as a social pariah. No going to college isn't a "shitty" outcome. To be honest, these discussion always remind me how oblivious a lot of people are to how half this country lives (not aimed at you).
  2. So anecdotally, I know several Gen Z males who didn't want to go to college because it's for woke libs. Two of them have very MAGAt fathers.
  3. I think its public these days anyway?
  4. I honestly don't see it as that hard of a pivot for young people. It however is an extremely hard pivot for their parents.
  5. You both misunderstand me. I'm talking about not putting a cultural lens on people we are supposedly trying to help. And the 'we' in this circumstance is not you and me, but politicians and their messaging.
  6. So while I'm rambling, I also think we really have to separate culture from politics to be effective. I was actually thinking about this recently in the context of something else, but this is just another example. Republicans have banked on culture shit, but I can promise you if you feed and house a man the odds are in your favor he will vote for you.
  7. Well why didn't you just say that
  8. I think it's you and Derka, so you are in hallowed company.
  9. See, here is the issue. You have Mole with an anecdotal story that happened to him, which contained mild inconvenience and a generally happy ending. And yet you respond with a YouTube click bait title. There's no real discussion to be had here. People get unfairly denied employment allllll the time. Minorities still get that treatment by a factor of a bazillion to one to white dudes. Nobody is saying it's good or should ever happen, but plenty, myself included don't think this explains Trumpism, because it's just not statistically relevant in the big picture. Especially for millennials, who remember, are still the most liberal group! There's a lot more motherfuckers working at McDonald's or as a framer than ever went looking for a tech or academia career. I mean at the end of that day, I agree with you with a lot of blanket progressive-ism and it's faults. But I see no one in here who would tell someone of any race or creed that got denied a job unfairly to get fucked.
  10. One thing I have to add, we are still way too fixated on sending everyone to college. In particular, narrow minded suburban whites have never fully broken away from that paradigm. It's still conceptualized in their minds as 'bettering' oneself, and until other career paths are given equal moral and societal value again it's going to be the source of pain and frustrated ambition. I can tell you without any compunction that high level non college graduates in blue collar fields are smarter, more capable, and stronger people than the average mediocre suburbanite who gets a computer science degree and goes into "tech".
  11. I think that is a common concern, but that is literally the opposite side of the coin of this conversation. It's the input, we are discussing the output. But I do think it's a serious conversation that need to be had to be sure.
  12. I mean, I'm all for it. I just don't think you are doing that here. Or more accurately I don't think you are persuading anyone to take a different tack in the service of that goal. Most people here are in agreement with your premise, yet you are just condescending them and that seems antithetical to your stated aim. ETA See Briskets post above ^ for great strategy in pursuit of this end imo.
  13. I don't know what to tell you other than I disagree with that take, and you are being willfully ignorant to take that position. I haven't seen anyone in here go full Jordan fuck them kids regarding millennial white men. This all feels very personal to you.
  14. Literally all of my politics are for policies that would help them in fact.
  15. We all agree on that already tho.
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