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The problem as I have always seen it, is that these sorts of consequences are usually so slow and insidious for the population writ large that no one notices until it's way too late.

Since when has Barro been a moderatel liberal.

Honestly, that's already happening pretty widely. We are down to just a handful of contractors in our segment.

The concrete guys are definitely going to take an ass whipping

Cost of material will absolutely go way up. Work load is tbd though. I have a suspicion we get a sugar rush high then collapse ala 2008.

Yes, but what I think most people miss is there are many labor pools. It isn't just "construction". We essentially nothing to do with say framing, or concrete, or structural, among others.

No doubt

Believe it or not we have zero immigrants on payroll. We had a brief flirtation in the early 00's but it did not go well. I'm honestly not sure if we even have anyone of Hispanic background right now. I think we must, just because of the odds, but I can't think of anyone off hand.

A lot of that is because the food delivery system is so much more localized and less industrialized than the US. Which the upside is much fresher food in most countries.

Trifling eating motherfuckers in this thread.

Because it takes a much longer time span than I think most people realize. Yes, he can make ot nominally shittier short term, but as @wood and @956 Worldwide and @InkaUtexas will tell you, there is also a shitload of inertia. It takes a long time to turn an aircraft carrier. And the military doesn't take kindly to being told how to do things.

Do you even USA bro

I just bought a house so my guitars funds are tapped out at the moment. But if not

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I see ztejas had his weekly pantsing in the boxing thread this time. I knew deep down going into this that it would be.

I actually agree with you here

I mean you call them whatever you want, I'm not the lord and ruler of your language or amything, but this stuff is pretty well established. I'm just giving you the overview of class division, which isn't the same as income division. There's a reason it's a running joke that every American thinks they are middle class.

0%. Its not what "I think", it's what it is. Middle income =/= middle class. I know there is always the classic joke every American thinks they are middle class, but that isn't the case. Theres arguments to be had around the edges, similar to the generational years (nobody reading this start tlying about if Kamala is GenX goddammit), but by and large there are very clear distinctions. Class in the US is unambiguously an offshoot and close cousin of the Anglo conception of class. The only real difference is that Americans have always allowed for class mobility, whereas that was much more difficult in the UK. Class is the confluence of culture and money, exclusive of neither. White collar jobs are middle class jobs by definition. Accountancy, small retail store owners, engineers, middle management, basically the working professionals. Everything from taste in media, food, diction and so forth outline this. The working class obviously has their own taste, culture etc. These are people with name patches on their shirts. Also coincidentally who I spend most of my days with. But they are not middle class I can promise you. Their conception of basically everything is diametrically opposed to the middle class. The upper class is almost non existent in this country at this point. There are small vestiges left with certain people, but it's basically inconsequential. Almost every rich person you meet is dreadfully middle class. So if you want to use class and income interchangeably that's fine but it's not accurate and there ends up being a lot of talking over each other. Theres a lot more that can be said about class, and I have actually studied this more than I'd like to admit, but it would just be a massive and unproductive diversion. I would also say anyone making 160k who bitches can lick my nuts, but that is a whole different conversation All true

I mean, I will admit i don't see every one of your posts, but from what I have seen you are consistently describing working class people and pretty much never middle class people.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I'm openly antagnostic to the middle class, have been for a long time. They have enabled the rise of people like Elon Musk while keeping poor Americans poorer. Interestingly enough when you use descriptives of who you are thinking of in terms of these voting blocks, you never describe middle class people.

Yes, that is 100% what I'm saying. Again, I'm happy for the Democrats to lie to them for votes. Because better working class policies will result. But I'm not pretend Chad and Tynnyfer Middle Class' fee fees remotely reflect reality because they don't.

This is simply the wage growth side of things. Add in that most middle class people absolutely are in equities, it's not even close. Hell, even a lot of working class are in equities with 401ks these days.

Fixed income maybe, the middle class no way.