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  1. I posted this on the Whistleblower thread but wanted to repeat it here. The Republican party and everyone of its members who failed to stand up to Trump and remove him is responsible for this. I don't know how many people frequent this board and give a damn what's said, on it but if you're seeing this and are outraged, we need to hold the republican party accountable for Trump--and for the party's own apparent rampant party over country corruption--for as long as they continue to exist. No one should get a pass. If we have a conservative or center-right party, it needs to be a new party. The GOP is corrupted beyond repair and should die when Trump administration implodes.
  2. Yeah. That opening statement-- as reported-- gives them a ton to work with. The idea that he didn't know Burisma/pressure to investigate "corruption" meant "investigate Biden" is a joke. I don't know how many people frequent this board and give a damn what's said, on it but if you're seeing this and are outraged, we need to hold the republican party accountable for Trump--and for the party's own apparent rampant party over country corruption--for as long as they continue to exist. No one should get a pass. If we have a conservative or center-right party, it needs to be a new party. The GOP is corrupted beyond repair and should die when Trump administration implodes.
  3. That WaPo article on Sonland's testimony is really bad for Trump. It's worth reading the whole thing. Some other excerpts: The Sept. 9 exchange between Sondland and the top U.S. diplomat to Ukraine has become central to the House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry into whether the president abused his office in pressuring Ukraine to open an investigation into his political rival Joe Biden and his son, who sat on the board of a Ukrainian energy company. The White House and its defenders have held up Sondland’s text, which included “no quid pro quo’s of any kind,” as proof that none was ever considered. Sondland is expected to say that for months before the Sept. 9 message, he worked at the direction of Rudolph W. Giuliani, Trump’s personal attorney, to secure what he would call in another text message the “deliverable” sought by Trump: a public statement from Ukraine that it would investigate corruption, including mentioning Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company, by name. In exchange for the statement, the president would grant Ukraine’s new president a coveted White House audience. [...] Sondland’s testimony will raise the possibility that Trump wasn’t truthful in his denial of a quid pro quo as well as an alternative scenario in which the president’s interest in the scheme soured at a time when his administration faced mounting scrutiny over why it was withholding about $400 million in security assistance to Ukraine and delaying a leader-level visit with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. “Whether he’s deciding it’s getting too hot to handle and he backs off whatever his position really was a month earlier, I don’t know,” the person said of Sondland’s understanding. [...] “It was a quid pro quo, but not a corrupt one,” the person familiar with Sondland’s testimony said. Sondland appears poised to say that he and other diplomats did not know that the request to mention Burisma was really an effort to impugn the reputations of Biden and his son Hunter, who had served as a Burisma board member. Sondland contends that he didn’t know about the Biden connection until a whistleblower complaint and transcript surfaced in late September. To trust Sondland’s testimony, members of Congress will have to believe Sondland had not seen televised appearances by Giuliani over the spring and summer, or numerous newspaper and magazine articles questioning whether Hunter Biden’s role at Burisma could prove to be a drag on his father’s presidential campaign. “If people find that incredulous, it strikes me that the incredulity is hindsight bias,” said the person familiar with Sondland’s testimony. “The things that seem so clear to people now didn’t seem so clear in real time.” The testimony by Sondland, a Portland hotelier who gave $1 million to Trump’s inaugural committee through four of his limited liability companies, could prove damaging to Giuliani and the president. For months, Sondland’s deep involvement in issues related to Ukraine struck diplomats in Brussels and Washington as highly unusual, given his role as envoy to the European Union, a large trade bloc that does not include Ukraine. Former U.S. officials have said Sondland viewed the Ukraine assignment as critical to winning Trump’s favor and auditioning for a more senior job in the administration.
  4. After the text message comes out, the Sondland "no quid pro quo" was given by republicans as a talking point that there wasn't a quid pro quo. The media even qualified some of the reporting by saying the text messages were mixed, with Sondland saying there was no quid pro quo. Remember, there was about 5 hours in between, and apparently in that time, Trump was crafting his response which Sodland delivered. Holy shit. It's the crime AND the coverup. Impeach and remove him already. 9/9/19, 12:47:11 AM] Bill Taylor: As I said on the phone, I think it’s crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign. [9/9/19, 5:19:35 AM] Gordon Sondland: Bill, I believe you are incorrect about President Trump’s intentions. The President has been crystal clear no quid pro quo’s of any kind. The President is trying to evaluate whether Ukraine is truly going to adopt the transparency and reforms that President Zelensky promised during his campaign I suggest we stop the back and forth by text If you still have concerns I recommend you give Lisa Kenna or S a call to discuss them directly. Thanks.]
  5. This Ukrainian money to McCarthy reminded me of this. They are 100% aware of the flow of foreign money into elections. It's systemic, and some dems are probably guilty too, though nowhere near the scale of republicans. McCarthy was just trying to keep up and hadn't earned the honor of getting Russian money yet. I hope the full scale of the treason of the GOP is exposed for all to see. It infuriates me beyond belief. I https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/house-majority-leader-to-colleagues-in-2016-i-think-putin-pays-trump/2017/05/17/515f6f8a-3aff-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html KIEV, Ukraine — A month before Donald Trump clinched the Republican nomination, one of his closest allies in Congress — House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy — made a politically explosive assertion in a private conversation on Capitol Hill with his fellow GOP leaders: that Trump could be the beneficiary of payments from Russian President Vladimir Putin. “There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” McCarthy (R-Calif.) said, according to a recording of the June 15, 2016, exchange, which was listened to and verified by The Washington Post. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher is a Californian Republican known in Congress as a fervent defender of Putin and Russia. House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) immediately interjected, stopping the conversation from further exploring McCarthy’s assertion, and swore the Republicans present to secrecy. Before the conversation, McCarthy and Ryan had emerged from separate talks at the Capitol with Ukrainian Prime Minister Vladi­mir Groysman, who had described a Kremlin tactic of financing populist politicians to undercut Eastern European democratic institutions. News had just broken the day before in The Washington Post that Russian government hackers had penetrated the computer network of the Democratic National Committee, prompting McCarthy to shift the conversation from Russian meddling in Europe to events closer to home. Some of the lawmakers laughed at McCarthy’s comment. Then McCarthy quickly added: “Swear to God.” Ryan instructed his Republican lieutenants to keep the conversation private, saying: “No leaks. . . . This is how we know we’re a real family here.” The remarks remained secret for nearly a year.
  6. horncyclist

    SpaceX

    You wonder at what point SLS should be abandoned and the money just given in a massive contract to SpaceX for interplanetary travel. Wed get to Mars 10 times faster that way, imo.
  7. horncyclist

    SpaceX

    It's probably much further off. The rockets will have the capability for quick hops but making the preparation for space travel routine will be a long way off. And making it economical when there are othe, albeit slower forms of intercontinental travel.
  8. Yeah but he owns the libz so all that's cool.
  9. Plans for Trump Tower Riyadh must be coming a long. Corrupt pieces of shit.
  10. Holy shit. He met them at the Trump Hotel! I can't wait for the movie.
  11. Worse than those things you listed, which were bad.
  12. I think this may be it. Dam collapsing. Either he resigns in next 2-3 weeks or something very bad happens. I'm legitimately scared.
  13. Dems need to go for the kill shot. End our long national nightmare.
  14. Just checking in to say fuck you, you fucking traitors.
  15. With the Ukraine shit and the Kurd betrayal, you're seeing Trump without the adults in the room that kept this shit from happening the first two and a half years. Agree, this will get worse until he's removed.
  16. They enabled this shit. The fucking traitors. They could force him to resign and have Pence stop this shit tomorrow if they wanted. Fucking cowards. Traitors.
  17. Whistleblower documented accountd of officials with first hand knowledge in contemporaneous memos. Trump should be fucked. WASHINGTON — A White House official who listened to President Trump’s July phone call with Ukraine’s leader described it as “crazy,” “frightening” and “completely lacking in substance related to national security,” according to a memo written by the whistle-blower at the center of the Ukraine scandal, a C.I.A. officer who spoke to the White House official. The official was “visibly shaken by what had transpired,” the C.I.A. officer wrote in his memo, one day after Mr. Trump pressured President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine in a July 25 phone call to open investigations that would benefit him politically. A palpable sense of concern had already taken hold among at least some in the White House that the call had veered well outside the bounds of traditional diplomacy, the officer wrote. “The official stated that there was already a conversation underway with White House lawyers about how to handle the discussion because, in the official’s view, the president had clearly committed a criminal act by urging a foreign power to investigate a U.S. person for the purposes of advancing his own re-election bid in 2020,” the C.I.A. officer wrote. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/08/us/politics/trump-ukraine-whistleblower.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage
  18. Long live the King?
  19. With this letter, Trump basically declared himself King, no? What say you, GOP?
  20. Boom. The cross. Her momentum's going to be hard to stop.
  21. He's done this before with the military. He'll walk it back some and we'll move on to the next news cycle. The GOP can't control what they've created. Time to pull the plug while you still can. Impeach and Remove!
  22. What if Trump asked Turkey for some political dirt and this is Erdogan calling in the chips? This is pure speculation but this is the world we live in with a President this corrupt and compromised.
  23. How much of those farm bailouts are getting to actual people versus corporate farms?
  24. "I should recommend a show at my favorite theater."
  25. They definitely log calls. And the only way Trump is held accountable is if Republican senators realize the political fallout of standing by Trump is greater than abandoning him. That's all they care about. Winning. Let them know they're losing. Call,. organize, donate. Fuck these guys. Save the Constitution.
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