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GW Hayduke

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  1. Barr and the Mueller Report is a decent analogy. I imagine there were papers and analysis similar to the Martinez paper that were shared around between students, athletes, journalists, and professors, and it was probably generally accepted that Lee was an inspiration. Then reading the commission's executive summary, it would be rather obvious it was a whitewash job. It is unfortunate. In both instances, the media took the intended narratives and ran with it
  2. That is the question the commission was tasked with answering. I'm not convinced the executive summary reflects an honest attempt. I would say your below statement goes a lot further than what the commission was willing to say. I don't know what happened, but I'm assuming there were a large number of folks who were all wordsmithing and negotiating the executive summary. It probably got convoluted.
  3. I don't think we would want to throw the baby out of the bath water along with everything else that came prior to 1970. I understood a goal of the effort was to conduct an informed assessment on the origins of the eyes. I'm not 100% confident the commission's executive summary fairly did that.
  4. How so? I know you mean the paper strains to reach its conclusions, but interestingly I had the same perception of the commission report's executive summary and disconnect with it's own page 11. There seemed to be a lot of strain and semantic games between the two. I recommend you take a look at the the section of the paper under the heading "Was the Eyes of Texas Inspired by Robert Lee?" Comparing the commision report (pg 11 and the executive summary) and the paper (section on Robert Lee), there appears to be some evidence left out of the commission report. That raises questions.
  5. Why do you feel that way?
  6. Thanks for sharing. That paper was new to me. I had read the Commission's report when it first came out, and it was rather obvious the discussions surrounding Lee and the confederacy in the executive summary appeared disconnected from page 11 of the commision report. That was a big question mark for me. Now, it isn't clear to me why some of the evidence Martinez presented in his paper seemingly was left out of the commision report. It also isn't clear why their analysis and conclusions are so drastically different.
  7. You guys should lay off of onboard. He said he was wrong on an item some time back. That should be considered kind of a big deal these days.
  8. I agree with the idea that leadership is hard in that it requires addressing difficult things and it is often easier to gloss over, hide, or ignore things. I think the report did a bit of that when it came to presenting issues surrounding the confederacy. One example was the executive summary chose to not address General Gregg. Another was that the executive summary points out that the research team couldn't find a primary source that Lee said "the eyes of the south are upon you" but then on page 11 disclose a primary source of him saying the "eyes of the country are upon you," with country obviously being the confederacy. THose ties to the confederacy wouldn't IMO change a conclusion like "the inception of the song did not have overtly racist intent" but glossing over the ties does a disservice IMO, especially when dealing with a topic where perceptions differ among groups.
  9. I'm pointing out that a 5 second clip isn't really an excuse for an old lady fetish or really anything else
  10. Equating the very fine people on both sides quote to Nancy’s 5 sec clip should probably be avoided for a lot of reasons. I didn’t say it is bad to critique. My position is that a 5 second clip shouldn’t be considered evidence to support all of lobo’s old lady Nancy fantasies. I was also pointing out the collective convulsions of melted twitter brains - I like to mock twitter overreactions
  11. I see the chicken sandwich insurrection thing as a reflection of two bubbles. One bubble sees the labeling of "insurrection" as mean, ugly, and an attack against their side, who are the obvious victims here. The other bubble has access dictionary.com.
  12. I understand a 5 second clip is evidence that all of your perceptions were correct.
  13. I think apathy and accountability play some role in our current division. We each are personally responsible for our media consumption habits and whether we are in a media bubble or not. However, implementing change and good habits at population scale requires ground-up reinvestment and reform to our education system IMO. There were a few national GOP figures that jumped ship due to trumpism. Not nearly as many as there should have been IMO. Corporations are playing a role. Nearly all advertisers have stopped running adds on Tucker Carlson. We have seen corporate responses to voter suppression and bathroom bill stuff. Tech companies were too slow but have taken steps to address misinformation.
  14. Victimhood is strong in their identity, fear-based politics. Inject that victimhood into a person's media bubble and...
  15. Is this thread about why we currently have a hard left/right division in the country and reflected on this site? One component is the twitter, facebook, youtube algorithm media bubbles people are in. Solution: Take a hard look at your media consumption and make deliberate steps to diversify. There is the CR bubble and DT bubble on this site. We should probably understand that those two bubbles likely overlap with certain twitter networks and certain cable news networks. That guy that kept posting youtube videos as evidence of voter fraud some time back is an obvious example. Another component is the right side of the US politics has moved further right and adopted identity, fear-based politics. Solution: The GOP needs to lose political power in the US or they need to change. Probably underlying those two components are the reasons why a sizable percent of our population are susceptible to media bubbles, propaganda, along with identity/fear-based politics. Some describe this as a lack of education, critical thinking, self awareness, life experiences, or media understanding. Solution: Revamp and reinvest our education system so that something like this is less likely happen in 2040.
  16. Lulz you guys are like clockwork on this thing. Melted twitter brains convulsing to a 5 second cut from a speech
  17. Sadly, this is a non-serious answer.
  18. And how can we remove the 2nd amendment from the totality of the circumstances. The officer is working in the US. The US has a second amendment. The US has about 120 firearms for every 100 people. Every door an officer knocks on, every vehicle he pulls over has the potential to encounter an armed individual. If an officer is threatened by the presence of a firearm, they should move to Thailand or Canada where there are only about 15 firearms per 100 people or Japan where there are only about 0.06 firearms per 100 people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country If the presence of a firearm is threatening for any officer, especially when coupled with a lack of violent or threatening actions by the victim, then that officer should be working in another country. If an officer chooses to work in the US, they need to have some level of comfort with firearms. Their presence should not be deemed an automatic threat that justifies the use of deadly force.
  19. But running away is the opposite of a violent or threatening action. Turning around is not a violent or threatening action. Putting hands up is not a violent or threatening action. A person needs to be doing something violent or at least threatening to do violence before they are justifiably shot. The cop perceived he was being threatened, but he wasn't being threatened. The cop's perception was wrong. Turning around isn't a threatening action no matter what a cop perceived. If this cops training trained him to perceive the act of running away and the act of turning around as violent or threatening, his training was flawed. Killing someone who is not a threat is a bad shot, each and every time.
  20. But in order for there to be a "reasonable belief" and justification for shooting someone, shouldn't the victim at least need to be doing something violent or threatening to do violence? Running away is the opposite of a threatening action. Being armed shouldn't be justification to be killed - or does the 2nd amendment not exist?
  21. Shouldn't someone need to be doing something violent before getting shot, or at least, threatening to do violence? Even if he hadn't disarmed himself, what is wrong with being armed? Does the 2nd amendment exist or not?
  22. We should be striving for "rule of law" rather than "law and order."
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