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I was trounced pretty hard (I suppose rightfully so) for suggesting that A&M might, or might not, have sovereign immunity as implied in the bonfire diaster. It turned, after I 'looked it up myself' that they ended up settling for a seven figure amount. This does not bode well for similar cases if contact tracing tracks an infection spread right through a football game/practice. The problem isn't that you couldn't nail down a specific starting point. The problem is that if there is anybody along that contact path that is seen to have a lot of money (conferences, universities, NCAA, coaches and AD's), enough to pay for medical expenses and such, then they are the ones who get named in the suit. And the bigger problem here is that it isn't just players/coaches/staff. It's anybody they've had contact with and so on who gets infected and subsequently is hospitalized and/or dies. The number of people on that class action threatens to be geometrically larger than would be the case if it was just those directly involved in the competition. And I'm fairly certain that a larger number of plaintiffs gives a lot more credibility to a class action moving forward. I believe this is what has scared the Big Ten and Pac. What this means for the Big XII, SEC and ACC, I'm not sure. Just so we're clear, FULL DISCLAIMER: I'm hell and far away from being a lawyer, not even an internet one.

I believe the worst case scenario is a significant number of players getting infected and spreading their infection to family, friends,fellow party goers, and many others they come in contact with, and the start of their transmission is directly traced back to a football game or practice. That web of liability could be fatal.

Yep. Plus, in all of those cases, there's no chance the student athletes can spread those things to family members, friends, or fellow students on campus - potentially expanding the liability geometrically.

I don't know. *shrug* Maybe they naively thought it would all just pass. Or maybe it's just a severe lack of leadership (with regards to planning ahead). We may never know. If we were to somehow get a tape of all of the conversations they've had on the subject, I think we'd notice two trends: They would be reacting more than taking proactive steps. They would all be, as a group, agreeing to a lot of wait-and-see. And though I only said 'two', I think they'd each be separately praying that media just quitely drops the whole thing. But that's pure conjecture. We only get to hear things from 'sources', and sometimes those blips even seem to contradict each other in extremely short periods of time.

The bonfire wasn't on Aggy property and was not a sponsored event, so there was no direct link. The Leach contract dispute is contentious, but was technically allowed to fall under the protection of sovereign immunity. So far as I'm aware, there have been no lawsuits against the universities because of injuries incurred while playing sports. And that might be because of sovereign immunity, but I'm not sure. There have certainly been plenty of successful lawsuits with regards to sexual abuse, as well as by men who have been expelled/branded because of those kind of cases. Sovereign immunity clearly only goes so far. In any case, the NCAA isn't protected nor are the conferences. So even if the schools can duck from the Wuhan Xi virus under that cover, their governing institutions most certainly cannot, and the money (for any hypothetical future settlement of lawsuits against those institutions) would eventually have to come from somewhere....

In their defense (barely), I just don't anyone think even remotely planned for something like the Wuhan Xi virus hitting us all like this. It's just contingency plan they never put together.

So Rick, did your sources say anything about their media rights and if the Big Ten would quietly let those go to? Or how they will deal with the potential, but entirely unknown, long-term complications of contracting the Wuhan Xi, even for those who are asymptomatic?

Considering the special circumstances of the Wuhan Xi virus, would the Big XII be happy to let us all bring our media rights with us? What happens if the teams leave and the SEC subsequently cancels the season?

But how are you going to get these kids to agree to this? If they are a pro, sure for a few hundred thousand to millions a year, they might be happy to stay in a bubble for four months away from their family, friends, fans, and pretty much humanity in general except for their teammates and coaches. But for a scholarship? When they could be out having some fun like all of the rest of the students? Someone earlier in the thread mentioned increasing the stipend to sweeten the deal. How much are we talking?

I'm not so sure about that anymore. Maybe a ton, but not a shit-ton anymore. And I think that number's dropping steadily.

Ok then, to almost actually dying... I was a big bike rider back in my twenties, and unless I absolutely had to drive, I rode my bike. School, work, shopping, everywhere. So one day I'm riding my bike to the bank to deposit a check. I'm crossing a crowded busy road with traffic mostly stopped at a light about a hundreds yards down the road. A truck driver slows and waves me across and I stupidly went, promptly being hit by a pickup that was coming up beside him. I was rushed to the hospital, but while I was in pain and clearly banged up, I didn't seem to have any actual severe wounds. They checked my everything and even x-rayed me - all clear - and I was sent home. One of my old frat buddies drove me home but I was obviously a mess and he didn't leave. Eventually my then live-in girlfriend, who was an ICU nurse, came home from work, saw me and started doing her own examination. My lung had slowly collapsed from internal bleeding, which she quickly diagnosed. And back to the hospital I went, where they stuck a tube in me and drained it all out. The reason it hadn't been caught earlier was that it just wasn't enough at the time for my lung actually fail and it to show up when they checked my breathing or on any scan. She said that if I had stayed home about another 3 - 4 hours longer, I would have simply died.

John Carpenter's Prince of Darkness?

Was just watching Bayern Munich play versus Union Berlin live right now. The only people in the stands are players, coaches, and stadium personel. The players and coaches in the stands are all socially distanced and wearing masks. Yeah I'm sure we can make that work in college football. Eerie seeing this though. Was just flipping through the sports channels and saw the word 'Live' (hadn't seen that in a while) and had to investigate. Soccer's not really my game though, but this gives a glimmer of the near future.

So a white guy, a black guy, and an asian guy all walk into a bar. The bartender looks up and says, "Oh gosh. Not here!" and flees to another bar.

Looks like some researcher stumbled across something he wasn't meant to be stumbling across.... https://www.yahoo.com/news/researcher-verge-making-very-significant-030320409.html

Those first two pics aren't really showing the bikini pics that would do them justice in truly demonstrating how crowded things actually are.

I don't believe this is a logical statement. The vast majority of educational systems in the world have their sports completely intramural or separate from the universities. I mean I know we're talking sci-fi alternate universe stuff here, but if the American educational system had left sports to basically separate 'leagues', never moving anything past intramural setups, we might be living in a world where this whole argument about who gets paid what would be moot and we would all be big fans of local minor-league teams instead of university teams.

You mean one that's still open?

Looks like professional baseball has started up in Taiwan. https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2020-04-16/professional-baseball-in-taiwan-begins-empty-stadiums-ariel-miranda Maybe China should have let the WHO listen to what these people had to say.

Alright, Obviously I missed the acronyms post. What HEB stand for?

If the United States decides to follow the China model, then all of our infection/death rates will miraculously, unrealistically drop to near zero, and nobody with half a brain will believe a word the government is saying about the disaster. Meanwhile the bodies would be piling up and all of the residents of the hardest hit locations would be wondering why and how there seem to something like 50 times the number of dead that's been stated officially. I would recommend NOT following the China model.

If Italy decided to follow in China's footsteps, then all we would be hearing from here on out would be pure lies.

Well that's only wrong by an order of magnitude!

Frankly I'd be amazed if they had the personel and training to monitor in-state flights like that at this time. It's not exactly a secret that airport staff are dropping off due to this thing.