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  1. 1 hour ago, Johnny Sack said:

    The point of a school library isn’t to have every book ever available.   The community through its leadership decides which books to make available.  School libraries add and remove books all the time.  

    But they don't say "this book is not allowed to be here" all the time. That's the difference.  Not every library has every book, but a librarian in that school district is not allowed, or PROHIBITED, from having that book available. It's really not a hard concept at all. 

  2. I'm gonna have to push back a little bit. Maybe we should pass a "Don't say vegetarian" law. Look, what those people do in the privacy of their own kitchen is their business, but I don't need them flaunting it at dinner when I order a steak.

    Yeah if someone said I had to live the rest of my life gay or vegetarian, I would have to go into the tank for quite a while.
  3. 42 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

    They didn't know about it, so that doesn't help with this.

     

    The state can just keep secrets if they think things might happen. Seems not vague at all.

    What is the list of things you think the state, through public schools, should be mandated to dislcose to parents?  What if they see Mary Lou holding hands with Stevie?  Must disclose?  What if instead she's holding hands with Tammi Jo?  What if a teacher is in a bathroom and hears a kid say she heard Mary Lou blew Stevie?  Obligation to call Mary Lou's parents?  Stevie's?   

    What if the student in your article specifically told the counselor that her parents hate gay people and she feels worthless because she thinks she is gay?

    Ludicrous how you are framing this. Truly ludicrous.

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  4. 29 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

    https://meaww.com/florida-teen-gender-crisis-hang-herself-twice-parents-slam-school-negligence

    Because teachers know, and try to keep it secret. Also the suicide attempts.

    Like Sawbonz said, the language used, the "devout Catholic", and the part about the kid not wanting the parents to know. I dunno what to tell you if you feel like involving these parents would have prevented this suicide. I can promise that in many cases, involving the parents is going to dramatically increase the chances of suicide. 

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  5. 38 minutes ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

    Wait, how are we killing gay and trans kids with this bill again? By not discussing sexuality or gender in early elementary? Hyperbolic even for you. 
     

    The tens of thousands of small children in Florida that are emotionally mature enough to confidently and definitively declare they are gay or trans are miserable and/or despairing because Mrs Krabapple glossed over an obvious opportunity to fully delve into sexuality and gender differences? I just don’t see it. Like you don’t think it should be a big deal. We’re just too far apart on this one I think. 

    Most of those kids are not confidently and definitively anything, and often are wondering if what they feel is OK, or if something is wrong with them. Often their parents are implying that there is in fact something wrong with them. 

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  6. 3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

    So could there be a compromise that someone qualified, such as the counselor handle it?  I know there are good teachers out there, great ones, but there are also ones that aren’t qualified for this, imo. 
     

    I’m not certain I agree. I’m know for sure I’ve met gay folks (that weren't advertising it) throughout my life. But it was post college before I ever had any actual interaction. I don’t hate, or fear, then. There just weren’t many in my circles. Of those few I did meet, all were women.   99.99% of the interactions I’ve had with trans folks have been 2 people, on this website. I think very highly of one of them.  Like it or not, there’s much more explanation with sexuality/gender/sex than there is pigment and your genealogical relation to the equator.  I’m an educated person and I’m still working on learning all the pronouns (the extra 20 that exploded recently) as to not accidentally offend people on this site.  My kids are smart. They are considerably smarter than I was at their age, but I know the younger ones aren't ready for this.  I hope they learn properly. Not like many in our generation did, where we had to do some back tracking on it to get it right.  But I’m not certain that’s supposed to happen under 9-10yo.  Especially by someone who’s got 1/4 the amount of education of their parents. 

    As to the first part, not according to the Repubs who pushed this bill. They also pushed for a law that if the kid talks to anyone at school about gender issues, including a counselor, that person would face criminal charges if they didn't notify parents. That got removed, for now, but that's the mentality we are dealing with.

    For the second part, again we aren't talking about a kindergarten test being "1. Which is a triangle?  2. Which is red?  3. Compare and contrast pansexuality and bisexuality."  No one is saying make sure every kindergartener gets all the terms and pronouns. All we are saying is that "some boys like boys and some like girls and some like both" is not a super confusing concept. I wouldn't put it on the lesson plan in a kindergarten class. If it comes up though, it comes up. A book shouldn't be illegal b/c it has a gay character. 

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  7. 6 minutes ago, ChuckNorrisActionJeans said:

    they are intentionally conflating "sex"/gender/orientation with teaching sexuality. The fact of a person's identity doesn't include specific sexual information but they rely on the rubes to be unable to think that logically. 

    Exactly this.  "Gay people exist and are mentioned" is presented to the rubes as "weirdo perverts want to talk to kindergarteners about sex, why???" 

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  8. 2 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

    No I’m completely against it, and absolutely believe it’s a stunt. At the same time, I don’t want the subject breached with my 4yo. I saw your examples upthread you asked sack about. I don’t have any problems with those, outside maybe the same sex book, because I know my 4yo doesn’t understand that yet.  10 yo kids, I don’t have much issue with any of it.  I think the 4-7 age this “law” speaks to, these subjects should be sent to the house.  That doesn’t mean people hate alphabet kids, or adults. It means the VAST majority of 4 yos don’t know what it all means.  
     

    I went thru this irl with my oldest at a young age, while shopping.  I trust the parents over the teachers.  Maybe in some shithole county in East Texas the parents won’t handle it as well as the teachers.  But I’m my district, that’s very well educated and well to do area, I trust the parents can handle the proper explanation for their family. 

    Much more reasonable and rational, and the obvious problem is this law opens up consequences for those things (and also further reinforces LGBTQ as outsiders to be ostracized and marginalized, which is so harmful obviously). I also think "existence of gay people" such as a book with same-sex relationship characters shouldn't be a controversial subject needing a parent involvement, any more than "why does Steve have brown skin?" or a book with Black characters should be controversial even in an all-white area or school. Obviously getting deep into the weeds on these topics isn't appropriate for K-3 and no one is pushing to do that. 

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  9. 5 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

    I’m not certain that’s any better than the stupid law.  Seems like you’d be less protected from a rogue upset parent, and some teachers are going to be making bank off the lawsuits (at taxpayer expense).

    Exactly 100% backwards. How, exactly, are teachers going to make bank off the lawsuits?  Further, how exactly is it at taxpayer expense. Show your work. PRO TIP: Putting in a law that someone can be sued for doing something generally increases lawsuits based on that something. PRO TIP 2; Saying you can't do A, B, C, D, E, or F when the huge majority thinks only E and F are the problem results in people not doing A, B, or C which can be very harmful and results in moron lawsuits when A, B, or C is done. 

    Even you admit it's government overreach, yet you stand her defending it as reasonable at the same time. 

  10. Just now, Sawbonz said:

    Studies show that black children begin associating their skin pigmentation with inferiority in pre-k. Those feelings affect their confidence and mental well-being the rest of their lives. Imagine how much worse it is for a trans child

    Doesn't care, prefers dead kids over validation of behaviors or mindsets he doesn't understand or like. 

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  11. 3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

    Are you sure? You want to read it again (I didn’t say write down their natal sex)?  I said write down natal sex on a note.  This is going to be very difficult is you can’t read words. 

    So for the record your position is that when you said "Write down natal sex on a note and send them home to their parents." rather than meaning "write the child's natal sex down on a note for them and send them home" you actually meant just hand a kindergartener a piece of paper with two words on it, one of which is sex, and expect that it will resolve it.  OK coolio. 

    Just now, fattyflattie said:

    I’m certain his K teacher, you know the ones that teach them different colors and shapes, will prevent that. K suicide rate on the rise? 

    Applies through at least 3rd grade, then whatever the ignorant dregs of society deem age-appropriate above that. But, since you asked, you complete ghoul, absolutely yes it has doubled in the last decade. https://www.todaysparent.com/kids/kids-health/why-is-suicidal-behaviour-increasing-among-elementary-school-children/

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  12. 2 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

    what if that note said "your son claims he is gay" and that note gets that kid's ass kicked at home? just because your scenario is YOUR preference doesn't mean it is for everyone else.

    Or the kid is beaten and told he will go to hell and then kills himself? OH WELP SORRY HAVE TO APPEASE BACKWATER FUCKS WHO REFUSE ADVANCES IN MODERN MEDICINE

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  13. Just now, fattyflattie said:

    In cases where a student’s “biological sex” is disputed, the law authorizes schools to require health examinations or documentation from the student’s personal health care provider.


    I know, that whole Sooner reading deal, but come on man. Your claim was disputed in the first paragraph of your own link. 

    Jesus you are dumber than fuck. It authorizes "health examinations by the school" or "documentation from the personal health care provider".  YOU are the one who cannot read, stop fucking projecting your stupid fucking shit. From the fucking same article, mouthbreather: The bill, which is now headed to the Senate for consideration is similar to dozens of laws being considered across the country restricting the rights of transgender students, but it goes even further by giving schools the power to conduct genital examinations.

  14. 5 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

    Nope. I’d be fine with just firing them. But I don’t think it’s a big ask for teachers to place those talks back on the parents for 4-7 yos. 

    So you advocate firing a teacher for responding to a question with the current correct medical guidance as issued by the AMA.  Fucking lol. 

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  15. 4 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

    Now that is fucking creepy

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/548534-floridas-new-ban-on-transgender-students-in-sports-would/

    Link since I'm sure the Johnny's and IV's of the world will be insisting that it isn't true, but yes Florida Republicans voted to allow school officials to inspect kids' genitals. Pretty sick, huh flattie?  Your fucking team is the one that does this shit and just constantly projects. 

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  16. 21 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

    That’s where your mind goes, and you wonder why there’s some accusations?  Come on sooner, get it together.  A teacher of 4-7 yo should easily be able to dodge that question, and let the parents explain should they feel it’s appropriate. 
     

    Lol. Pretty sure the bad feelies stem from those that insist their pronouns are being misused. 
     

     

    You are the one that insisted the teacher write down natal sex, which is determined by inspecting genitalia. Stop the fucking deflecting. And in fact conservatives did push a bill that would require genital inspection of children before they could participate in sports.

    Yeah, people being intentionally disrespected usually feel bad, especially when it's done by dipshits who think they know better than doctors. 

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  17. 2 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

    Cool. Write down natal sex on a note and send them home to their parents. Problem solved. 

    And so you would propose the teacher inspect the child's genitals to determine natal sex?

    Also the medical community largely agrees that sex <> gender, so you want everyone to oppose predominant medical information because it gives you bad feelies?

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  18. 11 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

    Easy. 
     

    We can start with how one would explain that doctors take a “guess” at your biology when you are born, and the other can explain how science actually works. 

    hope this helps: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/232363

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/environmentalaccounts/articles/whatisthedifferencebetweensexandgender/2019-02-21#:~:text=8.-,Summary,woman%2C or another gender identity.

  19. Vibes and Johnny,

    No more deflecting, no more bullshit. I want answers directly from each of you on whether these examples are OK or not OK. Let's say in a 3rd grade classroom. 

    1) "Hey teacher, why does Sally have two mommies?" " Well, Billy, some girls like boys, some girls like girls, and some like both. No matter what, they can still get married and have kids."

    2) "Hey teacher, I really feel like I like girls even though I'm supposed to like boys. Is something wrong with me?" "No Jennifer, it's common for people to have feelings like that, sometimes just for a little bit, sometimes for their whole life."

    3) Alright kids, we are gonna read Book X (that happens to have a relationship between same sex characters, without any explicit sex). 

     

    No horseshit about grooming or Libs on Tik Tok or anything. Simply yes or no (with reasons if desired).  

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