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This is extremely concerning and sobering and an excellent summary of why the “meh it’s the flu” and “no concern unless you’re old” crowds are risking thousands of lives.
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A huge part of it is the US is completely resisting testing unless no other option exists. So less cases and the ones that are found are mostly severe so more deaths.
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5 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:
Even if people test positive for it, most wont quarantine themselves for 2 weeks (and upwards of 39 days of u believe other numbers/studies).
Testing is becoming more and more useless by the day
People who test positive are under mandatory quarantine.
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57 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:
Almost no point in testing people at this juncture
its not like people with cold symptoms are gonna quarantine themselves anyway
Which is why there needs to be widely available testing at low or no cost. If I get fever and a cough, I may not quarantine, but if I can go get tested, see I have it, then I would. Also, you test to make sure asympomatic people aren't spreading it. Guy posted yesterday that his uncle has it, confirmed, but his aunt has no symptoms, so they aren't testing her. She's free to roam. That is gross negligence. She should obviously be tested to help reduce the spread.
38 minutes ago, 0xdeadbeef said:Pretty sure all the studies done in the future will show that it didn't really matter what actions the US or Europe took as far as testing and local containment went and that there was no chance for the world to contain this once it blew up in Wuhan.Testing would move up the timetable for us to panic, but only a totalitarian government and a submissive people, like China, have a chance to contain this.
It's the asymptomatic spreader that makes this impossible to stop.
If we were testing aggressively we might show as many as a few thousand cases, but we still couldn't stop it.
As has been posted over and over, slowing the spread is YUGE as far as crippling effects on our economy and health care system. 100,000 hospitalized over a 6 month period is dramatically different than over a 1 month period.
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Well that's one way to keep the numbers low.
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/coronavirus-quarantine-cruise-ship-begins-testing-passengers-new-cases-san-francisco/Pat Herrick, whose mother was a resident in the nursing home, said she got a call in the morning that her mother had passed overnight. Herrick said she was told her mother died of natural causes. She expressed doubt, insisting her mother had been healthy, but praised the Life Care staff.
"I'm asking and lobbying to make sure she gets tested, I want her body tested. And I've been told we don't do that, you know we just have to assume it's natural causes. So I'm saying that's not okay," Herrick said.
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Took me a minute - but I found Chicago State in the WAC, where the men's team is currently 0-14 in conference and 4-25 overall, makes me wonder who they beat but not enough to look.Chicago State (???) cancels mens and womens basketball games, won't let their teams travel due to coronavirus
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28833590/chicago-state-men-basketball-team-not-traveling-due-virus-women-home-games-canceledCHICAGO -- The Chicago State men's basketball team will not travel for two regularly scheduled WAC games this week, and its women's team will not host two games, the school said late Tuesday, citing the spread of the coronavirus.
The school said in a statement it was making the move with the "health and well-being of the campus community in mind."
The cancellations are believed to be the first by a major sport in the United States due to the virus.
The university said the men's team would not travel to Seattle or Utah Valley for WAC games on Thursday and Saturday. The school also said the women's team would not host Seattle or Utah Valley at the campus' Jones Convocation Center on the same days.
"Chicago State athletics views our decision as a reaffirmation of our commitment to the well-being, health and safety of our student athletes," Chicago State athletic director Elliott Charles said in the statement.
The women's team is 1-13 in the WAC standings, 1-26 overall.
So these forfeits actually save the school travel money, as they would have lost the games anyway
3 of the men’s team wins are non-DI. Pulling their schedule is amusing as they get massacred by the bottom third of the NCAA. I’m sure they were good with any reason to cancel. -
I'm starting to come around to this line of thinking. But I can't figure out their long game if so as headlines are just going to get worse. But then I remember it's Trump we're talking about and it makes sense.
Kick the can down the road without stock market panic until the warm weather “miracle”.-
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That nurse's statement, along with so many other stories of people being denied testing as well as not being given proper instruction should absolutely result in lots of terminations and litigation after we put this mess behind us, which will be much worse than what was necessary. Fucking idiots.
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8 minutes ago, ShaggyBevo RIP said:
I've been wondering if we will see a precipitous drop in flu cases from almost everyone washing up properly.
Yeah, no, most people aren't washing up properly. Most people are doing their 3 second token rinse under cold water, then relentlessly touching their eyes, nose, and mouth, and refusing to modify their lifestyle.
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such a lovely place
Don’t touch your face-
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That ZH article is such inaccurate and irresponsible trash. For one, 2% mortality would be huge. For two, it disregards the survivors often require multi week hospital stays. For three, it disregards that people pass it on without showing symptoms and stopping spread requires a multi week quarantine. Those factors make it potentially very disruptive even to those who don’t catch it.
Then all the misleading or false stuff. Oh hey 40 years ago Dean Koontz wrote a novel about a bio weapon that developed in China. Must be fake!!!! Of course even our cherry picked page shows that the fiction was completely different as the Koontz weapon couldn’t live outside of a person for a minute and part of what makes COVID dangerous is it can survive on surfaces for a long time. Also the page that says 2020 doesn’t read like a novel and isn’t same font as the Koontz book so that looks like some other crap that they are trying to tie into the “coincidence.”
And it’s false that the media is treating it like the plague. I really want to throatpunch this person.
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This is the sad reality. The democratic party was handed a goddamn layup for this election cycle, and they still managed to fuck it up. I'm gonna have to get shitfaced drunk before forcing myself to vote for this dipshit. So be it.
Its a goddamn disgrace. My most realistic hope at this point is that Trump and Biden will get into an alpha-male noogie contest at the first debate and both stroke out.
One good thing is they are both in the extreme coronavirus danger zone age bracket.
And yeah 2016 was a layup too and the Dems came up with another bag of shit. Enough people enabled that by voting for that bag of shit that they went back to the well. I won’t support it. I would vote for every Dem nominee from 1992-2012 over Trump. I don’t know enough about Dukakis to say for sure.
It’s just amazing that the party that could/should be representing the future is coming down to two guys who are 158 years old combined. Their combined lifespan would reach back to the fucking Civil War. -
Cool. Because all those Gary Johnson votes were really worthwhile last time.
Only way to get parties to stop nominating bags of shit is to not vote for bags of shit. Worthwhile to me.-
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3 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:
Fine with walking away, but trying to use his dead son as an emotional shield in that case is pathetic.
"My kid served in Iraq" is a perfectly valid response to "you don't care about the people who served in Iraq." Jesus Christ, stop making me defend this guy.
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Just now, Dbeasy said:
Lack of voting for the Democratic candidate is supporting Trump. You can try to reframe the action any way you like but the bottom line is that you will be partially responsible for putting him back in office, and he is a disaster. You are enabling a disaster.
I'm aware some people will see it that way. Why isn't lack of voting for Trump supporting the Dem candidate? Same exact argument.
The people who had 4 years to come up with a candidate in what they see as the most important election in history and came up with a senile octogenarian groper are the enablers.
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7 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:
yeah, when will these veterans sent to war by clowns over lies be nicer
So your position is anyone with a legit complaint over any policy or vote by any candidate, regardless of when it occurred, has a right to stand and just scream at a candidate and the candidate is obligated to nod and say "uh huh, right, sure, I told you that bitch crazy, uh huh" until the filibuster ends?
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8 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:
This is a very interesting post. We have a President that is a serial liar every single day multiple times a day, has either had horrifically bad policies or failed at every policy he has attempted, is laughed at by the international community, is completely ineffective at foreign policy, has highly questionable relationships with Russia, has mismanaged the country financially, is unprofessional and immature, has driven out any semi-competent people from the administration and replaced them idiotic boobs, and relates hatred and conflict.
So what if Biden is old and ineffective. Everyone is better than the moron we have in office, so how in the world did you conclude what you did? What has Trump done to deserve another minute in office? And guess what, it ain’t the economy. Anyone with a brain can see that deficit spending and irresponsible tax cuts have kept the economy on life support.Right, I won't vote for Trump either.
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3 minutes ago, Tuco said:
Well, and a lot of people could still die from it. 1-2% of the population is a shit load of people. There is this assumption it will just be people who were already nearing the end of their life, and this would just be the final straw. That's not 1-2% of the population. I was talking to a client, and during the meeting I remembered that he has a daughter who has cystic fibrosis. I was just sitting there thinking what kind of precautions he has to be taking. There are a lot people, who are hoping to enjoy a long, productive life in society who are now very much at risk.
I absolutely agree with this also of course.
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4 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:
He doesn't even try and, very very very importantly, the guy who is yelling at him is right.
Ehhhhh. He listens to the intro, and we won't know how we would have responded if the guy had said something like "do you regret your vote?" or "why should I trust that you wouldn't do this again?" or similar. Instead he just screams "you are disqualified!" over and over. And obviously you don't think that guy is right since you said you will vote for a nominee Biden, so you disagree that he is disqualified.
And it shouldn't be disqualifying. It passed the Senate 77-23. More Democrats voted for than against. There are dozens of better reasons for Joe Biden to not be president.
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Biden is for sure horrendous, and has been shitty in lots of voter encounters that I've seen, but that wasn't one of them IMO. The guy just wants to yell at him, he's not trying to dialog or ask for positions, etc. How long should Biden stand there and have this guy yell in his face?
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10 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:
What is the GDP impact of something like this in the US?Lets say that a major city in the US [coughs] Seattle [coughs] closes all its schools.
How to people take care of their kids? Take off work right? So now l, half to 1/3 of folks are off work. Hourly ppl don’t get paid. Bills don’t get paid. Work doesn’t get done.
I mean, I know we lost like 10% of the market on fear, but dang If this shit actually goes down then the economic impact is pretty damn significant.
Exactly. This is what the BUH WHUH HOW MANY PEOPLE DIE FROM FLU THIS IS HYPE crowd isn't getting. Basically no one is saying wow we are all going to die from the disease, we are saying it has the real potential to be highly disruptive to the health care system and the economy.
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Just now, washparkhorn said:
We have a new frontrunner. Does he have a plan other than - at least I am not Trump? Please let me know what the plan is.
He's moving on from Super Thursday continuing his candidacy for U.S. Senate, and will be curing cancer and appointing the first black female senator. Seems simple enough.
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4 minutes ago, Foosters said:
Out of curiosity, which candidate did you like?
Also, if you vote for Trump (the person you just described as the most repugnant person to ever hold office) over Biden, then I think the blame falls squarely on your shoulders.
None were a direct match for me. My preferences of the field that came out were Yang, Buttigieg, Warren. Yang and Buttigieg I liked because I like a forward-looking, scientific, intelligent approach. Also when you have someone who is 40-50, they have a very vested interest in the next 30 years of what happens to this country, its economy, etc. If Bernie's policies cause a Great Depression, what does he care, he'll be dead anyway. Warren was older than I prefer, but is almost a decade younger than the 3 ancient Bs, and also had a more policy-based approach.
I would accept someone who isn't a senile groper who is an incoherent babbler, we already have one of those.
And no, I absolutely also will not vote for Donald Trump. I'm aware that many people will say that not voting for Biden is voting for Trump. I'm not the one who came up with this shit sandwich. You have to earn my vote, not just say "yeah but our shit sandwich is at least semi-solid, and that guy's is pure diarrhea."
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Formerly DT: COVID-19 - Featuring Lots of Politics, now CR because political talk not going away
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Says who? The exponential case rate is higher than flu. The R0 (number of people one person expects to infect) is 2.5 to 3.5 times that of flu. That’s one of the things some of us have been trying to explain to the JUSTTHEFLU crowd while Italy’s health care system collapses into Bolivian.