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  1. I 26k n BTN w AJo. SB seems pissed that I keep taking blinds and shoves 190k. I fold. Not sure


    This is close. It’s probably slightly +cEV to call against most but high variance.

    Two limps. I complete SB w JJ

    967. I check, BB shoves 180k w T9. Only I call.

    7

    3

    I can’t keep track of chip count


    What in the world? Why are we completing JJ after two limpers?

    Open HJ 35k w 88. CO (360k) makes it 75k.

    I don’t believe him and go 150k. He then shoves. Did I just fucking price myself in?!? Jesus lurch.

    I call, he had aces and I’m fucked.

    770k. Dumbass.


    Yeah people verrrrry rarely bluff 3bet a size that isn’t allin when they have less than 25 big blinds. Call>>>>>4ballin>>>>fold=min4bet
    I open HJ 35k w TT. CO calls. BB calls.

    832. Chk to CO, 75k only I call

    5. Check, he 150k. Call

    K. Chk chk

    He 99


    Why did we open TT then check an 832 flop 3 ways?
  2. Gogogo!

    BTN opens 11k w 50k behind. SB folds. I shove w 55 and he folds a weak ace
     
     
    UTG (150k) puts out 7k and they make him go to 8k. CO calls. I call BTN w QTo. BB calls. 38k pot
     
    T53. UTG 16k. Only I call. 70k pot
     
    T. Chk chk.
     
    7. He 16k. I just call. He AA
     


    I actually think these might both be folds pre. I don’t expect we have much fold equity on the 55 hand. And approaching the bubble with a below avg but not desperate stack puts ICM handcuffs on us. Similar to when I had to pukefold 99 in the Venetian MSPT. The value of doubling is just so far below the cost of busting in these specific scenarios.

    I would call QTs but not QTo. Just too weak and our chips are just too precious at this stage. If the bubble had burst, it’s ok.

    Pretty sure Sooner value bets the river. Didn’t know what I’d do to a shove


    You mean I would raise? I don’t hate the call bc of the ICM reasons above. But this shows us why pre is troublesome. We get a top 2% runout for our hand and still not sure.

    What are w we doing w ATo UTG+1? I fold. Too nitty?


    Fold is fine. Most players (including me) probably over open hands like KQo, AJo, and ATo in early position.
  3. Lurch posted he made a math error in the heat of battle. Been there, done that.

    The problem with calling is we are getting basically 2-1 on a call but we are only gonna turn a straight about 20% of the time. We need a pretty specific parlay of villain will rarely jam turn but will almost always stack off if we hit to call.

    This hand shows how drawing doesn’t work when bets are big and stacks are shallow.

  4. Next hand 2 limp to my 89 in BB. I check 10k pot
     
    K7T. Check to CO who bets 11k w 10k behind. SB folds. I have to shove right? I do he calls KQ and we don’t get there
     
    Two hands later I open 6k w K9hh on BTN and SB shoves 40k. Can’t call. Damn rough run


    Turn it around! I actually think the 89 is a fold. We never have the best hand, have no fold equity, aren’t getting odds to draw. We win 1/3ish and are putting in 21k on flop to win 31k. So we need more like 40% equity. QJ is closer just bc he sometimes shows up with a ten which gives us extra outs or he might have the 89 so we have best hand.
  5. I’m just looking for over card hands to fold, so yes worse hands fold and not improve

     

     

    We are spending way too much to get someone with 15% chance of improving to fold, and guaranteeing we get stacked when they have it. Also we would LOVE for AK to see a king turn.

     

    Edit to add: I think raising is a bit better if we have more opponents still in the hand. But here, we only have two: the HJ and the CO. The CO already put in 4k and he isn’t deep enough where we can fold if we jam. So we don’t want to drive him out, we want to keep his bluffs and weaker hands in.

  6.  
    I def need to bet flop. I think I need to fold turn but haven’t done math. River was just fucking moronic especially when turn call was SOLELY to hit 8 cards!


    Are we betting every flop 3 handed? If so we are way over-cbetting. This is a solid hand and board to put in our check-back range.

    42k to 500/1k/1k
     
    Tight old guy UTG 3k. Aggro young guy in UTG+1 calls. Folds to me in BB w T8dd. Defend here?
     
    Close. Def if he made it 2500. I would likely peel.
     

    HJ opens 2500. CO, BTN, SB all call. I call in BB w K9o. 13.5 pot.

    953 rainbow. Chk,chk, CO 4k, fold, fold, I chkraise to 15k. HJ folds. CO tanks w 20k behind before folding a 5 face up for some reason.


    I really think we should just call here. Are we trying to make better hands fold or worse hands call?
  7. Open to 600 w ATo in HJ

    BTN (old white lady reg) and BB call. 2200 pot

    K79 rainbow. Chk around

    8x. I 700, BTN 2k. Only I call. 6200 pot

    J. I check and she checks DAMNIT

    She had 79.

    I believe I played every street wrong. Well done, lurch. Asshole.


    I like every street except river actually. Flop is fine to either bet or check. Def bet headsup, def check 4+ handed imo.

    BTN checking flop is not great.

    We need to bet river bc old lady generally will be too scared to bet anything but a chop. Check-raise also doesn’t do much good bc if she does bet set or 2p she almost always folds to the c/r, so we don’t get value but we do get completely stacked the blue moons she has QT.
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  8. 4 hours ago, WBT said:

    Were you listening to the dude's story, Donny?  The other guy had him covered.

    Or, OR, maybe just MAYBE, he was down to one ante after the hand and blinded out while doing his YAY I SUCKED OUT dance. Ever think of that?!?

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  9. Lol yeah I’ve seen guys in the A9 guy situation rooting for a 9 bc three nines beats three fives obv.

    And the $220 bet by A9 is a great example of the awful plays people make to protect their hand and “win the pot”, which only get called when they are righteously fucked like this guy was.

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  10. 2 minutes ago, Lurch said:

    $3k not $300 right?

    Looks like $22-2300 to me. I think you missed the tone in "slightly more" than $300.

    And it's odd, you would expect Sat to be the softest game, but you're crushing the weekdays. Do you think the weekends have more serious players for some reason?

  11. 15 hours ago, Lurch said:

    Several hands later, I check my option in BB w K9o.

    6 way w $12 pot

    K98 ssx. UTG seat 3 leads out $20. Here we go. Shorty in seat 7 shoves his $27. I call and UTG calls. $93 pot

    Qd. I check, UTG makes it $60. I shove, he snaps.... also K9. We chop the remaining $40. Dammit

    Thanks for doing this!! Fun read, well played. My comments on several hands. As always, just as my perspective for discussion, rather than some grading/critique lol. Always feel the need to give that disclaimer. Except for that QQ hand that was your first one. That was an abortion ha.

    K9 hand above, I actually prefer raising flop. It's funny, because you raise a bit more often for protection/value than I do, but I'm definitely raising this flop. Too many turn cards we hate, too many opponents. Given that it was a limped pot pre, I'm leading from the BB here, unless I know I have an aggro behind. Make a note that UTG is limping K9 UTG, that's pretty ugly. Also that he bet 1.67 pot with top 2. 

    15 hours ago, Lurch said:

    4 limps to my BTN w QhQd. I make it $15, BB and all four limpers call. Oh.

    6 way to flop w $90 pot.Ts 8s 4d. Checks to CO who makes it $12. I just saw him do this earlier but don’t know what it means yet. I make it $45. HJ and CO call. $225 pot

    7c. Checks to me. HJ has $55 and CO has $130. I go $75 thinking CO may shove. HJ calls but HJ folds.

    Kc and HJ says I win.$430 stack now
     

    I prob raise a bit bigger on flop. Him betting $12 into $90 feels like someone going for a cheap draw. I assume HJ has a spade draw, lol at check-coldcalling 45 of his 100 on the flop. When I play this hand, HJ tables K2ss.

    15 hours ago, Lurch said:

    One limp to me in CO w AKo. I make it $10. SB and limper call. $30 pot.

    789. Check to me. $15, they fold

    I'm usually checking this one 3 ways, as anyone with a card between 5 and J is usually calling our bet, but you won the pot where I may not have.

    14 hours ago, Lurch said:

    Rough run. River the nut flush but it also gave shorty a boat. Then run AK oop into KQ on a Q high board. He called my cbet then bet turn and river low. Had to pay him off

    Will talk about this a bit more later, but not knowing the actual board or villain, I will say calling two bets with ace high after someone called the flop is often torching money here. An exception could be a runout like 9h8h 3c 3s 4s where there are so many draws villain could have. Also if he's making smaller bets, those tend to be value bets unless your opp is savvy enough to go up a level and bluff small b/c he knows you will think it is value.

    14 hours ago, Lurch said:

    UTG w 22. I.... limp? 2 more limp then BB makes it $15. We all call. $60 pot. 992. Hey-ooooooo

    BB makes it $17, I call, others fold. $94 pot.

    5. He checks w $100 behind. I make it $25 and he just calls.

    8. He checks and I start counting chips. He holds his stack over the table so I know he’s ready to call my shove. I do, he does. He steam shows his AA when I flip the boat.

    I would actually open this, ha. I will limp behind other limpers, but I basically never open-limp. I'd go a tiny bit bigger on turn to make calling a river jam a bit easier for him. We should def jam river even if he doesn't telegraph (I'm actually kind of surprised he called after that move, usually the show of "OH I AM SO READY TO CALL" is weakness trying to get you not to bet).

    14 hours ago, Lurch said:

    Two limpers, I follow w 33 in MP. HJ makes it $11. First limper and I call. $36 pot.

    567. Checks to HJ. He $20, only I call.

    K. Check to HJ. He confidently fires $50 and I fold. On flop call, I thought maybe AT+ and hoped he’d check turn allowing me to bluff river if I missed

    Yeah, I like this. We can also steal the pot a lot if an 8 or 9 turns. 

    13 hours ago, Lurch said:

    4 limps to me w 8c5c on BTN. Sooner says limp! We go 7 way to $14 pot. Qh7h2d. MP makes it $10. Sooner says fold! We do

    WP! 🤣

    13 hours ago, Lurch said:

    Two limps to me in CO w A5o. I make it $12. Only first limper calls. $27 pot. 889. He checks, I $20, he folds 33 face up. THIS. THIS RIGHT HERE

    Ni han ni han.

    13 hours ago, Lurch said:

    MP opens to $7. I call SB w A4o. BB joins.

    Tc5c5s. I think about buying this one. It’s pretty standard. I pass and check to BB. He bets $15. Yep. MP calls. They get to river before BB gives up and MP flips quad 5s. Well played, lurch

    I actually haaaaaate this preflop call. I can tolerate it on BTN, or if this is suited. But calling raggedy offsuit aces out of position is eccckkk. Fold >> 3b to $24 >>>>> call imo.This is a pretty sweet flop to try to rep tho, good job not doing it!

    13 hours ago, Lurch said:

    2 limps to me in CO w 53hh. I make it $12 and get 5 callers. Oops. $72 pot. Tc7c6s. Checks to me. $40 and they all fold.

    Another pot you won that I don't. Pre is generally marginal, but good given the right opps which it appears you did. I'm nevvvvvvvver betting this flop here into 5 opponents. It smashes their calling ranges, and I just never would expect to get through, plus if we check back and peel a 4 that's some Yahtzee. 

    12 hours ago, Lurch said:

    Three limps to me w 43ss on BTN. I make it $15 and get 4 callers. $62 pot. J85s rainbow. BB leads out w $20. Two fold then I call. Kc. He checks, I $55 and he snap shoves $125.

    Oops.

    Don't like this. Pre is whatever, we can pop it or limp, cool. But when BB leads out into 4 players on this board, what are we calling with? We have a backdoor 4 hi flush board and a draw to 4th pair. Calling here to take it away later on a board where not that much is going to scare him off I can't see as possibly profitable. I'd much rather call with something like A7s with a backdoor flush draw, where we can turn top pair, turn an OESD, turn a NFD and actually have some equity in the hand. On the turn, I do like the bet when he checks. Oops.

    12 hours ago, Lurch said:

    Two limps then HJ makes it $12. W AJo, I go $35 in CO. Others fold, he calls. $75 pot

    567. He checks, I $50, he folds and says good hand. No sir, I’m not showing. $345

    I love the 3b against HJs who like to iso limpers. I don't like the 3b against HJs who are just playing their own cards.

    12 hours ago, Lurch said:

    Three limps to me w J8o on BTN. I’ll try this limp strat again. $12 pot.

    T64 rainbow. Checks around. 8. First limper makes it $10. Only I call. 7. Chk chk and he shows T4. Oh.

    Shoulda raised my BTN pre

    So that guy wasn't a blind? He limped T4o voluntarily? Make a note! And you saved some cheddah, I am value betting $12-15 on river when he checks.

    12 hours ago, Lurch said:

    UTG+1 (new 30ish white guy reg w $300) limps. I $12 in UTG+2 w KJo. Only he calls. $28 pot.

    TT5. He checks. I decide he won’t buy a cbet and would rather see a free turn. Chk.

    8. He checks, I $15 and he folds.

    I often use a "delayed c-bet" so you don't have your opponents see your c-bet range as 100% and start playing back. This guy has no image of you, so I'd just bet this specific flop, since he has not much continuing range, but this is good too.

    12 hours ago, Lurch said:

    4 limpers to my KJo BTN. I $16 and get 5 callers. Hmm. $98 pot

    K85 rainbow. UTG+1 makes it $17? I $50. Only he calls. $200 pot.

    J. He checks w $125 behind, I $50. He folds.

    Next hand

    Straddle. UTG+1 (seat 9, old Asian reg) calls. Folds to me in CO w KQo. I $20. Others fold and they call. $64 pot.

    K54. Checks to me. I $30, UTG folds and UTG+1 makes it $60. Says ‘good fold’

    4. He $80. I call.

    2. He $140 w $200 more behind.

    KJ hand - I would just call flop here. As opposed to the K9 hand above: 1) our hand is weaker; 2) less scary turn cards. By raising, we are getting him to fold a lot of the stuff we beat, but he's never folding anything that beats us. Trying to figure out WTF he called the 50 on the flop with but folds turn? 

    KQ hand - you mention that y'all have history, and you put a decent amount of bluffs in his range. That's fair, but I feel like calling KQ here is the same as calling like 99. He's just not doing this with less for value, so it's a question of how much he's bluffing. And what hands is he check-minraising flop with as a bluff? Exactly 67? If he is doing this with other bluff hands, one likely candidate is A3 which got there. I don't see him limp calling K5 or K4 (oops), but would think 44, 55, 45 are all very reasonable value candidates. If we think he is able to check-minraise on flop as a bluff, hands like A4 or 43 are also possible, and they also get there. I think we have to fold river unless we really think villain is both capable of check-minraising flop as a bluff, then continuing with two more barrels, and is overbluffing river.  You went $20 pre, then called a check-raise on flop and 80 on turn. What's he think you have? You have all the AK, AA, and even KK in your range and he persists.

    11 hours ago, Lurch said:

    UTG+1 limps. I make it $10 w 88 in CO. BTN was already reaching for chips and snap calls. BB and UTG call. $42 pot.
    K95. I’m a bit suspicious of BTN and check through. He also checks. 4. BB and UTG check so I’m probably good. Bet $20 and they all fold.

    NH. Another example where checking flop gets us a free card and free information. Would check this flop and bet K75.

    11 hours ago, Lurch said:

    HJ opens to $7. I $20 w AQo. BTN calls and HJ calls. $64 pot.
    Ks4s2d. HJ chk, I $35, BTN folds. HJ calls. $130 pot.
    Qc. Chk chk
    5s. He bets $60 and I don’t have a spade. I fold but don’t love it.

     

    11 hours ago, October sky said:

    Depending on stack sizes I would bet the turn. He can easily have a middle pair here or a draw. As played I would probably fold the river there also. 

    I like checking the turn to keep our range and villain's range wide. He raise-called pre, and called a more than 1/2 pot bet on flop. When we bet turn, we are bloating the pot with a medium hand, he's never ever folding anything that beats us, his calling very little we beat other than stuff like a nut flush draw or maybe like QJss he can have. 

    Checking turn also induces him to bluff rivers, which we can then call. We need some hands that check turn to balance the hands we are giving up with. Otherwise he can just bet every river when we check turn, since check turn = give up. This river though completes the most likely draw, plus a couple of unlikely gutters that he could maybe peel flop with esp with a backdoor flush draw. Unless I have a read that villain likes to bluff, he has to have a good king or better, and often a flush, and so I'm folding. Gold star if we have the As and go $200 on river.

    10 hours ago, Lurch said:

    Straddle. UTG+1 makes it $10. I $25 in UTG+2 w AKo. Only he calls. $54 pot. 
    883. Chk chk. 7. He $25 I call. Q. Chk chk and he folds to my Ace high

    This is a good board to call a bet with AK. Bad river since the most likely hand we beat was AQ. We should fold if he bets river. I have an awful habit of just turning my hand over here in your spot when he checks as a check, but it's much better to just check without tabling first, since he will have to show first, and we would love to know what he's raise-calling and betting this turn with. Also if he shows us a hand we beat, we don't have to show that we're capable of calling turn on 8873 with ace high.

    10 hours ago, Lurch said:

    Two limps to SB who goes $10. I take it to $25 w AQo. One limper and SB call. $77 pot.
    K98. Check, I $40, limper folds, SB calls.
    4. Chk chk
    4. He $50. I call and he shows AA. It’s time to call it a night.

    Do not like this at all. What is SB raise-calling pre, then check-calling $40 on flop with that loses to AQ here? He would have to be small-raising out of position with like JT or T7 or 76 right? 

    This was really useful, thanks again! I think we kind of had a draw on the limp/raise issue. I think you got your c-bets through more often than I would have thought, and the limpers called the raises more often than you would have thought. 

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  12. 2 minutes ago, Lurch said:

    Remember, I would have gauged  the table to determine what bet size was likely to get me heads up or 3-way.  I'm not trying to induce folds from everyone.  Generally, the blinds are gone, the original limper calls (quite often because he's not a good player, thus the open limp) and one/none of the subsequent limpers comes along as they were only in it because they thought it was going to be a cheap flop.

    I have to play KK/AA the same way, of course.  Don't see any alternative because I'm certainly not limping now!

    Right, but sometimes it's our first orbit, or the first time we've seen this player limp, etc., so we have to have a default plan. Sometimes we are way off and make it $10 and everyone folds or $15 and we go 5 to the flop.

    Ha, nope, I don't advocate limping KK/AA behind on the button. 😁

  13. Just now, Lurch said:

    I refuse to believe such a $1/2 table exists!

    (only slightly kidding)

    Maybe this is part of the disconnect! In 1/2 games I play or deal, loose passives rule the day and lots of these hands are peeling a normal-sized c-bet on the flop. Against a bunch of weak-tights that are folding everything but top pair, then yeah, I'm raising over limpers basically everything playable and c-betting 80%+ of the time because you're printing.

  14. 9 minutes ago, Lurch said:

    One of those dudes is usually folding. And, that equity doesn’t include fold equity which is a critical factor in this discussion. I’m riding that BTN for all it’s worth.

     

    Yes, cbet all flops until table teaches me I can’t. At that point it will depend on what I know of the other players, but my default is to cbet

     

    Flatting an open/call, which to me is a very different situation than a limped to BTN. THIS is the set mining I’m gung-ho about

     

     

     

     

    In games I've played and dealt, I think it needs to be $15 to start getting folds most of the time. If you're in a game where people consistently limp-fold to $12, cool, but like what are we doing with KK or AA here then? 

    The equity is still how our hand is doing against theirs, meaning we really don't "have the best hand".  Even against two total random hands, we only have 36%. And we we raise, we gain fold equity, but also our hand is doing worse against their ranges, because they are folding the bottom of their ranges, so we are going against the top of our range. 

    I think c-betting KQ9 or some such with 44 against two limp-callers is likely suicide, but it's table-dependent, like most things.

  15. 3 minutes ago, Lurch said:

    Is it bluffing when you have the best hand? Because your 44 is more often than not the best hand pre when you’re limped to on the button. When checked to on the flop, your bet is a semi bluff at worst. And, again, quite likely the best hand.

     

    Ehhh, against the two limping ranges I showed earlier we have 33% equity 3 ways with 44. 

    Are you c-betting all flops? I think there are a lot of flops where we will have well under 33% equity against two limp-callers with 44. 

    I am curious as to your plan if it goes $12-call in front of you and you have 44 on button. Flat or 3b?

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