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  1. 51 minutes ago, Lurch said:

    So if we’re limping behind w 44 on the button, what is the rest of our button limp behind range?

    Offsuit connectors, 22-66 or so, some suited kings, offsuit broadways, lower suited connectors and one/two gappers. Against tricky/trappy tables I will limp most of my button hands here that I really wanna see the flop with, like suited aces, etc. 

    22 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

    Exactly.  So basically you're bluffing.  I like to do that situationally, and it usually works out, but I'm typically not looking to inflate the pot with a small pocket pair unless I hit the flop.  

     

    Although I will concede that if you have a weak/passive table, I'll do it a lot more.  The tables I was playing at WSOP and Aria this weekend were not weak, nor were they passive, so that is probably coloring my take here a bit.

    Totally agree that on some tables, raising is CLEARLY the best play. Where people see too many flops, and also fold too many flops, you are printing money raising and c-betting. My default is to limp, and I think limping is clearly best on tables that players are tricky/trappy, and/or really sticky post-flop. Lurch's example hand where he c-bets J63 and gets a fold is great, but when 55, AT, Q9 with a backdoor flush draw are all calling, we are in a bad spot on the turn. If those hands all fold the flop, then yep, awesome, we should be doing exactly that.

    20 minutes ago, CBT said:

    Sooner and Lurch making great points as always. In cash games I tend to lean more towards Lurch's opinion with 44 on the button. It's real close however. Like 77+ I'm 100% raising over limpers. 66-22 I may be more inclined to limp behind on button depending on villians in hand. Arguing 96o vs 44 has its merits, however 44 plays easier/better versus typical villains' limp/calling ranges. Generally speaking. 

    Yeah, the higher the pocket pair, the better raising is. We have more boards we like and we dominate more of our opponents' range (the difference in equity for example between 44 and 77 against a hand like 86s or A5s). I was being a bit exaggerated with 96o, but if you told me: $1/2 cash game, $200 stack depth, you went $12 pre over 2 limps and got 2 callers, you're on button, would you rather have J9s or 44, I will take J9s for sure. 

  2. 9 minutes ago, Lurch said:

    You’re not “into it for” anything. What you’ve contributed to a pot is never interesting.

    3rd pair is fantastic when they’re chasing draws and folding irrelevant suited connectors and missed sets.

     

    Yeah, I didn't comment on it earlier, but you mentioned this very accurately on AUS-HORN's hand. "Invested in" isn't a good way to think of any poker hand. For example, if you're 8 handed, playing 400/800 blinds, lots of players will over defend the BB if playing BB ante, since they are "in it for 1600", though you should be playing exactly the same as you are if it was 400/800/100.  

    Current pot size, remaining stacks, current equity, number of outs to improve, equity if you improve, how much you can win if you improve all matter. How much you personally have put in the pot does not.

    5 minutes ago, Lurch said:

     


    I’d guess it would be declared a misdeal for a fouled deck. No one could trust the rest of the deck so it wouldn’t be fair to players in the hand

     

    Yep yep.

  3. 17 hours ago, Lurch said:

    It’s highly unlikely that $25 is needed here. I’d guess $10-15 probably does the trick at most $1/2 tables. If $25 was required, I’d probably sit on my hands and just wait for AK, QQ+ because apparently it’s a stupid loose $1/2 game and I’m getting paid.

    I’m not trying to steal $7, but I don’t mind that occasional outcome from a $10-15 raise.

    I assume I’ll outplay my opponents post flop when I have the button and am the aggressor. The equity calculations need to include a lot of fold equity from my opponents (again, in $1/2)

    In my playing and dealing experience, $10 is going at least 3 ways every time, depending on what the blinds do. $15 will often do it, but that starts to get to the point where our risk outweighs our reward in many games.

    What would you do if it went $10-call in front of you and we are btn with 44? Are you flatting the $10 or 3b? 

    The equity calcs are just showing that we don't have an equity advantage over our opponents' range with 44, so we need to consider why we are raising 44 but not, say, 96o or K4s. 

    I agree we add fold equity when we raise, but we also open ourselves up to a 3b, and we are also isolating against the strongest parts of our opponents' range with a hand that isn't doing that great against the entirety of the range.

    15 hours ago, Irieguy said:

    Sooner did a great job explaining the rationale and benefits of calling with small pocket pairs. Lurch, your logic in other areas is impeccable but your aversion to multiway pots is too great. I suggest trying to re-read his posts without worrying so much about multiway pots. He has lots of great points. 

    Thanks! I agree that Lurch has a very solid poker mind, and I feel stronger about my tourney strategy than my cash, so to be clear, I am offering discussion to help everyone, including myself, rather than thinking I am offering any kind of "official" answer ha.

    The aversion to multi-way pots I think is a partial manifestation of a mistake every player makes from time to time - worrying about winning pots instead of winning money. I made an error in a game that illustrates it so well, I used it as part of my 2p2 username to remind myself. I was playing a 4/8 limit game 15 years ago, and literally everyone limped to me in the big blind. I had AcAs. I just checked, after all, why bother raising, if no one was going to fold?  Raising wouldn't help me win the pot. BUT, it absolutely would have helped me win MONEY.  I had about 35% equity in the pot. That feels shitty if you're focused on winning the pot. OMG I'm gonna lose 2/3 of the time! But, when you are putting in 10% of the money, and getting 35% back, that's an absolutely phenomenal situation. By raising, I'm putting $4 in, and on average getting $14 back (35% of the extra $40 in the pot when I raise). It's SUCH a clear raise but many players don't do it. 

    You see this concept in action every time some guy makes it 5-10x pre with JJ. They win the pot a lot, but it is a small pot, and then they get stacked on the times when someone has QQ+.

    Same here. Lurch's strategy of raising wins the POT more often than my strategy of usually calling does. But I think my strategy makes more money over the long run. I often am just folding the flop, losing $2. Lurch is losing $40 on this hand waaayyy more often than I am, by losing after raising pre and c-betting flop. You have to win a lot of money to make up those $40 losses. 

    I would look at it like this:

    If we ARE going to flop a set, we want as many opponents as possible, so we can get paid. If the flop is going to come K74, we want someone to have a king. That's more likely with 4 opponents than with one. That's offset somewhat by the fact that the pot is bigger when Lurch flops a set. So when his opponent misses, at least he got the preflop bet. We also want to be able to get in by the river, which is why I like raising more when we are deeper, b/c we need a better SPR ratio to be able to get in by the river.If we ARE NOT going to flop a set, in most situations the hand is going to be difficult to play, even headsup, unless our opponents make the mistakes I described before, where they see too many flops and then fold too many flops. But say the flop is T-7-2. We are headsup. You bet $20 into $35 and get called. Turn is a 5, opp checks. Are you giving up? Barreling the turn? If we check, we are often giving a free card to hands like AJ or 89, or losing the opportunity to push hands like 87, 55, or 66 out of the hand. But betting continues to bloat the pot with 3rd pair when we are also beat a reasonable amount of the time (again why opp postflop tendency is HUGE in deciding how to play pre).

    What if a K or A comes on the turn instead, are we now going to turn our hand into a bluff to try to get him to fold a ten?

    Or take this actual hand. If the flop was QT3 instead of QT4, we would have folded to the BB's bet, despite the fact that we have the best hand.

    Since 44 is going to be hard to play when we do not flop a set regardless of number of opponents, we should work on maximizing the money we make when we do flop a set.

     

  4. I do love Cosmo, but not cheap and more party vibe than Aria IMO. So many great food options at Cosmo (all also easily reachable from either Park or Aria). 

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    Speaking of food options, holy shit is Hash House at Rio terrible.  Only had 45 min before the daily deepstack started, so we ate there.  Just awful.  That entire hotel needs to be torn down, which is what is going to happen based on the chatter I heard at the tables over there.  People are saying that the WSOP is going from the Rio to the Linq convention space that is currently under construction and that the Rio is doomed to be imploded to make way for something else.

    What did you get? I like HHaGG pretty well. And yeah, strong likelihood this is the last WSOP at Rio. Either the Convention Center if it's ready, or if it's not ready next year, maybe one year at Caesars, then next year to the CC.

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  5. 12 minutes ago, utee05 said:

    Going Labor Day weekend for my sis in laws 30th bday. She has never been to Vegas but we have been quite a few times. Since it is their first time they prefer to stay somewhere on the strip. Any recs on places to stay? Been about 5 years since we stayed on the strip.

    How would you rank the importance of price vs. location? Prefer upscale vibe, party vibe, depressing vibe?

  6. I meant to mention bet sizing when saying we should be evaluating our opponents when deciding to limp or raise here. The size of raise that will achieve your goal in your game matters a ton. I don't want to have to raise to $25 over 2 limpers to win $7 with 44. The negative implied odds are too large when we run into a monster in the blinds or in the limper's hand, and when we get called, now we are playing guessing games, hating basically every flop except ones with a 4 on them, or the rare 332 or 235 or whatever. 

    In your game, if a more reasonable open size gets you headsup with a single player or maybe two who will then overfold the flop, awesome. 

    But, to me, in a cash game, the real value of a baby pair is winning a huge pot when we stack someone with a set. If we are raising to $25 in hopes just to win the $7, we don't even need the 44 right? Might as well be doing that with A2o, Q9s, 74o, etc. You say "you are pulling names out of a hat to see who wins" if you limp. But in that spot, when you lose, you usually lose $2, and when you win, you often win a medium pot, and sometimes win a huge pot. So pulling names is bigly profitable for you.

    We should be raising when we have a big equity advantage, and I don't think 44 is crushing either opponents' range, so we are often bloating the pot when we don't have an edge. I assigned the first limper a range of all pairs 99 and below, all suited aces AJs and below, all offsuit aces AQ and below, all broadways (except KQs), K9s, Q9s, J9s-86s, T9s-45s, T9o-87o, second limper same range but included 75s, 64s, 76o, and K9o.  We have 33.5% equity in a 3 way pot. Giving the blinds 2 random hands, we have 20.3% equity in a 5 way pot. So our equity is basically completely neutral in a 3 way pot or a 5 way pot. We don't gain money by forcing the blinds out (in fact we lose some b/c we isolate against the top of their range), and we don't lose money by keeping the blinds in.  We still win our fair share of pots either way.

    If you are saying, "in my game the limpers are looser", it still barely matters. Giving the 2 limpers totally random hands (they are limping their T2o, 83o, 25o, etc.) we have 36.7% in a 3 way pot. We just aren't beating their preflop range big enough to raise to win the pot right now, only if they are making significant postflop mistakes IMO. By contrast, against 2 random hands, JTs is 41.9%, KJo is 43%, AJs is 48.1%. To compare pairs, 77 has 46.4% and 99 has 53.5% equity. All of those hands are much better to raise here than 44, both b/c our edge is bigger but even more importantly, they flop better, and are more likely to have much more equity on flops. T73 flop against QT, we still win a decent amount of the time with KJ or AJ, but 44 is forked. 

  7. 23 hours ago, Lurch said:

    Soooooo much going on w this hand.

    For me, I’m mostly anti-limp. If it’s good enough to limp, it’s good enough to raise. Plus, we don’t want 5-way pots. Set mining w a small pair I get limping with, BUT not on button, imo. Anyway, I’m taking the action to $10-15 preflop, depending on what number will get me just one or two callers based off of how I’ve learned the various players are reacting to raises.

    I’d expect several pairs and straight draws on that flop. I like your raise. I probably would have gone $35, but your $45 worked so more value for you!

    On turn, we have a $100 pot and you bet $100? Were you trying to get a fold? Again, great it worked for you (more value!) but seems pretty risky long term. I’d go $65 here.

    On river, we have a boat. I’m playing for stacks every damn time.

    What does his bet tell us? Would he ever think that’s an effective bluff, especially given your remaining stack and bet history? Probably not. It appears to be a value bet, so we think he has something he thinks is a winner. I’d see trip Ts and possibly flush, both of which would be hard for him to get away from at this point if you shove.

    This is where you could do the combo evaluations to see the math. How many combos of flushes and trip Ts could he have played this way? How many combos of boats and quads could he have played this way? I think there are many more of the former, so in the long run you’ll be more profitable shoving than calling (and NEVER folding!) in this situation. Sure, sometimes he’ll have it, but mostly he won’t...

    I think limping behind can be fine, especially with speculative hands in position like this one. What are we trying to accomplish when we raise 44 over limpers here? We don't care that much about winning the blinds and limps (obv this is different in a tourney, where the blinds/limps are a much bigger stack boost). 

    I would tend to RAISE the 44 here if: my opponents are fit/fold on the flop, and/or we are deep stacked. 

    I would tend to CALL the 44 here if: my opponents are sticky pre/postflop, and/or we are shallower stacked.

    For example, we go $15 pre, and everybody calls. Now there is a $75 pot and we have $180 behind. Let's say the flop is T93r. Checks to us. Are we betting? That's a lot of opponents to hope fold on a board like this, but checking lets everyone draw at overcards for free.  To me, a huge test is if we bet $30 into $75 here, what are our villains doing with hands like AJ with a backdoor flush draw or 66? If they are generally calling them, betting is just going to bloat the pot. It also means winning without a set is going to be hard, and therefore I don't think raising pre wins money against these opponents. If they are generally folding them, our opponents may be overfolding, so we are making money by raising pre, because they are folding too much equity post.

    On stack depth, I want to be able to get in by the river if we flop a set. So playing 1/2 if we are $200 deep, I'm more OK calling, if we are $500 deep, I like raising.

    21 hours ago, Lurch said:

    Looks like villain was in BB and just checked his option pre w AJs vs 4 limpers. He definitely should raise here, imo.

    On flop, I like his lead and sizing since everyone just limped. I like to do this in my BB a lot when everyone just limped, even w total air I board is weak. Once you made it $45, he’s being asked to pay $35 to win $100+. Not a bad call.

    Turn gave him 15 outs if he had you on a pair of Q, so he thinks he’ll hit a winner 30% of the time. You asked him to pay $100 to win $300+, so I like this call too.

    It’s interesting to me that both your flop and turn bets felt too big to me, but they were actually perfectly sized for his holding.

    Similar analysis to whether villain should raise his AJs. His hand plays fine either short-handed or multiway. I would be raising AJhh on the button over limpers more than 44, just because it plays better post. Out of position, I would almost never raise 44 from the BB over limpers unless we are super deep, or villains play super bad. I would raise the AJhh much more often, mainly only checking if the first limper plays sneaky/trappy, or one of the limpers has like $50 and may just jam over my raise. 

    Flop call of the raise by BB is fairly marginal, and would be bad IMO without the backdoor NFD, but fine. One thing he has to watch for on the turn in counting outs is that an Ace for him completes the open-ender of KJ, which we can certainly have. He needs to discount the aces as outs for sure. Also, he hits a pretty gin river in his mind, and then only bets $50 into a $300+ pot. He needs to get paid more on the river when he hits to add enough implied odds to call turn, since he doesn't have correct direct odds.

    20 hours ago, Bookman said:

    When he said "I'll gamble with you" I thought he had Q-10, K-J, J-9, or possibly (not likely) 10-10. Maybe Q-K, Q-J, Q-9, but to be honest the range I was playing against was Q-10, K-J, and J-9. He bet the pot into three people. To me that looks like he's trying to build a pot with a strong hand or bluffing with a straight draw.

    I wasn't sure if he'd call the $100 turn bet, but if he had K-J or J-9 I wanted to make him pay. At these card houses in San Antonio these guys call huge bets when they're chasing. When he called I thought he might've picked up a flush draw.

    When the river came, the speech completely threw me off. I thought it was Q-10 (maybe quads?) or he backdoored a flush.

    To be honest, if we were deeper and he shoved I probably would have folded.

    You need a really good read to fold a hand this strong. Speeches are scary for sure, but your hand beats hands that players will see as monsters. Also we have to evaluate if his story matches the hands we are scared of. Most players on this board are playing QT or TT more aggressively before the river, and TT most likely raises pre. He never has QQ. 

    20 hours ago, Bookman said:

    By the way, the table yesterday was interesting. It was pretty standard for people to bet at least the pot after the flop. Makes chasing difficult unless there are multiple callers.

    I checked from the BB once with K-J offsuit. Flop was J-5-7 rainbow, and this guy bets $20 into an $8 pot. I just folded. Too nitty?

    I'm never letting this go to a single bet without a huge read on the player, especially given your statement that this type of betting is "pretty standard" in this game.

    18 hours ago, goatsaag said:

    Wouldn't this be $35 to win $65 and $100 to win $200? Those feel like bad calls into what I feel like were over bets (I'd think $30-35 for the first and $60-75 for the second).

    There are 2 different ways to express odds, both are correct, you just have to make sure to not mix them to get the wrong odds. Take the turn one from the BB's perspective, since the math is easy. We are being laid $200 to $100 is one way to look at it. Since we are being laid 2 to 1, we need 33.3% to win. Another way to look at it is we are putting in $100 of a $300 pot. That means we are putting in 1/3 of the money, so we need, yep, 33.3% to win. Sometimes players mix these, and say oh i'm being laid $300 to $100, so we need 25% to win. 

    To have direct odds on the turn we need 33.3% equity in the pot. Since the bet isn't all-in, we have to consider what will happen on the river. Say we have a marginal made hand on the turn, say, JT, where we think we have 33.3% equity against our opponent's range. We should be more inclined to fold, since we have reverse implied odds. We are unlikely to improve our hand (we will improve on the actual river here obviously, but we only have 5 outs to improve, and are drawing dead against some of our opponent's range like QT and 44), and will often face another big bet on the river. 

    If, instead, we have a hand like BB actually has, you have better implied odds to call. We have 11 outs to the pure nuts, and 2 other very good outs, and 3 more that are occasionally good. If we improve, we almost certainly win the pot, so we can win more on the river (as discussed above, we need a better plan than donking 1/6 pot when we river the nut flush, but that's a different story).  If we don't improve, we can pretty happily fold to a river bet, and be less concerned about folding the best hand than when we fold JT or whatever.

     

  8. Fun hand! You’ll get better feedback if you just describe the hand up to the decision point to avoid “results oriented” advice. Easy to say “hell yeah raise” now that we know his hand.

    That said, I would definitely jam river over his bet. On this board, opponents can give the “speech” with a flush or even a ten on occasion.

    Most, but not all, opponents would have played QT more aggressively on flop or turn on a pretty wet board.

  9. Aria is currently running a series, usually with a $400-500 noon and a $240 7 pm. Register early to avoid alternate lists.

    Currently series at Wynn, Planet Hollywood, Venetian, Orleans, Golden Nugget, and Binions in addition to WSOP stuff.

    Wynn and Venetian are the best. Planet Hollywood is super soft but can be disorganized with some weak dealers. Orleans and Nugget both have good mixed games and a very nicely structured $150 NLHE.

    Vegas-Poker-schedule.com is a great site where you can see every tourney every day. Can click on them to get structure sheets. For NLHE, it lists S-points which is a measure of how deep the structure is.

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  10. Having dealt the occasional shift for a while now, I can tell you the machinations you describe are trickier than it appears while sitting as a player.

    It doesn’t help that you often have like 4 people barking instructions, which are incorrect about 25% of the time.

    One thing that I do, and appreciate from dealers, is announcing what I’m doing when building pots or when we have multiple pots at showdown: “OK, I am going to pull in $75 from every stack, that’s our main pot, the rest is on the side between you three” or I’d say the bet was $200 and a guy is allin for $180, three ways “OK, $20 from both of you going on the side, headsup for that pot.”

    I hate when dealers start just cutting and shoveling chips around when it’s obvious they are lost in it. Just pause, speak what you’re doing, take an extra 3 seconds to get it right.

  11. Having dealt the occasional shift for a while now, I can tell you the machinations you describe are trickier than it appears while sitting as a player.

    It doesn’t help that you often have like 4 people barking instructions, which are incorrect about 25% of the time.

    One thing that I do, and appreciate from dealers, is announcing what I’m doing when building pots or when we have multiple pots at showdown: “OK, I am going to pull in $75 from every stack, that’s our main pot, the rest is on the side between you three” or I’d say the bet was $200 and a guy is allin for $180, three ways “OK, $20 from both of you going on the side, headsup for that pot.”

    I hate when dealers start just cutting and shoveling chips around when it’s obvious they are lost in it. Just pause, speak what you’re doing, take an extra 3 seconds to get it right.

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  12. 1 hour ago, Lurch said:

     


    He was paying 300 to win 900. Pretty standard call, I would think. Sooner had likely established himself as legit on the table, so guy knew Sooners range was wider than avg player. Also, I don’t think we know how deep guy was, but obviously it’s even easier the deeper he is.

     

    Yeah, his play was standard, it just sucks that he hit his 7% river in such a massive equity spot for me. My range is narrow there when I'm opening UTG off a 22 BB stack, but AK is still ahead of it. And yeah, once he 3bets (both 3b and call are fine in his shoes, I would generally 3b), no way he can fold AK getting 2 to 1. I'm 4b jamming 99+, AQ there (against this guy, against others, I would 4b jam a bit snugger).

    Just felt like this tourney was going my way, for the first time in forever, and it would have been a realllly nice one to make a real run in. Instead, feel like I used up a lot of rungood on top of playing very well, and profited literally ten dollars for all of it. I covered 25% of the dinner I ate at the table on Day 1D. 

  13. That $3Mil seems ambitious.  I know as the week goes on the number of runners get higher, but reading the rules, for the Venetian to actually make money, there need to be 3,080 entrants.
    But I guess day 1A ended up being a little less than 1/5th of that number.  So maybe they will get to the 3,100 entrant level.
     
    also, I know the "winner" pool amount varies by tournament, is it still roughly 10% of the total prize pool to the winner?  or has that number bounced around from 8-12%?


    They crushed the guarantee on this same tourney last year and 1A this year was a little bigger than 1A last year. 1D had over 1800 runners.

    Now, they had more tables last year bc they did it in the convention center. They’ve been tweeting to tell people to play A and/or B if possible and to buy in early. Prepare to hear bleating and whining about long lines and alternate lists Wed and Thu lol.

    Amount to 1st will always vary depending on field size. Smaller fields will have a much bigger chunk to 1st. For the MSPT, last year they had 4400 entries, a $4.3M prizepool, and $495K up top. Should be same ballpark this year.

    Guessing like $1.2M up top for the Fitty.
  14. 15 hours ago, dirtonia said:

    What was the final entry number at? Heard it was over 26k and they were turning folks down.

    They haven't officially announced yet, but yeah over 26k. No one got actually turned down, but several had to wait hours to get in. I busted my first bullet at 12:30, luckily I had already gotten a credit card verified, so I could buy my next bullet online and print it at a kiosk. I was in the line to get your seat assignments by 12:35 and back in the tourney around 2:30. If I hadn't already done the credit card thing, I would have had to wait in line to buy the seat then the line to get the assignment, so closer to 4 or 4:30. 

    We had over 9,000 in flight D, with over 2,000 surviving to Day 2 Tuesday with about 1350 of us getting paid. So far through the first 3 Day 2s, about 1050 have made Day 3.  I would expect about 500 more to make Day 3 from Day 2D, so about 1600 when we consolidate for Day 3 Wednesday. 

    Need to keep the rungood activated!

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  15. So I am actually a bit confused, I thought ultimate low meant best possible low on both boards combined? or is the low the best possible low on 1 single board, no matter which one is lowest?
    it must be the 2nd because the villain actually has the wheel on the combined boards. 


    You don’t combine the boards. Having 10 community cards and 5 in your hand would be pure insanity. Whoever makes the lowest low on either board wins the low half.

    Wow day one at the wsop big 50 was a SHIT SHOW! I waited in the fast track line for over 2 hours. We I finally got to my seat I proceeded to lose ever fucking hand i played. I got down to 25k at 600-1200 and felt good  getting my money in with KK on a 678 flop( I had raised preflop to 3300 and small and big both called) king turn! and 2 river. Small blind announced straight at turns over 59 off suit. Sigh. 


    What time did you get in FasTrac line? I’m going to do it about 1 or 2 am tonight. If you rolled up within an hour of start time, yeahhh told you not to do that!

    We all agree that stacks of 10 should be a bannable offense, right?


    Dunno about bannable, but anyone with stacks of 10 gets the insta-fish label until shown otherwise.
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  16. Very nice! Man that “ultimate low” rule in the Big O bomb pots is tricky and I bet lots of people have gotten totally facefucked on that and not understood how they lost when they had the “nut low.”

    For those less familiar, as Bob said he had A2 and one board was 8-5-4. He had the nut low on that board. But say someone has A3 and the other board is Q-9-6-5-2.

    Bob has 8-5-4-2–A, villain has 6-5-3-2-A. So villain scoops the low pot despite hero having “nut low.”

  17. 6 hours ago, WBT said:

    Interesting, I've never seen 5-card Omaha H/L.  I have enough trouble being disciplined about not playing too many hands in regular Omaha H/L.

    Yeah, people play too many hands in Omaha 8 as it is, and they play waaayyy too many in Big O. Lots of family pots, even when I played a $600 Big O tourney at Venetian, amazing the crap people showed down.

    Sick game, one of the worst feelings I've had at a cash table was in a Big O game. 1/2 with 5 to bring in. I have A235Q with 2 suits (huge hand obv) and get it in for $500 each on a flop of 755 with 2 of my nut suit. So I have top trips, uncounterfeitable low draw, nut flush draw. We don't show and board runs out 7-7. So board is 77755. My trips are completely counterfeited, no low, no flush. My hand is 777AQ. I lose to my opp if he has a 7 or any pocket pair. I table my hand in a mix of shock and fury and he stares and shakes his head.  He had A345J, so he had the same trips, and a worse low draw, but now my 777AQ scoops his 777AJ lol.

    3 hours ago, po elvis said:

    yeah, they do them very rarely where I play. they wanted to do one and I was UTG. i told them to go ahead without me because i didn't want to be in a disadvantage from position. nobody else seems to care about that there.

    Yeah, no. That's why most places have a "bomb pot" button and a set rotation/time for them. 

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