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Posts posted by TXSooner518
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BB is away from table, MP limps, I complete SB with T3ss. 4k in pot. Flop T43hh. I ck he 1500, I jam 19.4k to rep a draw (last time I ck raise all in I had OESD) and he can never fold if he limped a monster but he folds.
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Two limps, I complete A3hh from SB. I ck call down against the same lady that went berserk on ace high flops twice before on A5Accs 6s 8d and get shown AJ. She can’t have JJ or QQ now? #cmonman. Still 24ish.
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Open KJ to 1200 UTG, loose caller, and guy who normally plays pretty big cash (bought in $4k in uncapped 1/3 last night) calls BB. Flop T98. Ck I ck loose bets 1700, BB call, I jam 10.4k, loose tank calls, BB tank jams, loose tank folds A9, BB has T8. Q ball on turn. Board pairs river but it’s a 9. Full triple to 35k. Leggggggo.
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Jam 3800 from CO with 33 at 200/400/400. BTN call he has A2hh. Such a bad call. 3h in window which is interesting but flop is QQ3 and we hold. Nice to get rewarded!
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Guy tilts after losing most of his stack, jams UTG for 3100 at 150/300/300 blind. Another guy calls the 3100. I have KQo in SB and fold. BB call. Flop Q hi. BB lead 3k, other guy folds 98o face up and BB wins with QJo.
Then guy just opens 3500 still at 150/300/300. I play bad and jam AKo knowing he has a pair always. He calls 10.3 total and says you’re ahead but he has 88 and holds. 6200 now. -
Two limps for 200, guy from SB goes 2125, UTG limper crams 9500, folds to SB who calls. He has ATo and UTG AA. AA holds. Then ATo who literally just took a dump on the table starts berating UTG about how bad limp reraising AA is.
I mean I don’t really like it either but I’ll take it all day errday over 10xing over 2 limpers with ATo then calling off a 47BB rip. JFC. -
This tourney so soft. I open A6s from CO to 250, both blinds defend. Flop A78 one of my suit. They check I 225, S.B. call, old lady in BB goes 1000, I call SB fold. Turn 5 of suit she 2500 I call. River Xx she ck I ck she JJ. Sweet play pre/flop/turn!
She later just crams QQ on an ace high board and gets snapped by AK.
She re-enters and now opens JJ to 2100 at 100/200, BB defend. KQ5 ck ck. Turn T ck ck. River 3 ck ck. She shows JJ he says oh I knew it just hard to put you on jacks when I have one in my hand and folds. So he called 10.5x pre with a jack that isn’t JJ, AJ, KJ or QJ.
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Firing the $200 at the Lodge today, hopefully can repeat my top 5 finish from last time. Will share any fun or interesting hands!
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No progress. 26k at end of lvl 6. Coming back after break to 400/800/800
Plenty of chips. And JFC the lifetilt getting flatted by QQ there. -
Just now, Lurch said:
It’s possible that, like me, they won their satellite seat. Still fucking weird... and hilarious
Can you sell the seats? If so, I'm assuming you can sell for more than 510. If no, registering the satty when the only prize is something worthless to you is uhhhh yeah.
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On 8/22/2019 at 8:23 AM, AUS-97HORN said:
very interesting article in Poker News that flies against normal perceived "correct close to bubble" procedure for tournaments
https://www.pokernews.com/strategy/dont-blow-your-tournament-bubble-35171.htm
Happy they put this out, because there are gonna be tons of mopes mis-applying it and doing things like folding AA pre with 20 bigs 20 spots off the money. I've mentioned this effect before (ICM handcuffs), and it is most pronounced in large field tourneys where the payouts are super flat after the bubble bursts. Like the Venetian DSE I cashed this summer, I folded 99 pre with like 15 bigs, because busting a 15 bigs stack 10 off the bubble is a disaster. I lock up $2k by outlasting 10 guys, then would have to outlast another 150 or so to get another $2k, so going from 15 to 30 bigs doesn't dramatically increase my $EV. I wouldn't be folding everything of course, and if I was shorter I would need to just go with it. Some people will read this and actually bubble MORE tourneys, because they will shut it down too early, and with too short of stacks.
On 8/22/2019 at 9:42 AM, po elvis said:i can't imagine shoving $190k into $70k is a good play there.
17 hours ago, TexArcher said:As with most things, it's read-dependent.
If hero knows villain would have raised flop rather than slowplaying a set or bottom two pair, and villain wouldn't have called the flop bet with A5 gutshot draw, then hero can pretty much bet turn with impunity. And overbetting the pot on the turn can look like a steal and entice a call by a lower pair stuck on 5 outs, whereas a 1/2- or 3/4-pot bet looks like a value bet and is easier for some villains to get away from.
Poker boards often talk about EV as if it exists in a vacuum, but what matters is +/-EV against that guy on that night. And it worked. Great example of Sklansky's Fundamental Theorem: he got the other guy to make a mathematical mistake that he wouldn't have made if their cards had been face up. The fact that the guy spiked his river doesn't change that.
Yeah, anything can be a good play in the right spot against the right opponent. I know nothing about how Rob plays so can't comment on the specifics. My best guess is that Alex thought Rob would put him on Axcc with a bet like that, since he turned a ton of equity, and then Rob should call with any pairs. Did Alex have the Ac? If so, even more likely that's the thought.
Note on the above though, Rob could have called flop with 65 OESD and now Alex would be dead.
16 hours ago, Irieguy said:For those of you that hate the overbet, is it because you are going to fold to a raise? Like bet $50k and then fold getting 2.4 to 1 against an amateur?
15 hours ago, CBT said:There was no option to fold to a raise. He was all in. Most people typically hate those plays because in a lot of scenarios no worse hands are calling and no better hands are folding. The exact opposite of what a bet needs to be doing.
14 hours ago, Dropout said:Overbet is good for bluff and extracting value from stations when under representing your hand.
So the issue in general (not commenting on the specific hand b/c I know nothing about Rob or the table dynamics etc.) with overbetting like that is you generally have to be super-polarized, meaning nuts or air (or semibluff air). Usually (but not here obv) doing this with something like top-top does what CBT mentions, just folds out all the stuff you beat, and gets called by the stuff that beats you. So doing it with something like 65, sets other than top set (better to do it with 444 than QQQ b/c opp is more likely to have a Q and hero call when we have 444 than QQQ), and nut flush draw might work. That lets you get biggest value from your monsters, maximizes fold equity with your air draws, and of course if you ship Axcc, and they find the call, we have outs.
You need to know your opponent though to know if you are maximizing value. If you are against someone who loves to fold, sprinkle in more bluffs and take out some value hands. If you are against a caller, the opposite.
11 hours ago, Irieguy said:That logic ignores the 3rd reason for betting - deny your opponent’s equity. That concept is more important in tournaments and isn’t as applicable here. But if you feel you opponent will call small bets with 8-10 outs but fold to big bets, then the overbet can be the right move.
I don’t think that concept applied here. I think Keating would call any bet with any top pair and most 2nd pairs. If Keating bets small on turn and then a scare card comes on the river, Yong might get away from top pair worse kicker or second pair. I think Keating was value betting the whole way and knew Yong was a loose, rich, recreational player. One pair and a flush draw was actually near the top of Yong’s range.
Denial of equity is important, but the best outcome is either: they fold to a bet they had odds to call, or call a bet that they had odds to fold to. Bombing it to blow someone off the pot can cost us money. Say I have top top and you have a flush draw. Pot is $200 and we have $400 behind. If I jam and you fold, I end the hand with $600. Instead, say I bet $75 and you call. I'm going to check-fold if the flush hits and bet $125 (and you fold) if it misses. So 20% of the time, I have $325 and 80% of the time I have $675, meaning I average ending the hand with $605, so I make more money by betting 75. Same assumptions, betting $100 results in 20% of the time having $300 and 80% of the time having $700, average stack $620. You can see that betting more makes me more money because you are calling without the needed express odds or implied odds.
Similar effect even when we aren't deep enough behind to just c/f rivers. Pot $200, we have $250 back. I jam $250, you fold flush draw, I end hand with $450. Instead, I bet 100, you call. Now, pot is 400 and we have 150 back. So lets just say I jam all rivers. 20% of time I have 0, 80% I have 550, end hand with $440. That's worse than jamming and you folding. If I bet 150 turn and you call, then I jam 100 on all rivers, 20% of time I have 0, 80% I have $600, so average end hand with $480, better than jamming and you folding.
Things of course get complicated if you are capable of bluffing the flush card if it comes, because then I can't happily check-fold when deep. It adjusts the other way if you are likely to hero call my river bet with weak/moderate hands, like say you had Ac9c and river a 9 on something like K5739. That REALLY increases the value of betting small instead of blowing you off the hand when I have AK.
13 hours ago, Lurch said:Played in a $150 satellite into a $590 main event. Tourney pays 21 tickets and $510 to player #22.
We get down to 22 players and the floor asks if anyone wants the $510... and two players do! They can’t agree so we keep playing! One of them goes all in three times the next three hands and wins all three. Other guy to my right didn’t even try for some reason. Another player finally busts on the third hand, which had left me with one single 1k chip at 4k/8k/8k.
So neither of the two guys got the cash they wanted.
I’ve never seen anything like itLOL JFC, poker is alive. Why play a $150 satty to the $590 tourney if you'd rather have $510 than a seat???
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Super fun. GLGL!!
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Booooo. Yeah I stone bubbled a mega in Tunica years ago. 56 left, 55 $1700 seats awarded. 56th paid $112 or so. I am down to a big blind, guy opens, I have AA. This is actually super close but I call, he has 33 and binks. I had to wait 20 minutes to get my $112 sitting there with everyone celebrating just like that. Soooooo tilt.
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How do you approach this, if at all? I’m not registered and usually just skip these as they look gimmicky.
What is it a satellite to? Basically you should rebuy whenever possible. You’re paying $100 for a starting stack, then you can buy starting stacks for $20 each. So rebuy when you sit down, play aggressive but not stupid, and rebuy every time you get down to start stack (I assume you can rebuy every time you have 2500 or less). Take the double rebuy at break regardless of your stack. Run good.
On the KK hand, I think minclicking is the worst option because we are screaming our hand is nutted without getting full value. When we jam, our opponents can do things like “put us on AK” and call off worse pairs.
It’s sliiiiiightly bigger than I would wanna jam, so I don’t dislike the call quite as much as CBT, but I’m trapping there, not looking to fold. The problem is sometimes we end up losing value (opp has JJ or QQ and would stack off pre but a K or A comes so they fold) or folding the best hand (3b cbets an A hi flop with JJ etc). Also sometimes the caller calls the 4k with 55 and blasts a set in our eye. Of course also sometimes the caller calls with AJ and we get all their money postflop on J hi board.
You’re gonna need a huge huge read to fold KK pre with under 40 bigs (without weird ICM situation or a satellite or whatever).
I def hate going 8k and then folding. At that point we are getting well over 2 to 1 with KK pre. You’re gonna have to literally show me two aces for me to fold.
If the hand worked out instead where he went 1500, we went 4, then he jammed, I’m still calling 99.999% but it’s at least a discussion. There are players that would only 4b jam AA there. Those players are very rare and we need to be extremely certain.
The problem is when we aren’t deep the price is pretty good and it doesn’t take much to make it where we have to call. We win 18% of the time against AA. Even tho we hold two kings, if his range is KK+, he still has KK 14% of the time (6 combos of AA, one of KK). We have almost 25% equity against KK+. If you add AK and/or QQ to his range, we just can’t fold.
I don’t really like the 9k lead on flop. We are milking, let them bet. We are letting BTN fold his AQ or AK for free there. What percent of their ranges are heart draws? Very small. And if one has a heart draw, a heart only turns about 1/5 of the time. Plus, if one has a heart draw they will likely bet it (BTN will virtually always, guy in between less often) and then we can check-jam to get his dead money C-bets, and he may shrug pot committed call with hands like 99 bc maybe you are drawing. Also if they have hearts they are just gonna call the 9k anyway. Say you get a call and a heart turns. We really check folding KK here in a 33k pot with 10k behind, so getting over 4 to 1 if he jams, with 4 boat outs?
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24 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:
They don't have Bravo where you live? Fuck 4-8 limit. Might as well be bingo.
Totally disagree! 4/8 is fun especially with some booze, and can be quite profitable if you actually adjust instead of just playing NL strategy and complaining that everybody chases (see my above cruise ship story for what not to do).
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3 minutes ago, Lurch said:
Sorry! 5c on river for flush
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1 hour ago, Lurch said:
Sit at $2/2 w $200. 6 handed
Second hand. CO limps, BTN makes it $12. I decide to just call w AQcc. Usually I’m reraising here but am new and don’t know any of these players. BB folds. $35 pot
As3s5c. Chk, chk, BTN ($400 behind) makes it $20. We both call. $95 pot.
Jc. Chk, chk, BTN makes it $35. I raise to $70 which is what CO has left. CO folds, BTN calls. $235 pot.
5s. I’m not real sure what to do here. I want to get it all in of course, but think a shove may induce a fold if he has AK. I go with $60. He tanks then counts my remaining chips before just calling. Folds face down so not sure what he had.
Think I should have shoved?Did you make a flush and typo a suit? I don't think he is folding AK on this board for a less than half-pot shove on the river.
I think pre is fine, just calling flop is good, I think lots of people raise this flop here, but you just drive out hands we beat, and get stacked always when we are beat. I don't like the turn, I would either call or jam. Minraising looks strong. If CO has exactly $70, I'd call, hope he jams, BTN flats, and then I jam over the top.
As played, jam river if we made a flush, check-decide if spade flush got there instead. If we made flush betting over half our stack looks at least as strong as jamming with the negative aspect of we lose $40 when he calls with worse (very very few hands he's calling $60 but not $100 into $235 IMO).
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Looks great, Champ. Really looking forward to my Galveston trips next year!
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25 minutes ago, Lurch said:
It’s a delicate balance, because you also want to get value as much as possible. Certainly easier to lay down in tourney, but I n cash, I’m virtually never giving my opponents quads or a straight flush for example. If they have it and I have a boat, congrats to them, they’re getting paid.
I’d say the tendency to not bet river for value out of fear costs many players more in the long run than betting it and occasionally losing to a bigger monster.Agree with all of this for sure, and I'm working on adding more thin river value bets as well. I think there is a difference in betting vs. raising vs. 3betting though as where there is value to be had, and the various textures. For example, I would always raise Kh5h if it went bet-call on Jh 7h Td 4h 3c. Would very rarely raise Kh5d over a bet-call on Jh 7h Td 4h 3h. If it checks to me, I am 100% betting of course in either hand.
Also, a key ability is the ability to bet-fold when betting thinner for value.
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Damn this thread makes me miss the 1/2 on the gambling boat that used to run out of Port A.
Hahaha yessssss. Saw a dude there have about a $90 stack, limps for $2, it gets raised and 3bet behind him to $55, he flats the $55, then check folds flop.
Also another time they were playing 5/10 limit. One dude was bitching literally the entire time saying limit isn’t poker and omg everyone just calls every bet to the end and no one folds etc (hint: that’s a very easy game to beat but you don’t play the same strategy as NLHE).
Anyway, he raises up AT of hearts, gets 6 callers as usual (I think a couple of slot players came over and called just because). He flops the nut flush. So how do you play the nut flush against 6 opponents who will “call every bet to the end and never fold”? If you said check the flop and flatcall the turn, you win the same prize he did: a much much much smaller pot than you should have had. -
What hand are you ever minraising hand 1 with that isn’t an 8? Honestly I’d be more likely to call a jam than a minraise.
4 straight and 4 flush boards are just hard to extract value unless your opp is a total mouthbreather. Put it this way you bet Kc on a board of Qc Tc 7c 3c 2d. Another guy calls. Third guy minraises. How happy are you?
Also, wtf did she call turn with them fold river instead of call $40 to win $350 goddamn
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4 hours ago, Lurch said:
$2/$2. Full table. Villains have $200.I have $400.
UTG+1 and UTG+2 plus to both limp.I raise to $12 with 88. Both call. $36 to flop.
T97 Rainbow. Checks to me. $20 both call. $96 pot
3. Checks through. (Second spade on board and I don’t have one)
6. No flush. UTG+1 $55 and UTG+2 calls. They each have $110ish behind. Pot now $205.
Do we min raise for half their stacks, shove, or something in between?
I would either jam or just call. I think their call range to a raise is really inelastic, especially with you raising over 2 people who put money in. You just are going to have it always. So now the question is, are they players who will ever call worse than a chop? If so, jam. If no, just call, as we are just losing money by jamming if they never call worse than an 8, since we get stacked off when they have the rare J8. It feels super nitty to just call, but there are times when we have the best hand 95% of the time, but raising is still bad. They have to call worse or fold better for raising to make us money. This is just a really hard hand/board to make money with a raise, esp over 2 players.
2 hours ago, Lurch said:(That was yesterday)
Tonight, $2/2 full table.
3 limps to me in CO. I make it $15 w AQcc. BB and all limpers call. Oops. $75 pot
9c6c2h. Checks to me. I $35, two of the MP limpers call. $185 pot.
3d. First lady ($200 behind) checks. Second guy jams $41.
I have $85 left.
Fold/call/jam?I would jam to help possibly clear up some outs. For example if first lady folds A6hh, we gain two outs (and maybe win the whole pot unimproved if second guy just has a draw). If she has KTcc, we either get the rest of her money if she calls (unless she hits her six outs), or she folds and we now don't lose on river kings or tens.
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I’m trying to stick to just meat. Like south Austin’s mom. Their menu looks like just plates with sides. Yeah, I can just not eat it or tell them to 86 the sides, but can I just get beef cheek, half a link and some pulled pork as a plate?
Never mind, I am a dumbass. Misread menu.
You can get barbacoa tacos as your side. Do that.-
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2019 Poker run gooder or die thread
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Goes 2500-call in front of me, I jam TT from BB for 24k first guy calls off for 19k, second guy for 23k. First guy AA, second guy 55. Blank flop, I turn T of spades, but River is the 4th spade and AA has As. Massive cocktease there for huge pot. I win the side pot and have 7500 left.
Next hand two limps, I complete T9o from SB, BB check. Flop 998cc. I ck BB ck limper 2500, other limper call, I jam my 7k, BB call 7k, first guy folds other limper call. So 26k in the middle. Turn 5. BB ck other guy jam she tank folds. He has 76 for turned straight. He had 4 outs in the deck since T gives me boat. Now I have 10 outs to redraw but miss. Calling bottom end of OESD on paired flush draw board with 2 players putting in a lot of chips is pretty bad but hey!!!
Prettttay frustrated.