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Look at the insurance salesman with his english lit degree worried about his business plan! lol

$10 gets you the board observer status. $20 for the board seat!

No you don't get it and that's the saddest part. I would love to see your background so we can judge if you only talk out of your ass to make yourself seem important or you actually know shit about business.

Bag money is what I consider paying money to a recruit or student without the payor receiving anything similar of value. Orangeblood paying players for interviews is legit because it boosts their visibility as a business. Some rich lawyer paying a player $20k for his autograph doesn't seem like a legit business transaction. With that said, I will let this topic go. Obviously, there is enough interest from posters here to try to do it. I prefer to offer my support, as I posted in the following thread: "Surly Horns Burnt Ends NIL Program- How YOU can help Texas with the NIL right now! "I own a full-service commercial solar business in California and have an installation partner based in Austin, TX who we are planning to buy. If you guys living in Texas can identify building owners (including UT campus) who are Texas alums and wouldn't mind going solar, we can pay the players a lot of money ($50-100k per site) for a cameo. Perhaps the player does the unveiling, signs autographs and take pictures, so the building owner gets to keep them as souvenirs or hang them on the walls. The building owner doesn't pay a dime for anything. We would pay for the system and pay the player for helping with the biz dev. It would be less work for all involved. I am just throwing it out there as an option that I can support." This can be a huge money making machine given how many buildings and parking lots that could have solar on them.

I was not worried about the NCAA. My concern was someone going rogue and running amok with federal and state laws. The NIL, as I understand it, is meant for businesses to pay players for their image, name and likeness. I don't know how setting up a new venture to collect donations from fans fit into that. If you're selling UT merchandise with player's autographs, would Co-op and others like UT athletics have problem with it? Lastly, it seemed like a lot of effort for someone to do it on a part time basis for a long period of time. Personally, I prefer simplicity but that's just me being lazy.

There is a risk of some bag money being funneled through it. There are still a lot of grey areas with this NIL and Texas laws being more strict than perhaps other states. Someone from another university tips the IRS and they decide to look under the hood. If you are doing it as a for profit business, then it's a different case. This will be run by fans who typically don't mind bending the rules to give the school they love an edge. It can start out as a noble venture, but in my humble opinion, runs the risk of breaking laws down the road. In the NIL thread, I offered my support through my business, which is probably more in line with the intent of the NIL program.

I own a full-service commercial solar business in California and have an installation partner based in Austin, TX who we are planning to buy. If you guys living in Texas can identify building owners (including UT campus) who are Texas alums and wouldn't mind going solar, we can pay the players a lot of money ($50-100k per site) for a cameo. Perhaps the player does the unveiling, signs autographs and take pictures, so the building owner gets to keep them as souvenirs or hang them on the walls. The building owner doesn't pay a dime for anything. It would be less work for all involved. I am just throwing it out there as an option that I can support.

Why does it have to be a novel idea to work? Are we shooting for a nobel prize in physics or trying to win games? Don't try too hard for reps. 😂

Don't get worked up by my response, my dude. The effort is admirable. I am telling you as a former VC and current entrepreneur, this plan has a lot of pitfalls. It also will present a lot of risk to whoever runs it.

I will stick around and watch. I am telling you it won't come to life because of too many things to list here. We can revisit the topic at a later time.

Let us know if it ever comes to life. Then we will talk.

Lots of words but it has no chance of getting off the ground. I lol'd when i read the part where you said, "all we need is for someone to run it." That's the key part, isn't it? Are you incorporating it as a for profit or non-profit? If it's a for profit, then what actual business would it engage in? Perhaps you have a better chance as a non-profit but then again it would be sketchy and eventually get in trouble with IRS. You don't need to form a business to do this. Forming a business would attract more scrutiny and you would eventually subject yourself to an audit and all the fun that comes with it.

I may be wrong on this but if I were the UT president or chancellor, I would tell our boosters that we are going to need their help to sign few kids in each class. It doesn't have to be for all the kids in the class but perhaps the top 5-6 guys that are on the fence and getting attractive offers elsewhere. Then someone in our recruiting department should tell those recruits he/she is confident our boosters can match or exceed any other deals they might get elsewhere. "If you love Texas, don't go to that other school hoping for more money. You get to stay close to home and make as much money." Get a soft commitment from the recruit contingent on Texas being able to offer a similar or better deal. Then the recruiting coordinator guy calls one of the boosters to tell him/her who the target recruit is and what kind of deal we would need to land him. If you create several layers in between, then you have plausible deniability in case you get caught.

Ok, now we can have a discussion. I named TN and OR as two schools that had success with new coaches despite having terrible recent past. There are few others like UNC and Miami who also somewhat fit the bill. The original question wasn't if these schools did it without cheating. I believe everyone cheats to a certain extent. TN and OR had to cheat more than others to compete at an elite level given their dire situations. I don't believe Texas is in that situation so that we have to be like them to have any recruiting success. Our brand lessens the burden of us having to cheat like TN, Ole Miss, etc. We can be on par with the upper half of the SEC who also cheat but perhaps not as blatantly as the lower tier programs. When I first mentioned our recruiting woes back in April/May, I blamed Covid, which was immediately ridiculed by many. I said, perhaps we lost momentum due to Covid shutting things down and now the staff had to work much harder to gain momentum. People were saying, I was calling the game in the first quarter, blah blah blah. That was not a popular take back then but now it is. I knew the risk of taking an unpopular view but I called them as I saw them coming down the pike, not as they were the facts at the moment. I called for hiring an elite basketball coach like Cal or Izzo. Everyone thought that was stupid because we were not a bball school and the best we could hope for was some up and coming coach. I didn't think Chris Beard was a possibility given he was given a lifetime contract. Our AD went all in on an elite coach and now we are seeing the rewards.

Dude, I don't want to engage in these talks with you, or anyone like you, if you can't be civil. You might think you're smart but you can't prove it. If you're unable to listen to contradicting views from others, you're not smart in my book; you're just a zealot. Whether it's recruiting, polishing the turd, or whatever, you have to look ahead to what competition you may be facing down the road. I called our recruiting issues and why Sark might not have been the best hire long before most people did, and I am not going to apologize for it.

I will get more involved with the school once the current deal to take us public through a SPAC merger materializes. I was ready to sell the business and retire but the space we are in got hot all of a sudden and some investment group wants to give my company $40-50M of which I am the only shareholder. At any rate, you guys carry on. I will check back in a few.

I might but i don't advertise for our services. We offer financial services.

This moron is on the verge of taking the company he founded 7 years ago public. Let me see your resume so we know how smart you are. The fact that you don't get shit should make you pausr before calling anyone moron.

Nobody cares about how dirty you're now. Funnel all the money through NIL and it looks clean. Is NCAA going to come hard on a big time program ... ever?

I realize this "bag game" is our new boogie man but everyone is doing it these days. We just suck at it. This NIL should have been the replacement for the traditional bag game. Let's not forget we started losing 5* commits before all this NIL bullshit started.

Of the top of my head, I believe Tennessee and Oregon recruited well under their new head coaches despite not having much recent success and lacking an in-state fertile recruiting base. An elite recruiter can sell the new car smell in their first 2 years. We have a fertile recruiting ground where many top recruits grow up wanting to play for the flagship university. We should be able to close better with our resources.

I remember reading somewhere that Eltife follows recruiting like many of us. He has to be concerned by losing the 5* recruits who were leaning heavily to us.

I am not saying Sark can't win with the current roster. He certainly can but he needs to keep up in recruiting in order to sustain any success. OU's talent is equal, if not better than us now. That game is always a tossup but we can't afford to lose to lesser teams when our hope is that winning on the field would alleviate our recruiting woes. We lose one or two games we shouldn't be losing and everyone would saying, here we go again.

I don't believe Texas can win with lesser talent. We just don't have that underdog culture as an institution and I think it's impossible to develop that kind of culture at a big program like Texas. Baylors and Techs of the world can get a good coach in and win with lesser talents because they are used to be underdogs. At a big program like Texas, you have to recruit well to win. There are no two ways about it. Hoping that we would win first with lesser talent and then more talent would come is just kicking the can down the road.

I would agree with this take but given the type of success we have had in other programs since CDC came here, I would not count CDC as a hindrance to our success. If something is above his paygrade, I tend to believe he would escalate. Everything he does seem to revolve around building a winning program.