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  1. 19 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

    I can't imagine Goldsmith working out long term after Grohl recut his drum parts.  He might have lasted the tour, but there's almost no way he'd survive the next round in the studio.

    I've tried to picture this a few times. Their third record was the one they recorded in Grohl's house in Virginia and the recording process was intentionally the opposite of The Colour and the Shape, where they worked with a total taskmaster producer. The pressure level was way different after Colour, too, since it was such a huge hit. They had a lot fewer eyes looking over their shoulder (or were better able to say "fuck off, let us do this in peace"). 

    So that sounds like an environment where Goldsmith could have been comfortable and could have done his best work. Touring Colour and Shape would have given him what, 200 more gigs to learn to play the way Dave wanted, by playing another record of Dave's parts over and over again. 

    But that's all best-case scenario. Who knows if the "Nothing Left to Lose" sessions would have been as peaceful, relaxed, etc, if Grohl had had to listen to Goldsmith's drumming again. I mean right prior to that they had just fired Stahl because the chemistry wasn't there and he couldn't contribute anything to their writing. It's also likely that Grohl's comfort that the band was gonna make it wasn't just "we sold a million records on our follow-up" but also "I can now concentrate on and enjoy what I'm doing without thinking about/worrying over a subpar drummer" once Hawkins was onboard, so take that variable out and maybe the third record's sessions would have been tense even without Gil Norton. 

    I think keeping Goldsmith through the Colour tour would have just prolonged the inevitable and he'd have quit or gotten fired during the next session. I think he's like Jeff Cease in the Black Crowes, a totally competent and professional musician who couldn't do enough at the next level to keep up with what the band needed. 

  2. 8 hours ago, markstanco said:

    Not playing them will hurt actually. Pay attention.

    if A&M could hide behind COVID and end their season right now, they would. This is the greatest Aggie season since 1939, because right now "everyone knows!!!!!!" A&M would be in the playoff if it started tomorrow, and "everyone knows!!!!!!!!!!!" they'd whup Ohio State and have Bama quaking in their boots for a rematch. 

    You should heed your own advice and consider who you're talking about. This is A&M, the school whose response to decades of losing to Texas was "if you can't beat 'em, don't play 'em and just say you'd beat 'em if you ever did but they's too scareda you". 

  3. 1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

    Yeah, they go over it in the documentary.

    Sort of. I don't think they establish what Al is saying. Grohl still wanted Goldsmith to tour in support of the record and to stay in the band; it was Goldsmith who chose to quit. To me, the documentary did not establish that Goldsmith wasn't a good enough drummer (clearly Gil Norton thought so). Grohl's objection to what Goldsmith played on the record wasn't specifically "not competent", it was:

    "There was the constant feeling that, whatever song you were playing, Dave had (the) drum part for it, already, in his head or whatever."-- Goldsmith

    "When I've written a song... (pause)... I have kind of a clear idea of where the basic roots accents should lie. It's a fancy way of saying 'I know what the drums should sound like, in my head, as I'm doing this thing. That's not necessarily fair, to say that, (as you're) collaborating with other musicians." -- Grohl

    "I think that William played the best that he could, and that sometimes it was great, and sometimes it wasn't. If I listen to a song, and I don't think it has the thing that it needs, it's not necessarily gonna get past me, and get on an album." -- Grohl

    "The conversation I eventually had with William was, I really wanted him to stay in the band, and I really wanted him to be the drummer. But, I was gonna play drums on (The Colour and the Shape). It's a tough thing to talk about, because I know William will never forgive me for playing drums on that record, and I wish things were different. But, um... I felt like this was what I had to do in order to make this album happen." -- Grohl

    So Grohl thought the album would be better, and I'm sure all the record company lizards thought it would sell better, with his drumming on it. Clearly true. There's a huge gap between Grohl and Goldsmith's talent, to the point Grohl wanted to write Goldsmith's parts. There's much less of a gap, if any, between Hawkins and Grohl as drummers, and that's where I'm curious as to how much input Grohl has on the drum parts nowadays. I think @Lurch probably nailed it, it was probably "more then, less now". I am guessing that Hawkins was all along able to compose something approaching what Grohl wanted and after 20 years, can just about do it in his sleep. And those two are (apparently) close enough that it was probably always a different story when/if Grohl wanted something changed. 

     

  4. What I've always been curious about with respect to drumming on post-Goldsmith FF records is, I wonder how much input Grohl gives Hawkins. In the band bio documentary from 2011, he (Grohl) danced around the issue of why Goldsmith was pushed out. He didn't say "he wasn't up to par as a drummer", but he did say that the drumming on the first pass at Colour and Shape wasn't, because Grohl had very specific ideas around what he wanted. 

    When Grohl brings in a rough song idea, etc, I wonder how much direction he gives Hawkins if (as he implies in the documentary) he knows what he wants to hear drum-wise from the start, versus letting Hawkins create the drum sound himself from scratch.  

  5. 20 hours ago, hullabelew said:

    Doctors' warnings, jail, family leaving me, losing a job, friends and family talking to me, my thoughts of driving into a bridge abutment, numerous car 'mishaps', ....none was enough to make me want to quit.   It wasn't until I went to rehab, got my head clear and feet underneath me and I learned why I was drinking, that I wanted to quit.  That I even COULD quit. 

    but hullabelew, you have so much to live for if you just stop drinking!

    yeah the "frothy emotional appeals" from non-drinkers might as well have been spoken in Martian, none of it made a difference to me.

    what it took for me was enough practical experience to decide a) there was no fun left in it, no feeling I was "getting away" with something, b) no escape left in it, no ability to be blissfully ignorant of what was going on around me, and c) it was just getting worse every time. I never thought I'd drink like I was drinking at the end, and it finally dawned on me that this wasn't the last step on the staircase, in terms of my dependence on alcohol. There really were lower steps (greater levels of dependence) that I was going to hit on the way down if I didn't winch on the steering column as hard as I could one last time. I don't think crashing a car or any of that other shit would have done it, I had to get physically hooked and know it and marinate in it for a while to realize "not only does this suck, it's going to suck worse and worse and on the way to death there will probably be a lot more physical pain". 

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  6. 24 minutes ago, VABuckeye said:

    I get that but let's not pretend it was every Ohioan in the world that did that.  That behaviour was embarrasing and has been corrected.  Hopefully, our scheduled home and home happens and we can show you proper hospitality.  I know any Texas fans on this site that make the trip are welcome at my tailgate.

    counterpoint, What The Buck is absolutely worse than an Aggie

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  7. 6 minutes ago, redswingline said:

    I just glanced at his Michigan record. He's won 70% of his games there.

    Shouldn't Michigan be happy with that?

     

    Four problems as I see it.

    One, he's never beating Ohio State and he's 50/50 against Michigan State. Those are the two most important games on their schedule every year (sorry Notre Dame).

    Two, the program seems to have a permanent ceiling at 70%, no better than co-Division Champs, no conference titles, no Rose Bowls. That is too low for Michigan's taste. 

    Three, he routinely loses his last two regular season games (Ohio State and then the bowl) so Michigan goes into every off-season feeling like the season was a failure-- even 2016, his best year there.

    Four, their biggest rival is at the Clemson/Alabama level. Whatever Michigan's ceiling is, they will never be happy if it seems permanently lower than Ohio State's. 

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  8. 1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:

    Spielman and Moose are underrated football announcers... both provide quality analysis.

    Yeah, listen to one game of Herbstreit, and then one of Spielman. When they telestrate a play, Herbstreit offers nothing but superficial analysis and football-speak cliches, e.g., "They came with the blitz from the outside linebacker, but Baylor was ready for it and you can see here he hits the slant, gets his playmaker in space, gain of 14, first down" or "that's just a great play by the receiver to high-point the ball". 

    Spielman will notice some arcane bit of football minutiae, explain it and why it's significant, and then extrapolate that to what is likely to happen going forward, and he'll actually be right. I've seen him catch offensive linemen tipping run/pass before the snap. 

    Not saying Spielman never uses hyperbole or cliches, just that as a color guy his understanding of the game comes through clearly. Herbstreit just sounds like literally any half-informed football fan you've ever watched a game with. And that makes sense, because it's been more than 25 years since he took a snap from center. It's not like he's particularly well-versed in how a modern quarterback plays the position. I mean, his time at Ohio State predates Charlie Ward's Heisman season at Florida State. 

  9. 8 minutes ago, Mdhorn said:

    But Michigan is coming off a loss and got whooped.  They should've been motivated after a loss and it's not getting easier for them going forward.

    yeah I'm not excusing it or saying I predicted they'd lose today, just that I'm not shocked IU finally got them. They were probably lucky not to have already lost to them. That program has lost all direction at this point. Ohio State will probably put up 50 on them again. 

  10. 13 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

    It's a board whose main demographic is a crowd of college educated people, not fucking 4chan.

    Surprise! That demographic is paying close attention to shit that is going on.

    And more importantly, the board caters to a group of sports fans who are Really Fucking Pissed Off with the state of the sports in their lives.

    it's a UT sports-- read, football-- board whose traffic is 90% dedicated to something other than UT sports. Thus, the joke about rebranding.

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  11. 1 hour ago, immamac said:

    There is no fucking commentary at all on it and it's extremely conservative from a call. It's the biggest thing happening in America right now and 90% of the site traffic is the election thread. 

    I can create you your own special little group that doesn't see it if you'd like? Anyone is welcome to join that group just post here to opt out.

    If 90% of your traffic's about the election, it's time to think about a rebrand. 

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