ChemicalHorn

OUs RS freshman QB (that we all made fun of to start the year) is better after 7 games than 4 year starter Sam. That’s the reality of Sam as our QB. And don’t chime in with “coaching!” Or “team around him!” Ratter has already made 2 or 3 throws this game Sam isn’t capable of.

Meh, I’d like to see some advanced stats on this. He definitely makes some good intermediate throws, but he also does shit like miss a 5 yard hitch by 8 feet or force our guys to jump to catch a screen pass totally fucking up play timing. That latter shit sticks out more to me but I’d like to see a real breakdown. What is definitely true is his completion percentage this year is not good.

Hey man, they’re still in contention to win the division, so who’s laughing now?

Yeah I mean Herman is a fucking moron. My hypothetical wishful thinking is Herman falling into something good despite himself. His blinding loyalty to Sam is possibly gonna cost him his job though, so whatever. Regarding playmakers - Jake Smith drops balls but he’s nails. Man beater, quick as shit. He’s the reason the offense got going on the last drive against ok st. But we never get the ball to him on sweeps, screens, etc - we’d rather use Kai money and Epps for that, apparently. Joshua Moore will be an all big 12 guy if he gets a QB that can get him the ball. We all dislike Keontay because of a couple terrible fumbles and a worse drop but the dude chews up yards pretty effectively when given the chance. Brennan Eagles is a matchup nightmare (big, strong, FAST) and would probably catch 10 TDs a year playing for a better passing game. Then we have a guy like Marcus Washington rotting on the bench - a guy almost every team in the country would’ve taken when he signed. Part of this shit is Herman not putting guys in a position to succeed and a lesser part is Sam not being accurate enough to get the ball in a spot where they can use their talent (go rewatch our games and see him throw inaccurate screens and airmail 5 yard hitches). A more creative offensive coach would get the ball into guys hands quickly as opposed to relying on 5 step drops and longer developing routes. Maybe if Herman were forced to be more creative we’d do that. But probably not, because Herman is a fucking moron.

Crazy thought here, but could it be that the offense is bad in part because the QB is exceedingly mediocre? Shit man, in the junior year you just referenced he was throwing to two NFL WR, had a LT who likely would have likely been a first round pick if he’d declared, a possible NFL OL at the other tackle, a 4 year starter at center and a former (1st team?) all ACC guard. And we ended up scoring less points than a mediocre Baylor offense and about the same as OkSt and Iowa St. I get we don’t have the embarrassment of riches as an Alabama or Clemson, but NO blame? It ain’t all on Sam but it’s about time we recognize what an utter failure it that we’ve run him out for 4 years.

Not even getting into the rest of this argument, this isn’t necessarily true. Playing a different QB might actually force Herman to call more plays that get the ball into play makers hands quickly, instead of this absurd offense where we try to make Sam a great drop back passer. And if that guy is fast and can rip a few long runs or can hit a deep ball with any semblance of regularity, even better. Either way if what we’re getting from Sam (whether hurt or not) is the best QB on our roster, we’re proper fucked the next few years. Edit to add: I didn’t really respond to your statement, because I don’t necessarily agree with your premise that our line can’t block and our WR can’t catch. They could be better for sure but our top 3 RB are averaging 5 yards a carry (Sam averaging 3.6 with 90 carries to their ~150) and we’ve had a couple of untimely or bad drops but way more balls just haven’t been that catchable, imo.

What a fucking chode. Almost the same no call we had earlier in the game. And even if they score we still would’ve gotten the ball back (not to mention had been stopping them short yardage all day).

NO ITS EVERYONE ELSES FAULT! QUIT BEING MEAN TO SAM!

Huh? If he leads Schooler he’s not having to jump up and reach over the guy to catch it. Quit making excuses for Sam he’s been wildly inaccurate today. Only made worse by the fact that our WR drop the passes he does put on target.

This is just it - it’s not necessarily that we suck that infuriates me, it’s HOW. Stupid penalties, missed assignment and tackles and lacking situational awareness. Hallmarks of bad coaching. Gets this fraud the fuck out.

1-6 over last 7 v TCU. Very competitive. Isnt your whole premise that it’s unfair to judge Herman against Bama, tOSU, Clemson because they get better talent? But apparently Herman is doing fine being competitive with ISU despite the HUGE gap in talent? Stick to the NFL dude, because you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about here .

What about the talent compared to OU or TCU or ISU? Should they compete with them, Bob? For an ivy leaguer you sure have a stupid fucking opinion on this one.

Enjoy the win - it was lucky and OSU is clearly a better team but it was at least fun to win against a decent team for a change. Don't spend time fretting on Herman, he will definitely fuck this up. Next week, probably. Even if not I don’t see a sure win on our schedule with the way this team plays (yes, including Kansas. See: last year).

I regret an angry post or two here. Sam wasn’t great today but seeing him sing the eyes by himself is a real bummer. He at least gives a shit which it seems like is more than can be said for the bulk of our team. I don’t know what to make of his leadership - really bizarre to see a captain left out by himself like that (did the team decide they wouldn’t sing the eyes and Sam defied that? Was it left up to each player and no one else cared to stand with their captain ?), but given the general jackassery of this team, it seems to be a them problem more than a Sam problem. Most of my - and probably others here - frustration stems from the fact that I really believed he would develop into a great player, but it just hasn’t been there. The inability to throw even a semi catchable deep ball is truly confounding, as is his regular blow up quarters. IMO he’s doesn’t have the talent to last more than a couple NFL seasons but that doesn’t mean he hasn’t been a solid college QB who can win when shit falls right. Unfortunately our program is so fucking broken we’ve seen where that gets us - a .600 win percentage, 1-4 against OU and one season where we sorta competed for a conference championship. Theres a decent chance we end up worse off when he leaves, but we’ve seen where we end up with him and that’s not cutting it either. It’s not all on Sam (if we’re picking between him and his arrogant prick of a coach it’s a no brainer) but I’m ready to turn the page.

I’ll eat a little crow for some hyperbole. He’s not ass, he’s very mediocre guy who plays better with his back against the wall, but as soon as he started having to throw the ball down the field against a non prevent defense we were fucked. The difference in the OT was Rattler made a bunch of throws Sam isn’t capable of. But plenty of y’all are gonna come on here and say what a dumbass anyone who is critical of Sam is, so whatever. Pack it up, season is a bust. Maybe our next 3+ year starter will win something of consequence.

He’s ass, my dudes. I hope the rumors of “he hates Herman and won’t come back” are true. And all the numbnuts who continue to defend him - You’re part of the problem. Demand more for our school. Riley fucking benched a dude who outplayed him.

He’s ass, my dudes. I hope the rumors of “he hates Herman and won’t come back” are true. And all the numbnuts who continue to defend him - You’re part of the problem. Demand more for our school. Riley fucking benched a dude who outplayed him.

Double post... Sorry. Ill edit to say our line also sucks shit through a straw as does our head coach - another week, another instance of getting out coached.

Kills me that there are still some in here trying to defend Sam... CORCHES! OTHER PLAYERS! 1-4 vs OU... ouch.

Hard to care much right now...

Well at least Tom is confident. Anyone else?

He’ll “stick” in the NFL? So he’s maybe Chase Daniel? Cool. Maybe he is top 4 in school history -we’ve had 4 win NCs, and Colt, but obviously 60s were a different type of football- but that says more about our QB history than Sam being great imo.

Yeah text my brother circa 2nd or 3rd quarter basically “The QB draw is there for a TD whenever they want it.” I was already 2 cocktails in and could see it. Ash couldn’t.

This. Plenty of blame to go around, including the QB who completed less than 50% of his passes. People on here wanna pretend like all the other players are letting Sam down when he’s as much at fault as the rest.