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There's one major problem with that... Let's say a miracle happened, ESPN and Amazon or Apple woke up one morning feeling generous and decided to save the PAC. Each one buys the rights to one game a week for a staggering deal where each PAC school pockets 40 million dollars a year... Sounds good and all, but it isn't. There are two components that are equally important to the schools. Money and exposure. Then talk shows mostly go on about the money. But most reports that come out are about schools not being onboard with 95% of their content being solely in streaming services... Their own fan base doesn't care about their product as is, so how many fans in other parts of the country is going to pay for Amazon Prime or Apple just for PAC 12 football. The streaming only concern came out in the early stages of the negotiations. Things have gotten much worse since. There isn't nor has there been any negotiations in about a month between any of the parties. ESPN and Amazon put their final amount on the table and has said take it or leave it. Each one wants 1 game a week Apple isn't up bidding. FOX/CBS/NBC are all a hard pass. The only reason Universities have sports is for exposure. The list of schools who break even (or better) without handouts, is very small. So the bulk of PAC content untouched/unaired, is practically SMU's death sentence.

Waiting until 2030? That is borderline retarded... Why would the corners hang around for 5-10 million less a year (assumed), knowing this is coming. And even more so, why would anyone those six decide to continue playing musical chairs knowing that around 2030, the number of chairs remaining stay the same, but the players on the field practically double... 2030 is close enough to the end of the ACC contract for those schools to become quite attractive. Washington and Oregon will have some stiff competition for a B1G invite especially after 7 years of playing in an irrelevant PAC, and some of the ACC schools probably have more appeal already than the zona schools or Colorado (or a faded Utah that's as relevant as Boise St is today. It would make more since for the Big 12 to expand East when the ACC becomes unstable, than to circle back around for the corners in 2030. At least they do watch football in the East. Yes it would leave BYU on an island still, but it isn't like they aren't used to it. In fact, they'll probably prefer it. With the PAC lacking exposure, BYU will probably end up sitting on a recruiting goldmine. I don't know. For Washington and Oregon It's a gamble either way.. jump now or take your chances in 2030... but for the other PAC schools? You aren't going to the B1G nor the SEC, and there isn't any magic fairy dust out there that's saving the PAC long term. The Big 12 already snagged the best of the G5s with any recent consistency competing with the big boys. Jump now or compete later on against VT-GT-NCST-ect... I think we all know that there's going to be 3 conferences at the end. 2 power and 1 that is made up of passed overs... There is going to be lot more players than spots, and several schools are going to be left to fend for themselves. Those who already have their seat will keep their seats until they vacate it willfully, whose left without, well... If this PAC thing hasn't taught them that there's not going to be any free handouts by the networks just because they want to swim in the deep end, then they should all burn their degrees and start flipping burgers with the rest of "us".

To quote a Utah upper management guy, "Give me a break"... I'm pretty sure that Oregon and Washington know whether they have a B1G invite coming or not. The GOR will be revealing (if they get anywhere in the ballpark of the BIG 12). If they know they aren't on the B1G's A list, they are likely to both snag a BIG 12 spot the day the PACs 22 million deal breaks, leaving 2 of the corners standing there with their thumbs up their ass.. Oregon and Washington both like their football more than they do rubbing shoulders with Stanford... They will be the first to cut their losses and salvage the most they can from a bad situation.

Utah isn't even the captain, but seem to be determined to go down with the ship.

In don't think markets are the driving force behind realignment these days. In fact whoever it was from ESPN blatantly stated it about matchups nowadays. The numbers I've seen floating around on sports talk is games that break the 4 million viewer mark, and UNC football and basketball combined don't scratch that. If this is true, it explains why Oregon and Washington are still sitting where they are. They hardly ever get those numbers. Not even when they play each other. The two main conference networks seem to be satisfied with their footprint and are now focusing on the national audience and those sweet advertising dollars.

If all male cheerleaders they call milkmen left any doubt, this takes care of it... aggy is determined to burn everything good in this world to the ground. Next they will "fix" spandex and yoga pants. If ancient aliens built the pyramids overnight, levitating all the stones into place, i wonder what they would charge to come back and levitate collie town and relocate it to Antarctica... or the bottom the Pacific overnight!?

It's the funniest thing ever to hear the Utah blowhards rattle off about the big 12's shitty academics, how they don't belong in the Big 12 and there's no way they would ever join the Big 12... As if they are Stanford or something. The dumbasses don't even realize they would be around 4th in the Big 12 after we leave. The majority of sites don't even have them in the top 100 (105th).

They are making noise for something, and it isn't to try and bully the ACC into more money. The ACC schools are well aware FSU is tied to them for 13 years, if they like it not not. Just like they are aware that FSU will bolt after if there is an opening somewhere for them, no matter how unequal the revenue they get. So why give them more of the pie now when they are leaving anyways. The ACC can't give Clemson and FSU (and UNC.. ECT) enough money to get them within the same universe as the power two, and those schools aren't wanting Big 12 money either. I feel there's more to the story than just noise..

I wonder if a school could force a court ordered settlement if they paid their 120 million exit fee and offered to pay say 17 million a year, the established value the conference has assigned them, so they could go make 60 Million plus in another conference, banking on the real difference in money will be from the number of schools the other conference will average getting into the playoffs and National championships those teams will win. It isn't idea, but it will keep them closer in the money than riding out the next 13 years in their current situation, and it puts them in preferred seating now instead of playing musical death match chairs a decade plus plus from now.

I'm curious why FSU decided to do this during l a public venue. These things are disgusted behind closed doors to avoid beating your fan base into a frenzy. Even if it were directed at the conference, it would have been handled behind closed doors... The only time these things have been done publicly before is when schools were on their way out. Corn, aggy, Mizzou, even OU when it tried to bolt to the PAC. Im not saying FSU has a foot out already, but there is something going on and this was a deliberate move by FSU to galvanize it's fan base for something.

All these leaks have to be coming from the PAC's head office. If he hadn't made a two day visit to SMU that included a very public appearance, not to mention allowing SDSU to put the word out they expect an invite any day now, I would think they were coming from Oregon or Washington, but these are starting to feel like desperation to drum up any interest in the PAC's rights. I think it's about time to put a fork in them

Now, with the fiasco that's going on out west, does the ACC decide to play ball with ESPN and workout some sort of deal to let a select few teams move out at a reasonable price? Or find themselves willing to risk what their value will look like in 2036 when these teams bail anyways and no one is all that interested in your rights .. I could see ESPN reworking the contract for a little more money and a shorter term IF they believe the real money is in moving some of the ACC teams into the SEC.

Stanford stuck in that conference would be the funniest thing to ever happen in college sports.

It's kinda comical to watch different shows coming out of Pac territory. They cannot fathom a world in which the networks would consider the Big 12 more valuable than the PAC. it's 30 seconds of sports comparisons before before it turne into PAC vs big 12 academics. Which leads into no school would ever leave the PAC for Big 12. Which turns into the PAC will at least get 40 million... You know, the demand for spelling bees They refuse to bring up the networks spelled out who is more valuable to them when no one bid on the PAC product. The value they believed they had is leaving for the Big 10. The lack of exposure in the East had major consequences. The way they handled the almost coup of the Big 12 south division was beyond boneheaded

I would seriously be considering packing up and heading east... FOX had no interest in renewing. ESPN is only interested in filling it's 10pm EST slot. CBS and Turner only came for the coffee and donuts. NBC didn't even do that... I'd say that PAC stocks are in the dirt. Do you stay out west for obviously less money, while using the years you make the playoffs to make up for the exposure Prime isn't going to get you? Or do you head east for more money and the amount exposure that playing in timezones where college football is relevant will get you? Bringing in SMU and SDSU doesn't fix the lack of interest in the Pac, any more than one game against SMU (for some) help with getting you exposure. I wonder if Amazon really understands college football fans? I don't know what kinds of returns Amazon is banking on, but I have a suspicion it's going to fall way short, and this will be yet another Prime project that cost them millions... Well they probably won't lost money, because it's going to go for clearance prices...

I can't wait to see all of you sitting on each other's coattails, wondering why the gravy train ain't moving... No, the Big 12 members did step up after aggy left. That one got their attention, but the writing was on the wall, and neither OU or Texas could let the money divide keep getting wider. Texas probably would've set right a little longer, but OU couldn't afford to. Which at that time, Texas couldn't afford to have lost both aggy and OU.... The benefits of moving outweighed those of staying.

I know Oregon and Washington both want the BUG, but I think things will cool down until the ACC contract is close to ending then then endgame begins.. I think ESPN wants some teams from there in the PAC,. And I believe the big 10 probably has their eyes on a couple... ESPN knows the PAC is fucked so they arent going to give away money for rights that will be theirs in the Big 12 before long anyways

No there isn't anyone left. ESPN is looking for some top games in the west to air after the eastern and central games are done... They know no one watches those late games, but they get watched by more people than. 4 hours straight of game recaps do... So they aren't going to up their offer because they see the games as fillers and no one else is bidding... I don't think anyone was really ever bidding against Amazon, so for this still not to be done points to major issues with the money. They are not getting anywhere near the other conferences... No commissioner has ever gone to a school to personally recruit them. None have stepped foot on a none member's campus before, saving that for the press release with new members... One would think it would be SMU doing the work. Instead, it's been the opposite. That doesn't bode well for the PAC schools.

It's not the carrying that gets old, it's when you are already doing 80 percent of the work, while 2/3 of the others there to work are chilling under a tree and haven't moved all day and time is running out to have the job done before it starts cutting into your money because they are fine making enough to keep the lights on and the old lady happy. It's more than they've ever made before, while you are busting your ass because the roof is starting to leak, and the car is on it's last legs... When you feel the burden, is when you've hurt your knee and can't get the work done, and that still doesn't light a fire under the others asses. Because there's still guaranteed money coming in for a few more years and Iowa St will be back on it's feet before then...

I'm not sure, it will take years before the big 12 shakes out. I think the first thing they will have issues with, will be will take place behind closed doors, among the ADd. There's always sheep looking for someone else to take the lead and I'm not sure there's a pecking order established yet. I'm sure there's been some issues we've not heard about yet, nothing major, even though the sheep have been leaderless since 2021, it's just now become official, and are just now starting to relax with the Big 12 out of danger... The fireworks will happen once they are done patting each other's back for a job well done. The Big 12s had it's foundation shattered before anything was built on it and the first game played.

Someone will rise to the top eventually, they will never carry the conference. But that doesn't mean that they won't feel they do. Let certain schools go on a good run and make it fat into the playoffs a few times in a decade, and we will see what type of insufferable cunts they become.... And hope it isn't BYU. Cunts will be a polite way of describing them... Just think of what it would be like if aggy was still here... At least BYU will wait until there actually win something

Aggy is dying to dodge Texas more than anything else

The schools who were making the most noise about the PAC getting left behind are still there. I'd say that any PAC school who has other options are waiting to see what the deal they are offered looks like, and if it's somewhat behind the Big 12's there will be some jumping ship taking place. It was the PAC falling behind that put them in this mess, so I don't see those who can leave, sticking around just to continue falling 3v3n further behind... But 5hen again,. Does the Big 12 really want 4 pact teams? The sports mouths around FSU are making a lot of noise about getting out... I only mention it, not because I think the BIG 12 has a chance to snag them. I mention it because I remember us getting crucified over unequal revenue sharing as if UT not only created the concept, they were also the only team who benefited from it. But that's what FSU sports guys think the ACC has to do... The same talk was taking place out west also. It's funny how we are evil incarnate for being greedy, but when It's their coattail that's weighing them down from all the mouths on it, then it's fine to get more money than others. But you really got to love the hate that UT and OU is getting from the other Big 12 fans and sports media for leaving, knowing if their school's phone had rang instead, they would be the ones leaving. It will be interesting to see who rises to the top of the Big 12 amd feels the burden of shouldering a conference in which over half of the members are more than happy to let others do it, but then bitch about how it's being done...

All. Of Ewers plays from last season. https://youtu.be/kkmg5io1pfc

I'm not sure if that move would've ever taken place or not, but the PAC didn't do themselves any favors by rushing to invite Colorado so there wouldn't be room for Baylor because there would be no polluting of the PAC 10 with a Christian school. Then a couple of days ago, I was listening to some PAC 12 mouth, they are fine with SMU joining, but really wish they could shake Baylor and TCU free... Oh how the arrogant have fallen... From having their finger on the trigger in position to effectively kill off the Big 12, but there would never be a Christian school in the sacred PAC 10, so the the power division of the Big 12 could either like it or fuck off. To having a Methodist school as one of the two "must have's", but wishing they could get Baptist Baylor and Texas Christian. The PAC have been fucking a duck the entire decade this round of realignment has been going on. Their. They have fucked themselves continually at only aggy could compete with. Whiffed on the entire Big 12 south... Which would've put the PAC shoulder to should with the other two. Whiffed again on OU, and in the process, likely killed any chance of OU 2ver looking west again when they made a public spectacle of telling OU to fuck off... As smart as they believed themselves to be, not understand that OU was offering them UT giftwrapped. It wouldn't have taken long for us to have followed. We damn sure wouldn't have went east at that time, too much bad blood with the gimp little brother... Then to prioritize getting the PAC into Asia over securing exposure in your home country, like where your recruits are going to be coming from, not to mention the viewers who actually know what an Oregon duck is. Or to be up to their nostrils in quicksand, but each time someone would consider throwing them a lifeline, to carry on as if they were the ones in the position of power and if they were lucky enough to allow them to carry the PAC games, they should be forever grateful, because obviously the PAC wasn't letting just anyone to carry their games.. But when the last AT&T lifeboat was about to push off from the Titanic, offered to make room for them, to insist not only on sitting at the front, but to have the entire bench to yourself? That's as aggy as it gets. Legends in their own minds... The punchline to the PAC joke was when they finally got the great visionary, Larry Scott out of there, it seems they replaced him with Larry Scott 2.0. I might be wrong, but from the outside, he seems to be every bit as arrogant and will say anything in the moment, without considering that within 24 hours, everyone will know he's full of shit and will make up shit just to look good in the moment without thinking about how it is going to make him/them look by morning. And that's aggy to the core. Fuck the Pac right along with OU.