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Fine let me explain, the absolute gist of it is that we all think there is a better candidate than Biden, hell I think I am better than him and people loathe me online. But at the end of the day we need to have some humility there is no perfect candidate there is no one that can come down and win by 15% as some naively think. I blame Biden for so many damn things, but history is so dire for a switch so late, it is the only path and I mean only path I see for a Nixon style blowout aka 100% guaranteed loss. I still think that Biden can fall asleep every single day and we stand a better shot with that than a brokered convention.

Exactly history proves us otherwise, this is exactly what Donald Trump wants, see him being quiet.

You said it, why are you trolling?

I have only one rule, no time machines build one please and save us. Otherwise what is the point? I only care moving forward if Biden calls it quits and the result is a disaster I will not be wasting a second arguing hey guys should have listened to me!

See the dude that said his friends think Gavin (the closest to an anti biden candidate) is too slimy, this is it folks we are destined to lose because each one of us would rather go high than go low, be right than win.

Nobody knows there are a a significant chunk of democrat voters that are policy wonks, they would say he has not earned it, get angry that they got passed over for promotion and stay home. If anything I am apocalyptic at the people that think it is this easy. It is a trillion dollar industry and we are monday morning quaterbacking.

It is not scared, it is about the data, people really like to vote for Biden, primaries and elections post Trump prove it, we are looking to cast all of that aside for neoriticsm and unprovable theories. Biden is too old to be president could literally end up being as relevant as Biden is too short to be president, or Biden is too ugly to be president, there is no result out there that has ever proven this, hell voters prefer older candidates more and more and more. What if Democrats had said in 2020 only 60 year on younger can ride this ride? the electorate could have stayed home have any of you considered that a good chunk of it are old people? Biden wins elections, all we have are theories that he will not.

Donald Trump has 40-42% in polls, that is way way way lower than 2020 even his ceiling of 45% is 100% guarantee of failure. He can only win if the 53% anti trump coalition does not vote. That is it that is his only path to victory, not if Biden dies tomorrow, not if he falls asleep every single day, (the latter based on polling) it is the 53% not showing up for the polls and the only scenario I see this happening is in a democrat civil war.

I would still like to see his poll numbers crumble or collapse after the debate to make that decision, with data, we are not seeing that. What I am seeing is people thinking they can get their candidate in. That is what is killing making him lose projections (I am voting for Bernie of staying home!), ironically his polling numbers should be a disaster with how many people think they are right.

Donald Trump has worse polling than when he did in 2020 (I am talking about his points not the delta), meaning that this entire election is close because people are panicking and wishcasting their own perfect candidate that A) does not exist B) will NOT have consensus even if he or she did C) Would be torn back down to earth in no time.

Ironically I am less worried about independents than I am about democrats just crying themselves to sleep and not going to the polls.

They have, 538 correctly picked every single senate seat in 2020, including the second round needed in Georgia, they have been terrible in the past, but according to people here Biden should have cratered like he is now polling at 20% or something when he has actually gained a margin of error. That is nowhere near reality.

All the polling data says you are wrong and you still want to be proven right, color me unimpressed.

I mean the other idiot is borderline 80 as well? your common sense is completely useless because according to you neither Trump nor Biden should be electable but here we are. Again your common sense is useless, it is not matching up with reality, it is like arguing that quantum mechanics have no common sense hence it is fake, it is loser talk.

There isn't an obvious difference he is not doing that terror face every day, just for 5 minutes in a fucking debate people that has passed and people are not punishing him for. If Biden were doing the terror face daily you guys might have a point but all of you are acting like tapper running that tape again and again and again and again, because you rather be right than win.

Common sense is the death of reason, its like superstition dressed up in nerd glasses. Gimme data, or give me history not your common sense, the common sense that Donald Trump should have never gotten to this point is why the system was shit and designed to fail.

This was the exact same argument made in 2020. Biden won't even survive until 2024, much good it did Trump then.

The last sentence is pure wishcasting without any semblance of reality or historical record, one could argue that female presidential candidates have 0% chance based on history. and like a 1% chance based on primary data.

No shit I would vote for Romney if he was in Biden's place, but Biden got to where he is at by winning elections, the same thing we are panicked on him losing. I was pissed when he crushed South Carolina, the stutterer just wins elections and we want to throw it all away because we are being neurotic and overthinking things.

She does not, this is fucking unprecedented, the comfort people have to vote for someone is deeply more intimate than I will just click on a youtube video. Also the media seems to be in the pocket for Trump, they made double the money under him than they did under Biden, they will amplify her weaknesses and call it a public service to our fucking face.

What data do you have of this? all the data says otherwise.

That is not what history says, people would simply argue that they do not know who Whitmer is, GOP would never vote for her and here we are. The danger is not losing votes, it is people not voting, there are not enough people that have their minds open at this stage.

We are going to lose this election because people are being whiny cowards, think about this for a second, stop posting, get angry that you are being manipulated by Donald Trump and reach your fucking senses. Stop allowing panic to set in, stop allowing Trump to terrorize you into making a mistake, and stop being neurotic, you guys are overthinking this. If the worst debate in the history of humanity did not move needles then Biden falling asleep every single day in front of the cameras will have no effect. You all would rather be right than win, I stopped wanting to be right the minute I argued Hillary was a mistake... in the fucking primaries.

From the very beginning the election was viewed as winnable by Biden because people believed the whiners would fall in line, its either Biden or Trump, but in creating the mythology that a plan B is available (namely their candidate) that it means that Biden would poll absolutely terribly until then, the debate moved no needles with indys but the Democract coup from whiners is where he is hemorrhaging support. The whole thing primaries was supposed to solve was rolled back plan Bers now have the blood they were looking for 3 months too late, the Democratic party splintering apart before the convention. Leading us with a plan B being a democrat civil war because they won't coalesce, people will complain about the plan B candidate as hard as they do for Biden and with the added time constraint that they are almost all of them unknowns to the public, would allow Trump to cruise to victory. There are zero viable plan Bs that don't involve a time machine, and a neurotic democratic party is fumbling the ball. I don't care if Biden is dead or in a coma, the country has survived a dead candidate, it can not survivie the revenge tour. This should be what democrats need to be pushing and blasting everywhere, instead ABC news is saying the supremce court ruling was fine, lets report on the debate from last week though. Also for the record I do agree that Biden does not have the guts to do what is right I think, even if president for 4 more years he would be delaying the inevitable the molasses coup, but it is STILL too late for a plan B.

The media absolutely loves a Trump dictatorship because it makes them enormous amount of money, aka war is good for business. Fucking asshole did not dissolve the NYT or CNN when he could have either, giving us that albatross still.