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I mean it's pretty obvious what happened here. He wanted to get paid to play, he didn't want to get paid for NIL. Of course most people on this thread think they are the same thing and apparently so did his dumb as fuck agent and that's why he got told to go fuck himself. The rules are the rules and the law is the law apparently for some of you that doesn't matter, and you are the same group that would find yourself in this situation personally if you were involved in NIL.

this is misleading at best. There has been a pretty significant amount of attribution done with these NIL brand deals and the corporate brand deals have an ROI component they have to satisfy to continue doing the deals. It's why Dr. Pepper continues to pick big name QB's for fansville etc. They actually do make money and/or see sales traction or brand affinity because of these deals. I haven't seen the raw numbers for lamborghini, but I've helped facilitate as have many others on this board corporate NIL deals that weren't just for fun and to pay players because they liked the football team. These deals turn into real money for the companies.

fantastic post.

Random EE majors don't have an external regulatory agency or stipulations on eligibility or enrollment for classes to do anything they want with their NIL, or getting paid to do stuff like code or create circuit designs (Pay for play in their case). That's what is pissing me off about this. There are rules, these rules aren't getting broken by an extremely large supermajority, and especially at Texas. The rules are there to protect everyone from shit like this. Shit like this happens when morons are involved and think they are getting paid to play.

He can sign whenever he wants, he's already a student-athlete. It would just be weird for him to be doing brand promotion and stuff for UNLV when he's playing for a different team. lol High school recruits cannot sign before they enroll. Student athletes can sign whenever the hell they want. I signed with Jared Wiley before he xferred to TCU and continued to pay him while he was there and he did an interview as a TE with TCU for the program where we talked about navigating the transfer process and playing against his old team etc.

yeah, they aren't getting paid to play football...

is this mental gymnastics or are my posts that express clear intent quid pro quo and fall within the guidelines that are published publicly mental gymnastics? That's the difference and why I'm telling you guys to stop. Stop conflating bullshit, it makes NIL and pay for play nefarious.

BUT ITS ALL PAY FOR PLAY YOU FUCKING IDIOT WHAT DO YOU KNOW.

Brandon Harris for Football. GM is currently only a football position, but there are folks within the AD that act in the GM capacity for womens sports as a whole and other mens sports (bball, baseball, etc) In baseball the head coach has acted as GM, I'm not sure how Schloss has it set up atm, but I'm pretty sure his GM/acting GM is Bishop You aren't too far off on the "real order", I will speak for the collectives I know that no verbal agreement or offer is made prior to commitment/transfer. There is talk about what athlete expectations are and if those expectations align with a potential reality and scenario at Texas. There is a lot that can happen between an Agent and the collective but not directly from the player and the collective even before they are enrolled at the university that are completely legal and everyone is doing the same thing, as close as they can to the line. I would say your scenarios are great at distinctly calling out the difference in what they are being paid to do and why/when they enrolled. I'm not here saying without NIL that all these dudes come here, I'm saying that they don't come here only because of NIL. At some schools that could definitely not be the case, they are going there purely for the NIL opportunity and the only reason that exists is because the collective is overpaying for NIL because they desire to field a competitive football team. What the collective gets out of it and what the athlete get out of it are two different things, the university is actually the beneficiary of the collective aligning with their common goal: fielding a competitive football team.

Seems pretty pretty fucking consistent.

Yes, this is the way. I'm not saying that it isn't "wink-wink", I'm saying that "wink-wink" isn't something you can take to the bank and exposes risks that are well known to both parties in entering the "wink-wink" agreement. This x100, it will likely be more aligned with real NIL though as the people that go beyond the pfp direct university deal will have a brand worth promoting and doing stuff with. It won't be for the baseline guys etc. yep, this is pretty much what happened. I'm not being obtuse and I'm not living in some naive world where the amount of NIL that a player gets isn't a major factor in their willingness to enroll wherever they are going to get the most money/best deal. I'm just saying very explicitly that no collective or university that plans on wanting to keep their wins is blatantly paying for play.

it's not PfP and Xavier was never going to "sit out", and he never threatened to transfer. His team was going to maximize his NIL opportunities which were real NIL opportunities that did not include compensation for play or on field performance wherever that would have been, but wanted to stay at Texas if those opportunities were matched or bested. You and many others are conflating things together. Just because the team/university/coaching staff benefit from a player being really happy about the NIL deals they are getting, and those deals being way bigger than they arguably should be and have more equivalence to pay for play contract values does not mean that they are pay for play or that any enforcement mechanism, language, expectation, anything is set in contract or even out of the contract to mean "pay for play". This leaves a ton of room for hurt feelings and a bunch of butthurt or whatever, but what it doesn't provide for is any room to say yeah fuck this I'm not gonna play football at this school anymore, because football has nothing to do with the contract or terms of the deal. If you choose not to play football because you are butthurt about the NIL deal you did or didn't get that makes you a fucking shithead, it doesn't make the collective a scammer, it doesn't make the coaches badguys, it doesn't make the university take responsibility for anything. This is an extremely important distinction that you keep glazing over with your "handwaving" and magical "it's pfp, but not really in any way at all is it pfp". There is no "grey area" here, they aren't paid to play - full stop. It's like arguing that PTA's are worthless and stupid and have nothing to do with a school being better/worse than other schools in the same ISD. The PTA is like an NIL deal. They can pay for better playground equipment, new paint for classrooms, all kinds of stuff that the district allows for them and it makes that school more desirable for their children to go to and for other children who want to transfer from other schools in the ISD to that one. The NIL program at Texas is like the best fucking PTA in existence that maxes out spending on all the stuff that is allowable by state and local laws to make the school awesome outside of state, isd and federal funding. Texas One Fund is a big reason why people like the entirety of their time at the University. It's not the reason they are at the University, but it could be a good reason to look at it because of everyone's raving about past experience and how it makes things just better overall.

it's all fixed next season. Pay for play is legal with revshare through university and coaches directly authorizing payments and dollar amounts to specific players.

Barry Odom can't work for the collective or do negotiations on their behalf. That's a rule fucking everywhere and it's not a bad one even if these deals were pay to play.

I just checked the NFL site, looks like this is the requirement. they wouldn't be paying anything if they were compliant. Next season they can pay him with revenue sharing and direct NIL deals with the university.

it's 21 years or 3 years of NCAA experience either/or currently isn't it? As in you can be 21 and never played college football or you can play 3 years starting at 17 or younger and still go. I don't think they allow under 18 for legal reasons. I vaguely remember this because I was curious about it a while back and read about it, but can't really recall the details. IDK that they'll ever get away from that rule just because of how physically demanding/violent the sport is.

lmao holy absolute fuck this is cooked.

I mean it turned into a media shitstorm, even if he comes back now it still looks bad for everyone - now he looks like he's getting paid to play straight up, the collective looks like they had to save face, the school is going to be for sure investigated etc etc.

The damage seems irreversible at this point.

Call it a hunch but Texas One Fund may be doing deals that dwarf this one and the right way. Not guessing BTW.

Generally speaking it would help a lot more than it would hurt for everyone. I think disclosure timing for terms, compensation etc should be delayed, but the general deliverables and confirmation for the agreement should be as soon as reasonable.

No, it's not as underhanded and shady as you guys are making it seem and there are actually a lot of rules that protect everyone from situations exactly like this. That's why doing shit the way you guys are saying and defending IS THE CAUSE of shitty situations like this.

Correct. This is why it sucks. It sucks for everyone.

I think the issue here is that if you stop coming to practice and games you are removed from the team and no longer a student athlete and likely if there was an agreement it would be for a student athlete (regardless of school). That IS part of the legal framework and a protection that does exist for NIL collectives/payers. If they aren't a student athlete it can void the agreement. It just can't say where they must be enrolled or playing.

This is my entire point. Thank you.