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yeah, they aren't getting paid to play football...

is this mental gymnastics or are my posts that express clear intent quid pro quo and fall within the guidelines that are published publicly mental gymnastics? That's the difference and why I'm telling you guys to stop. Stop conflating bullshit, it makes NIL and pay for play nefarious.

BUT ITS ALL PAY FOR PLAY YOU FUCKING IDIOT WHAT DO YOU KNOW.

Brandon Harris for Football. GM is currently only a football position, but there are folks within the AD that act in the GM capacity for womens sports as a whole and other mens sports (bball, baseball, etc) In baseball the head coach has acted as GM, I'm not sure how Schloss has it set up atm, but I'm pretty sure his GM/acting GM is Bishop You aren't too far off on the "real order", I will speak for the collectives I know that no verbal agreement or offer is made prior to commitment/transfer. There is talk about what athlete expectations are and if those expectations align with a potential reality and scenario at Texas. There is a lot that can happen between an Agent and the collective but not directly from the player and the collective even before they are enrolled at the university that are completely legal and everyone is doing the same thing, as close as they can to the line. I would say your scenarios are great at distinctly calling out the difference in what they are being paid to do and why/when they enrolled. I'm not here saying without NIL that all these dudes come here, I'm saying that they don't come here only because of NIL. At some schools that could definitely not be the case, they are going there purely for the NIL opportunity and the only reason that exists is because the collective is overpaying for NIL because they desire to field a competitive football team. What the collective gets out of it and what the athlete get out of it are two different things, the university is actually the beneficiary of the collective aligning with their common goal: fielding a competitive football team.

Seems pretty pretty fucking consistent.

Yes, this is the way. I'm not saying that it isn't "wink-wink", I'm saying that "wink-wink" isn't something you can take to the bank and exposes risks that are well known to both parties in entering the "wink-wink" agreement. This x100, it will likely be more aligned with real NIL though as the people that go beyond the pfp direct university deal will have a brand worth promoting and doing stuff with. It won't be for the baseline guys etc. yep, this is pretty much what happened. I'm not being obtuse and I'm not living in some naive world where the amount of NIL that a player gets isn't a major factor in their willingness to enroll wherever they are going to get the most money/best deal. I'm just saying very explicitly that no collective or university that plans on wanting to keep their wins is blatantly paying for play.

it's not PfP and Xavier was never going to "sit out", and he never threatened to transfer. His team was going to maximize his NIL opportunities which were real NIL opportunities that did not include compensation for play or on field performance wherever that would have been, but wanted to stay at Texas if those opportunities were matched or bested. You and many others are conflating things together. Just because the team/university/coaching staff benefit from a player being really happy about the NIL deals they are getting, and those deals being way bigger than they arguably should be and have more equivalence to pay for play contract values does not mean that they are pay for play or that any enforcement mechanism, language, expectation, anything is set in contract or even out of the contract to mean "pay for play". This leaves a ton of room for hurt feelings and a bunch of butthurt or whatever, but what it doesn't provide for is any room to say yeah fuck this I'm not gonna play football at this school anymore, because football has nothing to do with the contract or terms of the deal. If you choose not to play football because you are butthurt about the NIL deal you did or didn't get that makes you a fucking shithead, it doesn't make the collective a scammer, it doesn't make the coaches badguys, it doesn't make the university take responsibility for anything. This is an extremely important distinction that you keep glazing over with your "handwaving" and magical "it's pfp, but not really in any way at all is it pfp". There is no "grey area" here, they aren't paid to play - full stop. It's like arguing that PTA's are worthless and stupid and have nothing to do with a school being better/worse than other schools in the same ISD. The PTA is like an NIL deal. They can pay for better playground equipment, new paint for classrooms, all kinds of stuff that the district allows for them and it makes that school more desirable for their children to go to and for other children who want to transfer from other schools in the ISD to that one. The NIL program at Texas is like the best fucking PTA in existence that maxes out spending on all the stuff that is allowable by state and local laws to make the school awesome outside of state, isd and federal funding. Texas One Fund is a big reason why people like the entirety of their time at the University. It's not the reason they are at the University, but it could be a good reason to look at it because of everyone's raving about past experience and how it makes things just better overall.

it's all fixed next season. Pay for play is legal with revshare through university and coaches directly authorizing payments and dollar amounts to specific players.

Barry Odom can't work for the collective or do negotiations on their behalf. That's a rule fucking everywhere and it's not a bad one even if these deals were pay to play.

I just checked the NFL site, looks like this is the requirement. they wouldn't be paying anything if they were compliant. Next season they can pay him with revenue sharing and direct NIL deals with the university.

it's 21 years or 3 years of NCAA experience either/or currently isn't it? As in you can be 21 and never played college football or you can play 3 years starting at 17 or younger and still go. I don't think they allow under 18 for legal reasons. I vaguely remember this because I was curious about it a while back and read about it, but can't really recall the details. IDK that they'll ever get away from that rule just because of how physically demanding/violent the sport is.

lmao holy absolute fuck this is cooked.

I mean it turned into a media shitstorm, even if he comes back now it still looks bad for everyone - now he looks like he's getting paid to play straight up, the collective looks like they had to save face, the school is going to be for sure investigated etc etc.

The damage seems irreversible at this point.

Call it a hunch but Texas One Fund may be doing deals that dwarf this one and the right way. Not guessing BTW.

Generally speaking it would help a lot more than it would hurt for everyone. I think disclosure timing for terms, compensation etc should be delayed, but the general deliverables and confirmation for the agreement should be as soon as reasonable.

No, it's not as underhanded and shady as you guys are making it seem and there are actually a lot of rules that protect everyone from situations exactly like this. That's why doing shit the way you guys are saying and defending IS THE CAUSE of shitty situations like this.

Correct. This is why it sucks. It sucks for everyone.

I think the issue here is that if you stop coming to practice and games you are removed from the team and no longer a student athlete and likely if there was an agreement it would be for a student athlete (regardless of school). That IS part of the legal framework and a protection that does exist for NIL collectives/payers. If they aren't a student athlete it can void the agreement. It just can't say where they must be enrolled or playing.

This is my entire point. Thank you.

It has everything to do with it, as now seen by "their story" there's not even a fucking deal in place and there never was.

That's like saying you are over there with no expertise, no credentials and no real access to information saying "I did my own research" and coming to an absolutely false conclusion that is provably incorrect and saying I'm an idiot for being correct while having all the expertise, credentials and working experience to show how things are factually correct and how things actually are. You are actually the idiot here and me telling you that and explaining this to you over and over with real examples and real experience is showing that. Welcome to reality where your normalized bullshit idea of the world doesn't matter. They had a legal agreement.

No I'm not. I'm telling you all how it is. This isn't business because he can't get paid to play. The entire premise of its just business is ridiculous. Now that the full story has seemingly come out and it's believable. Look how bad EVERYONE looks. It doesn't absolve the player of shit. It makes him arguably look dumber and worse. They never even SPOKE to the collective, the mechanism for funding the supposed NIL deal that is now being openly admitted to as a tampering violation, portal violation and inducement. Everything and everyone in this situation loses because of how idiots like you are thinking. You think it's pay for play and unspoken entitlements matter. They fucking don't and now this team is fucked and everyone involved is fucked.

Oh look! Dude didn't have a contract and didn't get paid to play and an assistant coach who isn't allowed to negotiate NIL deals is the guy who is being blamed. So this guy who did absolutely nothing right, negotiated nothing and is airing his grievances and quitting his team publicly because he's a dunce who was duped by some assistant coach who can't possibly represent the collective or the university in what he was offering. Got it got it. Seems like this guy made the right decision and it's all on the up and up. Nothing to see here.

It's not legally obtuse. If your pussy hurts from a non enforceable legal framework that is clearly spelled out then you are the fuck up. That's why this situation sucks for EVERYONE. I'm not saying this guy shouldn't get paid more or shouldn't have a grievance. The way he went about it, publicly quit the team and told everyone to go fuck themselves is anti team, anti brand and shows a level of selfishness that is remarkable even in today's world. Its shitty for the team because they are doing really well, they are now being punished by a main part of their offense just quitting for reasons that have nothing to do with coaching philosophy, playtime, injury, anything to do with football, anything to do with relationships of the players on that team etc. Its shitty for the institution because they have to protect their brand, quell any notion that they and the boosters are scamming people to come there and obviously remove the stipend and scholarship from this player who is refusing to participate in team activities as is most likely in his scholarship contract. The boosters/collectives lose a ton of credibility and have to explicitly shit on this guy in public to save their image or just kinda take one on the chin and hope people take the explanation privately later on. Its shitty for everyone. Its completely lose lose, there is no win in it for anyone and this guy is gonna get fucking crucified in the portal next season because no one wants to normalize this behavior.