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Serak The Preparer
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I don't know if I am included in this, but I don't think it is partisan sniping to explain why people are angry. I am not saying whether the anger is justified, but it is also simply not correct to state that people are angry simply that Trump visited a church. To use an analogy I used in another thread, it's like expressing disbelief that putting your finger on a piece of curved metal and pulling can get you charged with murder by firearm!
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@Sgt Hulk I ask you also. Is it the church visit itself that you think is causing anger? Would orange man bad lead to the bishop of the church calling out Trump if he just walked over without any violence?
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So do both of you think the main complaint here is that he just visited a church? Like if he just strolled up to the apse and delivered a sermon (or even just a photo op) then there would be the same anger? Or do you think it might the tear gas fired into a peaceful crowd on the way that is causing more anger?
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Hah, no but that is certainly a poster who comes to mind, as you can see in my edit.
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There is a thread in About The Board dealing with this issue. Long and short is that @blacklab and @immamac don't want too much personal back and forth (or at least is my understanding). More asshole calling than usual in these parts. I suspect if I were to call someone an asshole in a random football or recruiting thread then it would be as ok as it normally is, but for better or worse these are different threads. For example, even that in that thread it is pretty kosher to call female posters cunts with fat asses and all is cool. But this thread is different.
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And it you think that Antifa pulled in multiple pallets of bricks in multiple cities in preparation for multiple riots with nothing leaking before hand you would be plain... what?
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So not trying to put words in your mouth, but is it fair to say then that you support a decision to tear gas a crowd that might get violent but has not actually gotten violent?
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What do you base that on?
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It's been said over and over that there is no bottom. Then there is a gif of Pence being sad. And I laugh, but I shouldn't. Because there is no bottom.
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Don't worry. Slorch is well known for understanding other's view points and reacting well as new shit is brought to light. I am sure that he will be in here shortly to express an updated opinion based on new information.
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He fucking did publicly denounce the shootings you moron. He was in Europe when it happened and held a press conference in Warsaw, Poland shortly afterwords. He left Europe early to come back to the U.S. as a direct result of the shootings. I am sorry he didn't stop by your house to have a chat afterwords and discuss next steps, but it is simply laughable to suggest that Obama didn't publicly respond to the shootings.
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You know, fair enough. I still think you are reading waaay too much into his words, but I also know that I have felt aggrieved even when the other party didn't intend to. I get why you are pissed, while also thinking that it is not accurate to say that BT called posters "political terrorists" merely for expressing their opinion.
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No he didn't, at least not in what you quoted. He said there were political terrorist movements. That is not the same thing as calling you, me, or even random Joe Blow on the street a political terrorist. It's like saying is acting like an asshole, or said/did something racists. It doesn't mean that individual is an asshole or racist.
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Holy shit. That was your gotcha? Brisket not calling anyone out, not referring to a single poster? Not even calling non-Surly individuals a political terrorist? That is some extreme weaksauce.
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I would argue that the moral core of this country equates the looting and destruction with systemic racism. Being disgusted with the murder of Floyd doesn't DO anything. And it HASN'T done anything. The effects of systemic racism is just that - systemic. It is not just Floyd, and the solution to systemic racism is not to say, "ok, we'll shoot fewer of you". In that sense I think the center of the country needs to be torn apart, at least the complacency of it.
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This is like saying "All I did was put my finger on a piece of metal and pulled on it, and all of a sudden I'm getting charged with shooting a guy!". I don't know the post you are referring to, but I don't think it is the "audacity to voice their opinions" that leads to being called a political terrorist.
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I don't think anyone (or at least the large majority of people) are throwing accusations because of actions of ancestors. It is more acknowledgement that our ancestors did some really ahitty things and we benefit from it. Where we go from there can encompass anything from wealth redistribution / reparations to tearing down institutional policies to simple conversations. Maybe I am placing too much emphasis on your discomfort with the word accusation but I am coming to feel that as we (whites) think about our history that we start imagining more anger and accusation that actually exists to individuals.
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Not trying to be the proverbial snowflake, but are above posts by Johnny cool? If so, are replies cool?
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Understood, and apologies for my contributions to the derailment. Very sincere appreciation to Pancho for sharing his feelings. I think the discussion of "seeing race" vs "not seeing race" was interesting, especially as I also have younger kids who don't currently see race as important (but I don't see that staying the same forever). But even so that should be secondary to just listening and hearing before reacting.
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I wasn't complaining about your post, but if you honestly think saying that Obama was a shitty president is not a provocative statement, especially given the recent warning against political statements in multiple threads in DT, than I think your reading of other individuals is a little more suspect than you imagine.
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No, you did differentiate in your response. Wulaw called Omaba a shitty president. You replied (in this thread) without comment. Other posters said he was not shitty, and that perhaps other presidents were shitty. That is when you stepped in with your usual butthurt and crying. So why is it you had no problem with the first, provocative statement? Crybaby indeed.
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This of course completely ignores the incident that sparked all of these protests involved 4 cops! The problem with police force is not individual bad actors. It is system violence and illegal behavior.
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Let's just say I don't think revenue centers are numbers 1-5 on the top 5 issues impacting the protests across the country. Even if you were to draw indirect effects of how revenue management influences department behavior, the presence or absence of a union is not what is driving police behavior.
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Hey all, I don't want to be political in here, but the problem is Antifa and Unions!
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Oh fuck off you disingenuous ass. You seemed to have no problem with Wulaw calling Obama an incredibly shitty president, making a post afterwords with no comment. But people respond and you get the fucking vapors. You fool nobody.
