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Overwhelmingly, this seems to be surgical subspecialist and people who don't deal directly with Covid patients. Maybe they should pull a shift in the ICU or ED. The radiologist frankly shocks me. It's hard not to be a believer when you have looked at hundreds of Covid pneumonia chest x rays and CTs of the chest.

I kind of like the contrarians in our society to avoid groupthink but they are often narcissistic and don't know when to stop. So that's how we get Joe Rogan and Tucker C overstepping their lane and get stupid on us. This is true for all of these crackpot "experts" going viral with FB "doctors" propagating the BS in an effort for confirmation bias.

Kids wearing masks correctly is like trying to bathe a cat so while masks work, realistically they won’t in elementary school. The reason kids didn’t get Covid last year is because the alpha variant just wasn’t very contagious among those under 12. And normal vitamin D levels are correlated with better outcomes than low levels for hospitalization and death. We just don’t know if supplementing them in for treatment works, so I will give the guy a half pass on that. But his message overall was extremely dangerous.

This doctor is almost completely wrong. It’s hard to be that wrong but he gave it a valiant effort. He will go down in the legends of misinformation allong with the demon sperm doctor.

Right when school starts. I gotta feeling we may see decrease in adult numbers but a spike in children. Maybe hospitalizations will go down???? And we are comparing apples to oranges with other countries. Don’t underestimate our obese unhealthy and undisciplined population’s ability to make Covid appear worse than other places.

So, I receive 10 Covid shots I get $200? I can make that happen.

Y’all can give out Darwin awards all you want but the truth is most of these people have bred and already passed their excellent genetics and reasoning skills to the next generation.

Narrator, “It is”

Gotta love her genuine spirit. And from the great state of Texas.

Pretty much this. I think we know of a smaller fraction of infection than prior to Delta spread for a few reasons. 1) Younger people experiencing symptoms may be less inclined to get tested due to the mild nature of even the Delta variant in a lot of them. I have diagnosed Covid in a lot of people who came in for their "allergies." 2) Many who are resistant to vaccination may also be resistant to seek medical care anyway. Who wants to be proven wrong? (this is a spitball comment by me). 3) Vaccinated breakthrough cases are largely mild and may not prompt people to seek care for their mild illness. OTC testing kit positives may never seek care and be counted as an official positive. I think this is why we see an incongruence in the number of young people officially diagnosed and then entering the hospital for care. There are so many infections that we are bound to have younger well people hospitalized just by chance of bad outcomes. This happens in influenza. If you get enough healthy people sick, some are going to have a horrible reaction to their infection. My conjecture is that we have a lot of uncounted infections and this is why we see the strain on the hospital systems already. We can only hope the Delta strain burns through quickly like other countries. I am glad that many more are getting vaccinated but we are six weeks too late on this action. I would be surprised if we peak prior to the start of school. And with the easier spread among children under 12, Delta could potentially run rampant through our elementary schools and middle/high schools (with poor immunization rates) if mitigation measures are not taken. The alpha variant did not do this.

Except that poor hospital outcomes were associated with low Vitamin D and rates of death increased the lower the Vitamin D level dropped and supplementation showed benefit in Covid. Would I use it as my saving therapy? No. But it’s a low risk augmenting therapy. Otherwise, supplements are a lot of bs most of the time.

With side effects that are a lot more risky and common. Just for the advantage of a temporary boner.

Depends on how fast it burns through the unvaccinated. It will find them. I think I said earlier that the delta variant has pushed severity down into the lower age groups. We just don't know how aggressive it will be causing serious disease in the younger population. Although in our southern states with lower vaccination rates, there are plenty of obese, diabetic people in the 30-50+ age range.

Delta plus low vaccination rates plus lots of summer camps/activities = FAAFO. Just a preview for school if we don’t get the 12+ group vaccinated.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/heres-how-well-covid-19-vaccines-work-against-the-delta-variant Good info on what we know so far about vaccine efficacy and Delta. Real world, I am seeing it spread among younger kids and I have had several breakthrough cases (for all vaccines) this weekend in my clinic alone but all breakthroughs would be considered mild cases. The unvaccinated seem to have more significant symptoms per age group than before. For example, most 20-30 year olds with the old variant had symptoms akin to the common cold. That same group presenting naive to the virus and unvaccinated now have more flu like than cold symptoms. Our hospital has fit middle age people with Covid misrepresented in the ICU vs 6 months prior. I was pissed when the media and Fauci made a big deal about the previous British, South Africa and Brazil variants because they were not significantly more virulent than our original variant. Now we have a case of the "Boy who cried wolf" and our partisan divide has left people blinded to the shit show that is happening around them. Maybe they'll have an epiphany when their hunting buddy is found lying on the couch gasping for air with his 55% O2 saturation but by God, they can't force me to take that experimental Biden juice.

For the honest skeptic, there’s an internet with good search engines that will lead you to information that used to be only accessible easily at research institutions. Information outside the filtered BS of social media, CNN and Fox News. Until you show any inclination to engage in honest questions then you will appear as the troll. It’s the vibe you’ve demonstrated on this thread. You’re not clever. It’s annoying.

The concept of societal constructs and public health completely baffles some of our posters. I have lost complete patience for the idiot faction in our society that continues to double down on stupidity and lack of common sense for the ideology and religion of factional pseudoscience. I am done. I am tired.

First one today. Healthy, near 40 yo. Had Covid infection Spring of 2020. Immunized fully (2 dose series) this spring. Got it from her kid who got it from another kid at daycare. None of this is good. This is not what we saw prior to Delta. Someone's gonna have to tie me down when I hear the next idiot that doubles down on fake reasons to avoid getting vaccinated.

And the people in this story get voting rights to decide the fate of our country. Let that sink in.

The vast majority of the now # whatever wave we are now seeing in an outpatient setting are unvaccinated and mostly youngerish (< 60) people. The vaccinated breakthrough cases on those fully vaccinated tend to be mild and are usually a result of some young unvaccinated person significantly exposing the vaccinated person (same house, long car trip, summer camp, etc.). We have yet to see a reinfection in an immunocompetent person who has both been infected previously and subsequently immunized. Still not seeing second infections at a significant rate which is odd since supposedly the vaccine gives better immunity. Just anecdotal experience but our outpatient trends tend to preceded and reflect the official numbers.

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How bad is this thread? I'm putting Jar Jar in it...

So the news media jumped and ran with a story before getting any decent amount of facts and Surly joined right in.