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2 hours ago, utee94 said:
Well, it did cause the destruction of the B12 and sparked all conference realignment since the dawn of time, so it seems pretty relevant on this thread.
Have you been brainwashed by aggy?
Colorado left because they belong on the left coast. Nebraska left because they got a better suitor. aggy decided to leave at the same time but was just waiting for the right political environment (based on what their President said on the aggy website). Their whining about LHN was just a means to rile up stupid aggys (ie 98% of them) and somehow try to blame Texas for their own decision. Typical aggy. Can't take responsibility for their own actions.
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2 minutes ago, bullet said:
Have you been in a restaurant lately? Groups of young people often look like they were randomly put at the table together. Glued to their phones.
For that matter, sometimes at dinner with spouse and two teenage kids and I'm the only one not looking at a phone.
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4 hours ago, wood said:
Yep. I noticed a lady and her extremely hot 20-ish daughter (sorry, no creeper pics) come in just before Rice kickoff. I was tryna check out hot daughter when Mrs. wood (no pics) wasn't looking, but fatass mom was in the way. Literally 90% of the time when I looked over, they both had their heads buried in their phones, scrolling & typing like mad.
It's a bizarre phenomenon. They spent the considerable time, energy, and money it took to come to the game together, then hardly talked to one another and ignored the game.
Have you been in a restaurant lately? Groups of young people often look like they were randomly put at the table together. Glued to their phones.
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5 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:
I'm interested to see DKR when we play a SEC schedule next year with the teams that we will be seeing rotated through the schedule.
Well if we are ever on SEC Network, then you will REALLY see commercial timeouts. They have to drag out the girl's club lacrosse team and every teacher who got an award in the last month to fill the time during their TV timeouts.
The last minute decisions on start time hurt attendance too. Afternoon games were easy from Houston or Dallas. But evening you have to plan for. Its pretty late to be driving back. And you have to get up pretty early and don't have much tailgate time with those 11 am starts unless you stay the night before. Its even a bit of a pain if you are trying to coordinate watching with friends at home. The game time could be anywhere from 12 eastern to about 11 pm eastern before its over, but you don't know until a week or so in advance.
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11 hours ago, utee94 said:
I think the pandemic is definitely affecting it, but college football attendance had been declining for many years before 2020.
In many places, including UT, they're pricing existing fans out of the market, and they're not creating new fans to replace them. Part of it is the competition with television, streaming, and other entertainment options that the younger generations tend toward. But some of it is the simple fact that middle-classed parents can't take their family of four to a football game for a reasonable price, and so children aren't learning to love the game at an early age. Without that passion from childhood, as those kids grow into adults, they're less likely to care about attending a game in person.
This all started a couple of decades ago, and now we're starting to see the results of that fanship erosion taking effect.
Yeah. I have a $17 ticket for a 1994 UT game. Its been going on for a while.
But the biggest issue this year is the pandemic. The average college football fan is over 50. And I know a number of people who renewed their season tickets at various schools, but are not going to games. Its a big crowd and its a huge mass of people crowding in at the security checkpoint. The vaccines aren't working as well as originally advertised.
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9 hours ago, BrazilHorn said:
For sure, didn't make an exhaustive list here but USC was loud
Ricky's record breaking run vs Aggy was crazy loud game
the Nebraska games were loud etc
We have had 10 years of shitty football and unlike some campuses where there is nothing else to do in town, Austin offers a fuckload of distractions.
There was some noise in this Texas Tech game too.
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4 hours ago, Scooter Monzingo said:
I will politely disagree. They will do what they have always done. Occasionally land one or two guys like an Oliver, but can never sustain it.
A&M is a consistent 3rd or 4th place finisher and never at the top. They are a permanently hibernating giant. UH will have really good years at the top and years near the bottom. They are never going to be consistently good, but they will occasionally be. UCF is the only one of the 4 that could be classified as a sleeping giant, but I suspect they will be more like a Texas Tech than an FSU and could potentially be more like a Rutgers. Time will tell.
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7 hours ago, Slick16 said:
I've read the last 10 pages or so on this thread to try to get a sense of when we're most likely to get out of this POS conference. Could someone who is following it closely and who knows shit from wild honey about the contract implications kindly handicap the possibility that we could actually be free of these rubes by 2022? Thanks in advance...
Its quiet. That means they are talking.
Big 12 has BYU coming in 2023. The others are officially 2024, but they are publicly talking about negotiating for 2023. So that means everyone agrees Texas and OU will be in the SEC no later than 2023. And the anonymous quotes all say everyone wants it to happen as soon as possible. So if the lawyers can agree on the dollars, it will happen in 2022. Otherwise 2023.
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1 hour ago, gmr548 said:
Houston's not about to lock down the city and shut out Bama, LSU, aggy, etc. but if they're able to get even just a few of the four stars from around the area every year that'll instantly have them as one of the most talented rosters in the Big 12. They're not going to dominate the conference long term but a good coach will have them very competitive.
All they have to do is keep the Big 12 schools ahead of SEC schools not named LSU, Texas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma. Its up to Texas to keep Alabama from stealing more than 1 or 2 players. And LSU gets their pick in Louisiana, they only go for 4 or 5 in Texas.
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Maybe Tech, TCU and Baylor realize that UH far surpassed them in football and basketball during the SWC years.
UH was a dumpster fire in 1994 when it mattered, but over their 20 years in the SWC, they exceeded those other schools.
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1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:
He must not be reading any football boards. All around the country people are scratching their heads about UH. The other Big 12 schools are REALLY dissing on UH.
I thought UH HAD to be the 2nd choice after BYU. Big 12 had no Houston exposure. But most people have Houston as anything but Big 12 darlings. They are the WTF? of expansion for most people.
All the dissing from the other Big 12 schools tells me they will generate some good rivalries.
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5 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:
Hmmm?
I didn't say that. I think the "super bowl" thing is tiresome. I do think most schools get "up" to play us. And I think UA continues to treat this as a heated rivalry, while we don't.
I also have a feeling that maybe Arkansas will be improved this year.
ETA: Whether they were "up," or "playing their Super Bowl," and whether they're a much improved team is fairly irrelevant to the shit show we saw Saturday.
I am going to reiterate that Sarkco must have thought we had it going pretty good and ULaLa confirmed it, only to get pantsed at Arkansas. Still confounding as all hell.
It is Pittman's 2nd year as coach.
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21 hours ago, wmr said:
I attended Arkansas during the late 1990s. We were already SECSECSEC before I got there. I saw us play Texas in a Cotton Bowl on NYD 2000. That's it. It was cold, and we won. But I don't remember getting jacked up about it.
I was at that 1999 Tennessee game. We HATED Tennessee, but back then, Arkansas and Tennessee played every year. Since expansion 2.0, that game never gets played, so those feelings are gone.
We always hated LSU (mostly because their fans were so awful back then. Dysfunctional drunk South Louisianans. Even HOME games I hated to encounter Lsu fans. You haven't lived until you've been surrounded and taunted by VISITING fans).
Ole Miss is probably my least favorite team, but we seem to have really good karma against them, so its a rewarding hate.
I don't think I'll fully understand the old-head hate of Texas. I never cared that much. The excitement around this game and in Fayetteville before and after was a spectacle, so I understand it better now.
As for the domination of the series, I'm over 40 , and in my lifetime, the series is equal, or 10-9. Something like that. I was nice to all the Texas fans I encountered. And the three NE Texas bros who couldn't get an Uber to Drake Field around midnight, I was the big bastard who gave you a ride. You're welcome. Thanks for the tip.
3 times during the 60s, the DKR/Frank Broyles matchup decided the national title. 63, 64 and 69. Texas had the #2 record (behind bama) in the 60s and Arkansas was #3.
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On 9/12/2021 at 12:49 AM, Tommyd said:
Old enough to know the history of Arkansas/Texas football. Too many have forgotten this history. Arkansas fans see this as a rivalry, where as Texas fans don’t. Arkansas will always be pumped because this is taught to them early. Texas views OU or A&M as it’s rival. Arkansas has no true rival in the SEC. Regardless of records or expectations, know that the Hogs will be extra motivated. Welcome to the SEC. it will be entertaining.
aggy troll.
aggy wasn't even #3 when I was in school. It was 1. OU 2. Pig 3. UH.
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https://www.si.com/college/tmg/mark-blaudschun/jersey-guy-big-12-expansion
Sounds like everyone wants it to happen in 2022.
"...What we don't know is WHEN this going to happen.
Officially, the word being parsed out is that it will be at least two and perhaps 3 years before it can be implemented.
Which brings us back to Deep Throat: Follow the Money.
""Right now it's in the hands of the lawyers,'' said one source familiar with the talks being held in the conference offices. "It's all about settling on a price to let schools leave early.''
Right now Oklahoma, Texas, UCF, Cincinnati and Houston are lame duck members of their conferences.
No one on either side thinks that is a good situation for even one year, much less two or three years.
I"ve seen it before in the Big East (Boston College in 2004 before going to the ACC the following year,'' said one former conference administrator, ""and it was horrible.''The solution seems obvious...."
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On 9/12/2021 at 2:17 PM, bschoolprof said:
Again, I'd fall back on good fortune in hiring coaches. They went from Tressel to Luke Fickel, who led them to 6-7. They then hired one of the greatest college coaches of all time, and now have Day. We'll see how that plays out. There are some chinks in the armor (no racist). If they had Charlie Strong, and David McWilliams, and Tom Herman, they would be shitty to mediocre.
Seriously. Take a look at Alabama pre-Saban. They were worse than we were the last 10 years.
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On 9/12/2021 at 1:01 PM, Snacks said:
What? Sterling, Worthing, Washing, and Madison weren't shit forever. Madison was terrible, until VY.
Willowridge was black suburbia. Humble became blackish suburbia, then Atascocita.. (which is why they keep building new schools - sneetches gotta sneetch.)
North Shore is in a neighborhood of 3000+ sf homes... I lived there in 2000-2003 when they built the new stadium. What Northshore has is A BUNCH of people all at one school... and they have speed... and a coach that has a system to run... Just because the people are black, doesn't mean they're poor... not wealthy, sure, but Northshore is suburban.
Eisenhower is more of a dump now than it was back then (I lived walking distance to Eisenhower 10 years ago - now it's 3 miles away). All of the players at Eisenhower want to go to the league. We've had two of their best players wash out at Texas in the last 10 years or so. Eisenhower has always had talent (speed).
The issue with Texas HS football, imo, is the focus is on QB coaches and 7v7... all skill development and almost no OL development. hell, even the best DL are (mostly) dudes that were "skill" position players that grew.
This is not difficult. It's not. We don't need poverty as a motivator... that's garbage.
Get smart Centers, strong OGs that can pull, reach, get to the 2nd level, pick up a blitz, etc, and OTs than are strong and can move their feet laterally, have shown it on film... and develop them.
If you want to blame anything societal / cultural... it's that kids don't go outside as much any more. Digital entertainment means a bunch of dudes sit inside flicking their Dpad. Find the dudes that go outside and do shit and you'll likely find dudes that can play ball.
Madison had maybe 1 losing season from 1973 through VY (only missed the playoffs 4 times and 3 of those were when only the champ went in the 70s). Broderick Thomas (Nebraska great and long time NFL player) was there in the mid-80s. Got knocked out 2 years running by penetrations in the quarterfinals. During Yates great run in the mid 80s they lost something like 9 games in 6 years and 4 of those were to Madison. Willowridge is right next to Madison, just across the Ft. Bend County line. Not much difference except maybe the gangs got a better stronghold on Willowridge.
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On 9/12/2021 at 12:43 PM, MaybeACoordinator said:
The slow vanishing of dynasty inner city football programs in favor of suburban / exurban football factories where a ton of the kids
A) don't need football to make a life for themeselves; they have fallback. They might be kinda dull, but their fallbacks are not apartment complexes in the hood.
B) could be forgiven for kinda dialing it back in college. How much more thrilling can it be in front of larger crowds? Do you really want to put the work in to make it to the NFL, where best case scenario, you play ten years, make a fortune, but trade that for mushy knees and a smooth brain? How much hotter can your college GF be over the tail you were already pulling in HS?
I think North Shore might be the closest thing left to a Yates or a Carter from back in the day, and guess who is putting the most players in the league? It ain't Southlake Carroll or Stephenville. And when I was in HS, it wasn't just Yates in Houston, it was also Madison, Sterling, Worthing, Washington and later Willowridge. Aldine Eisenhower was the Acres Homes juggernaut and won a USA Today NC. Now those players get dispersed into the suburban football factories and I think they get spoiled there, same as the White kids. Or, and this is much sadder, the kids left behind in the old neighborhoods are in such hell zones football can't succeed.
I believe there is a sweet spot where you can have a drive to succeed brought on by the desperation of poverty, but that poverty can't be too terrible, or India would win everything at the Olympics. There needs to be social order, safe places to play and practice, adequate nutrition. You had that in the '80s in Third Ward but now that much of the Black middle class has moved to Pearland and Missouri City, not so much.
Yeah the Strong era was a failure but one of his minor successes was in bringing out of state kids. Quite a number of times when the D would make a play, it would be a dude from SC blowing up the middle, two dudes from Florida in the backfield causing a fumble, and then another from Louisiana scooping it up or another Floridian picking off a pass. Where would we have been without Poona Ford, to name one?
It's similar to baseball -- suburbanites have taken the sport and made it almost cost-prohibitive for any kid to play whose parents are pulling in $200k ....And so MLB gets ever more international as the number of hungry Americans is choked off at the little league level with rare exception. You've got to be a true prodigy and pick up some street agent types, I imagine.
Seems like California is going through the same shit....It's a national issue having much to do with gentrification and football is just one of the symptoms.
Interesting thoughts. DKR got a lot of those small town kids. Small town kids and inner city kids do tend to be hungrier.
I suspect if you did studies on success in business, you would find the highest achievers were the richest and the poorest. The richest had the resources and the time to focus. The poorest were hungry. And the upper middle class, while maybe having the highest average, would have the fewest exceptional performers.
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On 9/12/2021 at 12:39 PM, Snacks said:
Yep. Have to. Have to build a program with an offensive line. We're not flipping a switch on the OL. It will take time. I accept it.
If I'm looking at who is going to be good in college in those preseason reports, I look at returning offensive linemen. You need a good line and one that works well together. Its not a coincidence that those 2005 and 2009 teams had a lot of seniors on the line.
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On 9/12/2021 at 11:22 AM, MonkeyDoughnut said:
It's obvious and has been obvious for many years now that we're not stockpiled with talent in the area that matters most today, linemen. You can throw their star rankings out as they are guestimates at best. Our evaluations have been complete misses and the "locks" haven't been swayed to even think about coming here. It's one thing to need to convince 1 guy, but everyone sees we need 5 guys. We need the equivalent of the Michigan Fab 5 but with lineman to happen.
Portal must be the initial route to have any chance
On that idea, Texas is just not the best place for linemen, offensive or defensive. We probably need to mix in more out of state recruiting on linemen.
If we dominate the top QBs, WRs, RBs and secondary in Texas, we never need to go out of state (not that you don't take a swing at a Bijan or Ricky).
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On 9/12/2021 at 11:01 AM, mdmost said:
Yeah but here's the deal on hiring a great coach. Who was that exactly when we had the chance? Who was the better choice than Charlie at the time? James Franklin? I guess. He's not beating Ohio State ever. Jim Mora Jr? He's not even in college anymore. Don't say Saban as that's not reality.
Who was the better choice than Herman at the time? Losing Herman to LSU and watching him possibly win a MNC with them (yeah, yeah just humor me here) would've been the ultimate what if scenario.
Who was the better choice than Sark when Urban said lol, no? Brian Kelly said no or wasn't even considered.
When we pushed Mack out, we ran this exact risk, not hitting on the next guy. It's what Tennessee did after Fullmer. It's what Michigan did after pushing out Carr. I'd argue any coach worth his salt won't come to Texas because it's too much of a beating. If it were as great as we claim, it shouldn't be difficult to peel a decent coach away from an existing program. But it's not because we can't. We have to take projects and hope they can make it.
There was a better coach than Charlie Strong. Keeping Mack Brown. Not a great choice, but far better than the choice we made.
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On 9/12/2021 at 10:49 AM, bschoolprof said:
It's 99% coaching. Mack came in, took Mac II's players and immediately improved the program and the "culture." Since he left, we've hired 1 terrible coach and 2 mediocre ones, resulting in terrible to mediocre football. We're really not much different than OU before Stoops got there or Bama before Saban.
Fans overweight bullshit like culture and strength coaches. It's head coaching. Period.
Agree.
And everybody DOES get up for Texas. So you need a coach who can keep your team focused. And there's only one coach in the country right now who is great at that. Nick Saban. We haven't found anyone yet who is good about it.
But Mack got complacent on his recruiting and had back luck with his QBs in an offense that was too dependent on good QB play. Charlie Strong was the worst coach in program history. Tom Hermann gave us what he had at Houston, some great highs and some what the hell games. Just as John Mackovic gave us what he did before. Every complaint about him at Illinois was repeated at Texas. Just as Mack Brown did (great record at UNC but almost always 2nd to FSU).
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On 9/12/2021 at 9:33 AM, Duane Moore said:
Agree. Everyone wants a quick fix to a loss like this (Sark should have treated this like a rivalry! Casey Thompson should have started!) when the reality is much more systemic and difficult to change with a single stroke. The D-Line’s performance is even more disheartening given the supposed talent we had there, and we don’t seem to have an outside WR that can consistently get open.
And the fact is that these players just have nothing in their experience to get them ready for an environment like last night. Sark could have piped in crowd noise to practice, given them a “Remember the Titans” pre-game speech and castrated a hog, but until they play under those conditions, they’re not ready for them. Day games in Lubbock, Ames, or Waco just aren’t a substitute.
Yes. So many of you are stuck on the Oline. From ESPN boxscore. This is just flat out pitiful. It isn't like we got beat by a great RB. Didn't matter who ran. They racked up the yards. 6 players over 6 yards a carry and none over 12 carries. 4 with TDs. Our Dline got totally dominated.
Y'all are stuck on the problems since 2009. Dline was awful.
Arkansas Rushing
CAR YDS AVG TD LONG Trelon Smith 12 75 6.3 1 22 KJ Jefferson 10 73 7.3 0 34 AJ Green 7 67 9.6 1 30 Raheim Sanders 8 50 6.3 1 26 Dominique Johnson 6 44 7.3 1 19 Malik Hornsby 1 29 29.0 0 29 Josh Oglesby 1 2 2.0 0 2 Team 2 -7 -3.5 0 0 TEAM 47 333 7.1 4 34
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it wasn't until 5 months after CU and NU left that ESPN became the favorite for getting the LHN and UT realized they were getting more than $3 million or so a year.