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  1. 38 minutes ago, BornAndRaised said:

    I wonder if ESPN was trying to sweet a new AAC deal by pushing the other 3-5 schools that way since the SEC Networks would be the real prize?

    That's what Dennis Dodd says, but he loves to troll the Big 12.  I can't see any going to the AAC until the league totally implodes.  If there are 3 to 5 left, they raid the G5.

  2. 9 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

    I mean I knew it was a fantasy when I posted about the best options for the remaining 8 that could work for them if they had good, strong, central leadership from the Big 12 office. But I didn't think they were going to do something this absurd this fast.

    No.  This was a good move.  ESPN already told the Big 12 what it thought of them when it refused to discuss early renewal.  This forces a settlement before anything else moves forward.  So SEC/ESPN/UT/OU have to talk to the remaining 8 about how to make them whole.

    ESPN's lawyers are listening.

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  3. 1 minute ago, Vertigo said:

    I think a move to the PAC or B1G is definitely in the cards for Ok St. Academics aside, these conferences will be forced to make a move and Ok St is the most valuable asset available outside of Notre Dame. I truly think the B1G can and should add them to keep a footprint in the south. 

    I'd say Oklahoma St.'s chance to get in the Big 10 is about the same as BYU's chance, which is about the same as Appalachian St.'s chance.  KU, ISU and TCU are the only ones with even a measurable chance of getting into the Big 10.  I think the Big 10 does nothing for now.  They wait out the ACC GOR.

  4. Brett McMurphy on 790 AM in Houston said the future is out of the remaining 8's hands.  All depends on what ACC, B$G and Pac do.  They just have to wait and see.

    There are things other than pure TV ratings (although that's the biggest).  OSU being 4th behind 3 Pac schools in NCAA titles is a positive.  TCU being in DFW recruiting area and having 2 top 3 finishes and a Rose Bowl win in the last decade is a positive.  Tech's DFW alumni is a positive.  KU being a basketball blue blood is a positive.  KSU not being Baylor is a positive.

     

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  5. 1 hour ago, Huckleberry said:

    Craziest value in that chart is 2.36M for TCU/KSU at 4:00pm ET on Fox. Totally doesn't match the rest of TCU's numbers. They're basically a ratings killer for every game except that one. Did they have a huge game before them and after them that day or something?

    TCU had 3 FS1 and 2 ESPN2 games.  That's why overall they are so low.

  6. 27 minutes ago, Chopper said:

    Found some backstory about the SEC tv contract. I don't recall seeing this posted. Published yesterday. Spoilered.

    If I'm understanding it right, when atm and mizzoo entered the conf in 2011, the rest of the conference took a bit of a hit on their pro rata share from CBS. (?)

    https://www.foxnews.com/sports/sec-negotiating-paved-texas-oklahoma

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    As the SEC finalized its blockbuster deal to take the CBS game of the week and move it to ESPN in December of 2019, one of the final issues tantalizing SEC commissioner Greg Sankey was this: now that ESPN would control all SEC games in the years ahead, what would happen if expansion opportunities arose again?

    Back in 2011, the SEC’s leaders seethed with anger when CBS refused to pay the conference equal pro rata television shares for the additions of Missouri and Texas A&M. Indeed it was this anger more than anything else that would lead the SEC, a decade later, to spurn CBS’s attempts to extend their deal and move all of its games to ESPN.

    Huddling with his lead advisors, Sankey sought a guarantee from ESPN that if the conference expanded in the future, he’d have the ability to pay the new teams the same amount of money, pro rata, that his 14 current teams were already guaranteed. But why would ESPN sign a deal that gave Sankey and the SEC equal money for all expansion candidates, regardless of their quality? The SEC and ESPN needed to define the field of potential expansion candidates in a way that made both sides comfortable with the expanded version of their deal.

    That’s when the SEC’s negotiating team came up with a plan. What if they wrote into the contract that any A-list addition was automatically covered by the existing contract? But that raised another question: how to define an A list team? The crew bandied about the idea of labeling Texas as an A list school, but the concern was that limited the SEC to schools like Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan and USC, bona fide top brands without any question at all.

    Everyone already knew Texas was an A list school.

    They needed a school with a bit more broad appeal, an A-lister that gave them options to dip down closer to the B list if it made sense. Who knew what the future held? The SEC wanted a broad pool of candidates, an expansive list of targets that would eliminate doubt in the event of future expansion.

    That’s when they hit on Oklahoma.

    Who would the SEC and ESPN define as an A list school in their contract? The Sooners. That way, you got the big name schools like Texas, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan and USC, but you could also have a strong argument for other schools a bit below Oklahoma, the UCLAs of the world, even.

    Now as the SEC prepares to add Texas and Oklahoma to the conference, OutKick can report that the conference has a mandate that no other conference does, the biggest and most lucrative television deal in all of college sports is portable. The SEC can guarantee potential expansion candidates that they will enter as full share equals the moment they begin play in future years, a guaranteed opportunity no other conference has at the present moment.

    Why does that matter?

    Because some have advised Sankey to think even broader than just adding Texas and Oklahoma. If the NCAA is collapsing and the major conferences will have all the power, why stop at 16 teams? Heck, why even limit yourself to the existing SEC footprint at all? Why couldn’t, some ask, the South also be defined as Southern California? I’m not saying USC to the SEC is going to happen. I’m just saying, the Trojans would make way more money in the SEC than they will in the Pac-12, even in a new Pac-12 deal.

    The opportunity is there, thanks to the master negotiation stroke back in December of 2019. SEC commissioner Greg Sankey wasn’t just negotiating for the deal in front of him. Like all good negotiators, he was thinking about the next deal too. And now the next deal is here.

    And already paid for.

    So when will Oklahoma and Texas begin play in the SEC? Right now, that’s partially determined by CBS, which controls the SEC’s game of the week until the end of the 2024 football season. But there’s already discussion that a deal might be made. What if ESPN got the SEC’s game of the week starting in 2022 and in exchange for that game coming to ESPN early, ESPN gave CBS the second best SEC game for several years? With Texas and Oklahoma now in the fold, the second best SEC game is a valuable proposition. The same thing could be true with Fox Sports and any claim they have on Texas and Oklahoma games going forward as a part of their Big 12 deal, might Fox want to air SEC games as well? In theory this could be an additional masterstroke for Sankey and the SEC. They’d have three networks promoting their games instead of one in the short term.

    And in the long term?

    Well, look out, the SEC is loaded with cash, and any A list candidate is probably guaranteed more money with the SEC than they can make anywhere else. That’s especially the case because the Pac-12, Big 12, and Big Ten all have TV contracts set to expire soon. And the ACC is locked into an inferior deal for years to come.

    Right now, Texas and Oklahoma are the SEC targets.

    But, buckle up, the A-list targets are all in play for the SEC, and they are loaded up and big game hunting.

     

    From the article:  "...So when will Oklahoma and Texas begin play in the SEC? Right now, that’s partially determined by CBS, which controls the SEC’s game of the week until the end of the 2024 football season. But there’s already discussion that a deal might be made. What if ESPN got the SEC’s game of the week starting in 2022 and in exchange for that game coming to ESPN early, ESPN gave CBS the second best SEC game for several years? With Texas and Oklahoma now in the fold, the second best SEC game is a valuable proposition. The same thing could be true with Fox Sports and any claim they have on Texas and Oklahoma games going forward as a part of their Big 12 deal, might Fox want to air SEC games as well? In theory this could be an additional masterstroke for Sankey and the SEC. They’d have three networks promoting their games instead of one in the short term...."

     

    The CFP expansion will happen in the 2023 season most likely.  So there are a lot of pieces that make 2022 difficult.  Lots of parties to make whole.

  7. 23 minutes ago, Chopper said:

    Found some backstory about the SEC tv contract. I don't recall seeing this posted. Published yesterday. Spoilered.

    If I'm understanding it right, when atm and mizzoo entered the conf in 2011, the rest of the conference took a bit of a hit on their pro rata share from CBS. (?)

    https://www.foxnews.com/sports/sec-negotiating-paved-texas-oklahoma

      Reveal hidden contents

    As the SEC finalized its blockbuster deal to take the CBS game of the week and move it to ESPN in December of 2019, one of the final issues tantalizing SEC commissioner Greg Sankey was this: now that ESPN would control all SEC games in the years ahead, what would happen if expansion opportunities arose again?

    Back in 2011, the SEC’s leaders seethed with anger when CBS refused to pay the conference equal pro rata television shares for the additions of Missouri and Texas A&M. Indeed it was this anger more than anything else that would lead the SEC, a decade later, to spurn CBS’s attempts to extend their deal and move all of its games to ESPN.

    Huddling with his lead advisors, Sankey sought a guarantee from ESPN that if the conference expanded in the future, he’d have the ability to pay the new teams the same amount of money, pro rata, that his 14 current teams were already guaranteed. But why would ESPN sign a deal that gave Sankey and the SEC equal money for all expansion candidates, regardless of their quality? The SEC and ESPN needed to define the field of potential expansion candidates in a way that made both sides comfortable with the expanded version of their deal.

    That’s when the SEC’s negotiating team came up with a plan. What if they wrote into the contract that any A-list addition was automatically covered by the existing contract? But that raised another question: how to define an A list team? The crew bandied about the idea of labeling Texas as an A list school, but the concern was that limited the SEC to schools like Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan and USC, bona fide top brands without any question at all.

    Everyone already knew Texas was an A list school.

    They needed a school with a bit more broad appeal, an A-lister that gave them options to dip down closer to the B list if it made sense. Who knew what the future held? The SEC wanted a broad pool of candidates, an expansive list of targets that would eliminate doubt in the event of future expansion.

    That’s when they hit on Oklahoma.

    Who would the SEC and ESPN define as an A list school in their contract? The Sooners. That way, you got the big name schools like Texas, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan and USC, but you could also have a strong argument for other schools a bit below Oklahoma, the UCLAs of the world, even.

    Now as the SEC prepares to add Texas and Oklahoma to the conference, OutKick can report that the conference has a mandate that no other conference does, the biggest and most lucrative television deal in all of college sports is portable. The SEC can guarantee potential expansion candidates that they will enter as full share equals the moment they begin play in future years, a guaranteed opportunity no other conference has at the present moment.

    Why does that matter?

    Because some have advised Sankey to think even broader than just adding Texas and Oklahoma. If the NCAA is collapsing and the major conferences will have all the power, why stop at 16 teams? Heck, why even limit yourself to the existing SEC footprint at all? Why couldn’t, some ask, the South also be defined as Southern California? I’m not saying USC to the SEC is going to happen. I’m just saying, the Trojans would make way more money in the SEC than they will in the Pac-12, even in a new Pac-12 deal.

    The opportunity is there, thanks to the master negotiation stroke back in December of 2019. SEC commissioner Greg Sankey wasn’t just negotiating for the deal in front of him. Like all good negotiators, he was thinking about the next deal too. And now the next deal is here.

    And already paid for.

    So when will Oklahoma and Texas begin play in the SEC? Right now, that’s partially determined by CBS, which controls the SEC’s game of the week until the end of the 2024 football season. But there’s already discussion that a deal might be made. What if ESPN got the SEC’s game of the week starting in 2022 and in exchange for that game coming to ESPN early, ESPN gave CBS the second best SEC game for several years? With Texas and Oklahoma now in the fold, the second best SEC game is a valuable proposition. The same thing could be true with Fox Sports and any claim they have on Texas and Oklahoma games going forward as a part of their Big 12 deal, might Fox want to air SEC games as well? In theory this could be an additional masterstroke for Sankey and the SEC. They’d have three networks promoting their games instead of one in the short term.

    And in the long term?

    Well, look out, the SEC is loaded with cash, and any A list candidate is probably guaranteed more money with the SEC than they can make anywhere else. That’s especially the case because the Pac-12, Big 12, and Big Ten all have TV contracts set to expire soon. And the ACC is locked into an inferior deal for years to come.

    Right now, Texas and Oklahoma are the SEC targets.

    But, buckle up, the A-list targets are all in play for the SEC, and they are loaded up and big game hunting.

     

    Well it went from $55 million/12 to $55 million/14, but they made a bundle on the SEC Network and got a good increase on their ESPN tier 2 deal.

  8. 45 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

     

    Didn't ESPN and Fox admit that they gave more than the Big 12 was worth to try and keep it together during the last round? I thought I read Texas and OU finding out that this next round of money correcting course was the impetus for bailing. 

     

    Why would the powers that be put a matchup between the remaining 8 on a main channel? I guess if two are ranked in the top 15 they could probably get a time slot, but there's about to be a ton of content in the secsecsec, and the ACC and Big 10 will come next in the pecking order. 

    No they didn't.  That's internet fiction.

    Big 12 makes about the same as the Pac 12 and ACC and has better ratings.  A lot better than the Pac.  And the Pac deal was on the open market about the same time the new Big 12 deals were done.

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  9. 3 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

    We've been discussing it on the left behind thread, but I think the current best option for the remaining 8 is:

    1. Add two schools that are at least equivalent TV draws to the remaining 8 (e.g., BYU, Houston, UCF). This keeps the games inventory quantity the same by staying at 10 teams.
    2. If as it's been widely reported Texas and OU bring half the conference eyeballs then the above could mean that during negotiations the new Big 12-2-2+2-2 can credibly and justifiably argue that the modified terms of their contract that goes through 2025 should be at least 62.5% of the value of the existing contract. That would mean each team would get about $12.5M from TV versus the current $20M.
    3. As that's a loss of only $7.5M per year they are covered for their losses if Texas and OU pay the roughly $160M total buyout amount. That's $20M per remaining 8 school versus the $21.5M they lose on the contract over the last three years of the GOR.
    4. The two new teams don't get a split of that, but they get higher revenues than they do in their current conference or independent TV deal.
    5. So now the remaining 8 are basically cash neutral through the 2024-25 school year. That gives them 4 years to figure out what in the hell they're going to do at that point while feeling out the new landscape and where things are headed.

    This could work, but it would require cooperation and strong central leadership from the Big 12 office. They would need to all understand and openly communicate that this is in their best interests as a group, it is only through 2024-25, and that if they are going to bolt to another P5 conference it will be starting with the 2025-26 school year. I give it a 0.05% chance of happening and working because the Big 12 office sucks ass and that's exactly why they're in this situation.

    If the ACC quickly tells WVU and KU to lose their number and the Big 10 does the same to ISU and KU, then its only those schools with a Pac hope who wouldn't be for this.  I suspect Baylor and KSU already know they have no place else to go.  ISU and WVU will probably quickly figure that out.

  10. 3 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

    I don't know, the TV ratings for those teams when not playing Texas or OU is abysmal. I think you may be severely overestimating their remaining viewership. I think they are going to struggle to get 10 mil per team even if they add two more teams. 

    Big East with Pitt, Syracuse, Rutgers, Louisville, Cincinnati, USF, UConn, WVU and TCU had an ESPN offer for around $15 million a year 10 years ago.  Rates in general for sports have gone up dramatically since then.  Now that doesn't mean rates for mediocre content have gone up.

  11. 9 minutes ago, clapclapclap said:

    Pac 12 at first threw a fit because there were no autobids.  They lost that argument so they are using a different line of attack.  2 times in the BCS era they did not make the top 6 conferences.  But if they had Iowa St. and Kansas St., they would have made it every year.  Big 12 and SEC champs made it all 23 years.

     

  12. 44 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

    Well when you get rid of two shitty people like McRaven and Fenves and replace them with sports focused administrators, things can change quickly.

    Fenves is at Emory University now.  From a writeup in their newsletter what he seems to be most proud of is removing Confederate statues.  Nothing to do with students or attracting faculty or research or fundraising and certainly nothing to do with football.  He moved to a school that has a Tshirt that brags about still being undefeated in football (they have never played).

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  13. 1 hour ago, BachelorTrek said:

    Dad did Add/Drop in Gregory.  Siblings and I did Add/Drop in the Drum--what a nightmare!  People sitting on the floor next to the Add/Drop tables in the concourse, waiting, hoping, for someone to come and drop the class they needed. After all day of futility, then departmentals at each college office all over campus began where the futility began anew. What a Shitshow!

    TEX, which started in 1990, just told you your desired class was full, as expected, and you hoped more attempts meant you somehow avoided more departmentals.  Lulz.

    Belmont must have been used for only a short period of time.  Superdrum opened fall '77 but I never remember add/drop being there.  And you really, really old folks used Gregory.

  14. 1 hour ago, 89Horn said:

    ‘85-‘89 registration at the Erwin Center arena concourse.  Junior year I needed a History class.  The table had no line.  Cool.  I walked up and asked for the class, only for the girl manning the table to point to the door behind her.  I walked in to find Section 33 totally filled with others waiting for a spot in the class to open up.

    So when TCU, Tech, BU, KU, WVU, ISU, OSU and KSU call the SEC and Big 10, they will know how you felt.

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  15. 29 minutes ago, Vito Andolini said:

    Besides wine in recent posts, I did learn about TEX several pages back. Based on that shitty YouTube clip, it was awful. I was on campus a bit earlier than that. To register in my day, you went to the Co-op, bought a big ass white book with small print and then stood in line for hours at the Erwin Center for hours before learning the class you needed was full.

    But for $4 a semester hour, we didn’t bitch much.

    You were there after me.  We stood in line for hours at Belmont before learning the class you needed was full.  Fortunately, I was about a semester ahead in credit hours so I usually didn't have to go there.

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  16. 22 minutes ago, Zhorn96 said:

    if you like port, Prager is across the street from V Sattui.  Allegedly by appointment only but I've rolled in and they dgaf.  Run by 3 brothers it is a different experience from the rest of Napa, dusty, lots of random dollar bills stapled on the walls and fucking amazing dessert wine

    Its been a few years since I went but if you want some other unsolicited recs and they havent burned down, Joseph Phelps in St Helena is reservation based but off the charts good.  AlsoTrefethen (Small family owned), Newton, Hall, Stags’s Leap Winery, Chateau Montelena , Frank Fanuky, Duckhorn

    I like Sequoia Grove.  I used to like Cakebread, but haven't been impressed lately.  May be because it has to travel to Georgia.

  17. # of top 100 in Texas by current SEC members (early years Houston Chronicle, later years Rivals:

    2006 23

    2007 25

    2008 24

    2009 23

    2014 23

    2015 28

    2016 27

    2017 25

    2018 30 (aggy took 16, other years were lower)

    2019 25

    2020 34 (Bama took 7 instead of 1 to 3 in other years and aggy took 14, their 2nd highest total)

     

     

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  18. 10 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

    Are SEC schools taking a significantly larger % of their rosters from Texas HS players today than they were pre-A&M joining? Would be interested in real #s.

    Not from the top 100.  Although they did pretty well in 2020.

  19. 35 minutes ago, JohnLocke said:

    Despite contrary opinions, I think the Auburn fans are willing to sacrifice the Auburn-Georgia game, especially since it will be played every other year.  They are sick of playing a top 3 hardest schedule every year. They would not give up the Iron bowl.   The other option I've seen swaps Tennesse/Vanderbilt for Ole Miss/Miss State as a more traditional game for Bama and Auburn.  Ags will do anything to stay out of a division with Texas -OU, and nobody wants to see LSU get an easy pod anyway so putting A&M with LSU makes sense, and gives the Ags a bone.

    I'm married to a Georgia alum and have an Auburn son.  You should not post about SEC things.

    This is a huge rivalry for both schools and has been played many more times than Auburn-Alabama, which wasn't played for a 40 year stretch (yes most people who remember that are no longer alive-but it was skipped for a long time).

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