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  1. 11 hours ago, TKthunder2 said:

    My 64: Take all the P5 public flagships of every state —33

    Take any blueblood football or basketball school that got left out: Notre Dame, USC, Duke, UCLA —37

    add in elite private schools that other universities want to be associated with: Stanford, Vandy, Northwestern —40

    add in any missing P5’s in the top 40 all time fb wins: Auburn, Clemson, aggy, VA Tech, GA Tech, Pitt, Syracuse, Michigan St, Boston College, TCU —50

    add in any missing P5’s in top 25 all time bball wins: Purdue, Oregon St, NCSU, Louisville, Oklahoma St—55

    add any schools that have won multiple national championships fb or bb in the modern era (1950 or after) Miami, Florida St —57

    now looks at FBS fb playing schools with multiple fb/bb national championships in the modern era from outside the P5: SMU, Cincy, UConn —60

    Finally you look for political coverage which will likely require another Texas school in Tech the largest public school remaining, WSU and ASU have laws that they have to be in the same conference as UW/AZ. —63 jeez

    and then add Boise St because they are popular —64

    This cuts out: Baylor, K State, ISU, Miss St, Wake Forest


     

     

    But wait, here’s another way:
    Take the 65 P5s and cut out any duplicate markets, if California has 4 and Florida has 3 Texas should have 4 and every other state should be capped at 2 until you get to states with less than 4 million in population which should be limited to 1.  This allows everyone to remain except Baylor, Purdue, NCSU, Wake Forest, Mississippi State, Kansas State, and Iowa St which drops the list down to 58, then add the best remaining non P5 following the same rules: Buffalo (#2 NY team, population 20mil/2=10mil), Cincy (#2 Ohio 12mil/2=6mil) UConn (#1 CT team 3.6 mil), UMass (#2 team 3.5 mil), Colorado St (#2 3 mil), Nevada (#1 3 mil), LA Tech or Tulane (#2 2.5 mil), UNM (#1 2.1 mil), Boise St (#1 1.8 mil)

     

    My point simply is look at these two ways you can decide this, by history and success or by markets and you generally find the same group of schools getting cut: Baylor, Kansas St, Iowa St, Wake Forest, Mississippi St and half of this list is the left behind Big 12 schools.

    This is why the outlook for Baylor, K State, and Iowa State aren’t so good.

    Another way is to look at football attendance.  If you take the top 64 in football attendance over the last 4 years, Boston College is #64 at 34,972.  Just missing the cut: South Florida and San Diego St. with over 34k.  Then its a drop to 32k for Boise, Navy and Cincinnati, 31k for Houston and Army.  Non P5s who make it: #30 BYU, #55 UCF, #60 East Carolina and #62 Memphis.  P5s out of luck, #72 Washington St. (30,572), #74 Vanderbilt (29,229), #78 Duke (27,287), #79 Wake Forest (27,183) and #80 Kansas (26,442).

    Baylor is #46 at 44,130; Kansas St. #35 at 50,444; Iowa St. #31 at 56,573 and Miss. St. #26 at 57,664.  Some of the teams in small markets have really good fan support.  Whereas Big 10 schools are in the #56-#59 spots-Illinois, Northwestern, Rutgers and Maryland, all below 40k.  Big 10 has 7 of the top 21 in attendance, but the other 7 are from #43 to #59.

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  2. What's a CR thread without a worthless Greg Swaim tweet?  (for those too new, it was a Greg Swaim tweet that started the Shaggy Bevo CR thread).
     
     
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    This merger talk has been going on for almost two weeks, but a merger between the #Pac12 and remaining #Big12 allows both conferences to stay together, play their traditional rivals, add no additional travel (if two division winners play for the automatic Playoff qualifier spot.
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    This moving fast, as I'm getting calls, texts and e-mails now saying #Pac12 wants to add #OKState, #TexasTech, #KState and #ISU to go to 16 teams and those four in division with #SunDevils, #BearDown, #Utes and #Buffs.
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  3. 5 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

    Best case scenario would be KU going to big 10, Mizzou going with them, and the full press on to convince ND that the landscape is changing fast and if they want to keep up and have a chance to compete taking that vacated SEC spot is the way to do it. 

    No Yankees in the SEC.  KSU or KU would be ok, not ND.

  4. 1 hour ago, KYHorn said:

    Iowa on there twice, so you're short one

    And as the former ESPN President said, basketball bluebloods are important-KU, UK, UNC, Duke and Indiana are in, although Duke could be arguable as bad as they are and as little fan support as they have.  Kentucky actually is usually top 25 in attendance and has more recent SEC titles than the Mississippi schools.

  5. 19 hours ago, 'stache said:

    Heard a rumor that is supposedly credible that some Big 10 officials were in Stillwater this weekend. I have no doubt we are shooting our shot with them despite having almost no chance, but you gotta try. The best part if something like that were to happen is that it was David Boren's dream for OU to make the Big 10 for both academic and athletic prestige. Again, I know its like .00000001%, but a boy can dream.

    Maybe they are looking at your wrestling team.

  6. 40 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

    What happened in that game is exactly what underdogs face in the SEC. The SEC doesn't have favorite teams like lots of them complain about, they have a consistent pattern of making terrible calls in favor of the higher ranked team, I'm sure purely by coincidence.

    This is true.  My concern with the SEC is that they don't protect the players.  Late hits out of bounds are ok.  And they allow some late hits on QBs, let alone RBs.

    In fairness to the Big 12, nobody is as bad as the Pac refs.  Their calls are so bad you can't even link it to corruption.  You can't figure out why they call what they do!

  7. 55 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

    The only team Mackovic had that was good was 1995. The Nebraska game makes people forget all the horrible underachieving that team did in 1996.

    And this despite having tons of future NFL players at every position on offense. In fact Mackovic's teams were probably more talented than Mack's last 4. He left the cupboard full for Mack...at least on offense.

    That team that beat Nebraska had 2 future NFL rushing leaders as its 2nd and 3rd running backs (Ricky and Priest).  Shon Mitchell (#1) might have been great if he hadn't gotten hurt.

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  8. 29 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:


    Better than nothing. How Mack Brown only won 2 is crazy. And we were two seconds away from choking away another.

    From 2000-2009 UT had the best record in college football.  Mack only won 2 conference titles and he should have won 3 MNCs and played for a 4th (but gotten stomped by Miami), but for his failure to put Major in, his using Colt on QB sneaks and Mike Leach in 2008 making sure UT didn't get in with his poll vote, his fold vs. OU and the game in Lubbock.

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  9. 12 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

    Literally any school in the SWC would have been better than Baylor.

    The Waco market is a non factor, Houston or DFW would have been better.  Baylor’s academics were far behind SMU and Rice.  And competitively they fucking sucked too.

    Seriously, the lege forcing Baylor on the Big 12 was asinine.  Why force a small market private school only 90 miles away from UT/aggy versus getting another public like UH, or a private school in a major metro?  Nepotism at its finest.

    At the time (1994), Baylor's program was heads above the other 4 in competitiveness and fan support.  They just quickly sunk into the gutter in more ways than one.  And they are much bigger than SMU, TCU and Rice.

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  10. 43 minutes ago, mdmost said:

    Would make me chuckle if the SEC said "sorry Clemson and FSU but you see we have these gentlemen's agreements not to take other schools from the same state as existing SEC members". 

    My other thought, this is going to make doing pods a lot harder with 18 members. 

    Well with 18, you have 8 division games so it makes it a lot harder to keep non-pod rivalries.

  11. 1 hour ago, Pig Bellmont said:

    I’m guessing it’s a wait and see thing. KU or any school worth anything is looking to bolt ASAP and the conference may crumble without the need to pay any buy outs. 

    No insight.  But I'm guessing both sides do nothing for a few weeks to see if the other reaches out first, all the while paying lawyers to work on things.

    Then somebody on the UT or OU board of regents talks to friends on other boards and eventually the two sides lawyers start talking.

  12. 50 minutes ago, Randolph Duke said:

    My two favorite "fake aggy" letters are 1) the 2013 Auburn one where the fan got lost seven times between where he parked his car and the stadium and 2) the 2020 Florida one where the "fan" was glad Florida lost because A&M "deserved the win" more than Florida.

    That whole series of fake letters is a simply fascinating peek into the aggy mindset.

    Sounds like Figurelli's work.

  13. 1 hour ago, ABSR said:

    The Big 12 WAS one of the autonomous 5 conferences.  Once the move is done it will become, or shortly become, autonomous 4 or Power 4.

    A conference with Oklahoma State or Tech (or pick any other Irate 8 school) as the lead dog is how that conference will be defined, and all of the candidates to join the Big 12 don't elevate it's profile, or more importantly it's financial position, ...or they would have been added before this.

    And with the incredibly poor leadership shown by Bowlsby and the Big 12, why would anyone want to leave their conference to join them which would generally be a lateral move to what likely may be a dying conference.  Additionally, there is no remaining Irate 8 school that every believes would not jump at the chance to move to one of the remaining P4 conferences.  So why do a lateral move to a conference with poor leadership filled with schools that are hoping and praying to find a new/better landing spot.

    Having said this I agree with most posters that I hope all the teams (excluding Baylor) find a good place to land.

     

    Nobody is going to remove the "A" label from the Big 12.  The college presidents simply will not do that.  The media is already removing the "P" label.

    The Big 12 will retain a status above the other conferences as long as the NCAA doesn't get pushed to the side (not that it won't happen).  They just aren't going to be in a hurry to dump on the remaining 8, just as they weren't with the Big East until they completely eviscerated it.

  14. 2 hours ago, Orange&White said:

    From 73 to 81, the drinking  age in Texas was 18. From 81 to 86 it was 19. It was raised back to 21 in 1986.

    And with my full time in college being with an 18 year old drinking age, its hard to imagine it any other way.

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  15. 30 minutes ago, Nueces River Rat said:

    Speaking of Lone Star and maybe you or someone can answer this for me….  A couple of years ago, we went to a bar in Austin ( forgot the name right now) and it was probably filled with folks from their 20s to the 40s, maybe older….  Anyhow they had huge beer selection, leaning heavily on Crafts and brands  from Texas , but also your  typical domestic (piss waters)  and well known international beers from Mexico, etc.    But the majority of the folks walking around with a bottle  had a Lone Star.  I’m like what the heck with all the brands available on tap, can, or bottle are they drinking Lone Star.  I mean that was our cheap go to instead of The Beast ( Milwaukee’s Best) or it was easily accessible because many of parents kept some in stock back in the day.  If you want to show your Texas, Shiner Bock is much better choice, IMO.    

    My son says a lot drink PBR here in the Deep South-the cheap go to.  Maybe Lone Star is still the cheap go to even for 20 somethings in Texas.

  16. 3 hours ago, clapclapclap said:

    Tceh+TCU+Baylor is probably a political move.  If no P4 bites, then they can tell the politicians, "Hey, we tried."  Doesn't stop them from later shopping around or accepting lone offers.

    Likely a non-starter for the Pac (unless Fox/USC is/are really pushing this for some reason) and B1G, but in theory has a shot at working with the ACC.  Last week the previous ESPN president, John Skipper, said that while basketball is only about 20% of a school's value, in the ACC it's more like 35%.  So Baylor's title and recent bball history might save them.  I wouldn't predict it, but possible.  But in that scenario does the ACC really need TCU?

    OTOH, Skipper also said the ACC is concerned about saving spot 16 for ND.  Which makes no sense to me, why is 16 a magical number that no conference might go beyond?  Obviously if the B1G raids the best of the Pac, they aren't taking just 2 (non-football travel too painful if you don't have enough schools for a west coast division/pod/commune).  I have a hard time believing any conference would ever turn down ND.  And I'm skeptical that we'll ever end up with a tidy 4x16.

    The reason for saving 16 for ND is so that you don't have to go beyond 16.  With 16 you can offer ND a 7 game conference schedule, giving them some scheduling flexibility.  With 18, you have to play 8 to finish division play (yes there's all this division-less stuff out there, but it is not allowed now and no guarantee it will be).  Plus with 18 it gets harder and harder to pretend you are one conference and not two conferences joined by a TV contract.

  17. 4 hours ago, HookEm said:

    TCU does NOT bring the metroplex. Tech needs to distance themselves from every school except Oklahoma State.  And possibly Kansas.

    I went to LinkedIn and pulled alumni by school for DFW and Houston metro areas.  Tech has just about as many alumni in DFW as UT and also has a decent presence in Houston.  That is beyond their strong position in the 2M population in the Panhandle and South Plains.

    They need to be marketing to the PAC-10 that they give them:

    1. A foothold in Texas for recruiting
    2. Eyeballs in DFW and Houston
    3. Central time-zone game times
    4. Competitive teams in most sports
    5. Improving academics
    6. A very willing and motivated partner in Oklahoma State

    Dallas + Ft Worth

    • 142,027 – North Texas
    • 110,037 – UT Arlington
    • 76,036 – UT Dallas 
    • 63,992 – Texas A&M
    • 47,212 – UT Austin
    • 47,039 – Texas Tech
    • 42,684 – SMU
    • 31,061 – TCU
    • 22,230 – Baylor
    • 17,797 – OU
    • 16,703 – Texas State
    • 15,297 – OSU
    • 11,319 – Arkansas
    • 9,896 – Houston
    • 8,091 – LSU
    • 5,719 – UTSA

    Houston

    • 158,631 – Houston
    • 84,608 – Texas A&M
    • 52,535 – UT Austin
    • 30,912 – Texas Tech
    • 22,065 – Texas State
    • 14,807 – LSU
    • 12,337 – Baylor
    • 9,986 – UTSA
    • 9,016 – North Texas
    • 8,650 – UT-Arlington
    • 6,405 – OU
    • 5,372 – OSU
    • 4,280 – SMU
    • 3,794 – UT Dallas

    Houston would be vastly better than Baylor for a variety of reasons. The PAC-12 could do MUCH worse than a 4-some of Tech, Okie State, Houston and Kansas.  

    In 30 years in Houston I ran across 2 Texas Tech grads.  Ran into far more LSU, Baylor and even Texas St. people.  And UT-Dallas 3rd in DFW?  Until recently it was a very small school.  These numbers look suspicious.  As for aggy in DFW, A&M was a smaller school than UT until the last 10 years when they decided to supersize to keep Rick Perry happy.  They were much smaller prior to the 1990s.

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  18. 19 minutes ago, Horn of Gabriel said:

    Let’s get the usual troupes out of the way:

    - Austin isn’t big enough
    - not enough corporate sponsors
    - Cowboys will block it
    - Longhorns will block it
    - city council will block it
    - no good Stadium location

    Austin's nearly twice as big as Buffalo, let alone Jacksonville.  But UT isn't going to allow them to use the stadium.  I don't see Austin building a stadium.

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