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  1. 2 minutes ago, Horn80 said:

    Yep in 70s, stadium was open and stop by after classes to check out different seating views for game day.  Much simpler times then.

    I ran on the track a lot.  There were almost always pickup football games going on.

    The only thing controversial was the girl who would run topless on the track.  Never happened to be there when she was.

  2. 17 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

    I can confirm this story. That road trip was awesome even though we lost. We had like 8 guys in 1 2 double bed shit hole motel room.  Mackovic needed to go when he did but he did cause some damage when he was here and he could develop offensive talent. 

    I remember some Texas fan after the game in the quarter saying, "Man, they need to learn to act like they've won a bowl game before."

    But it was still standing in Jackson Square at midnight NYE with 10,000 of your closest friends who you had never met before.

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  3. 27 minutes ago, Steelers Roll Left said:

    I remember doing the same thing during freshman orientation in ‘94. I remember being surprised that you could practically walk right up to the coach’s office, or walk onto the field at DKR from the south end zone on non-game days.  Guessing that kind of access has long since evaporated (the field access definitely went bye bye long ago).  

    Stadium was open 24 hours a day when I was in school in the 70s.  For that matter, so was the state Capitol.  I remember going and running around the Capitol around midnight during freshman orientation.

    Now, even a lot of the local high school stadiums are locked up.

     

  4. 2 hours ago, Somnio said:

    Just wanna barge in to say the Big XII is a shitty ass conference, and Texas should've gotten the fuck out a decade ago.  Pac, Big, SEC, Independent, Prestige Worldwide, whatever.

    Read Hurtlocker's articles before you mention the Putrid Athletic Conference.  They even have worse officials than the Big 12.

  5. 2 hours ago, Michael Knight said:

    this rushing defense feels familiar

    Its nice that Diaz is doing it to Miami instead of to us.  He hasn't learned anything since he left Texas.  And Mack remembers Manny's defenses very well.

    All time record for 2 RBs, 544 yards.  Carter 24 for 308, Williams 23 for 236.  Overall 55 for 554 yards rushing.

  6. On 12/9/2020 at 9:38 AM, Steelers Roll Left said:

    Just throwing thoughts I've had on the subject off and on over the years:

    (1) Coaching: Definitely a candidate.  Dating back to Mack Brown, player development hasn't followed excellent recruiting and it's shown in the results.  

    (2) The Conference: Let's face it, the Big XII is not on par with The SEC, Big Ten, and at times not even the ACC.  This is proven on the field as our conference champion (usually Oklahoma) never emerges as the National Champion which consistently comes from these other (3) conferences and often in convincing fashion vs our conference champion.  

    (3) The Quality of Texas high school talent: Urban Meyer himself commented on this one earlier this year, dismissing the notion based on his Ohio State recruiting and having success with Texas talent.  Urban pointed to a lack of player development at programs like Texas.  Maybe he's right.  But it is suspect when the vast majority of Big XII programs recruits Texas talent and end up with similar results.  The gap in Big XII talent and the SEC is noticeably massive in annual NFL draft results by conference especially along the offensive and defensive lines in the early round.  If pressed for an answer, I'd speculate the truth on the Texas high school talent debate is somewhere between Urban Meyer's assessment and the counterpoint.  Spread football has taken over the Texas high school game and has to this day proved inferior without the injection of physicality you more commonly see in the southeast and midwest.  

    (4) The Country Club: This phrase was coined during the Mack years and is a way of contrasting the Texas player college football experience with say that of Bear Bryant's Junction Boys. If you've already reached the mountain top in your own mind and are enjoying the fruits and accolades of the summit, are you really motivated to develop and be the best you can be.  Hoe much does winning really matter to your average Texas 4-star/5-star athlete vs the passed over 3-stars that end up in programs with less tradition and prestige?  Seems like moving on from Mack Brown should have solved this problem, but the problem seemingly still pervades despite stories of Pat Moorer's "Pit" and Herman's "Practice for your breakfast" early on in the Strong and Herman tenures.  One way of solving this problem is leadership in each position group-- in other words, when the coaches aren't around, leaders on the team keep it together for them.  

    (5) The Grass is no longer "Greener": Texas does have a major advantage in resources, but in an environment where coaches can still earn multi-million salaries at programs of lower prestige and more importantly, lower expectations, is there really an incentive to take a job like Texas over a mid-tier power 5 or even non-Power 5 conference job?

    I could probably drone on, but I'll stop there for now.  

    Can't disagree with 1) and 4).  There's a point to 3)  Texas doesn't produce a lot of great linemen.  But produces plenty of QBs and receivers.  Alabama and Georgia and other SEC schools are just fine recruiting Texas HS QBs. Maybe we need to cast a wider net in recruiting linemen.  As for 5), anybody who is really great would LOVE to come to Texas.  Its on anybody's top 5 jobs.  I think it was DKR who said he didn't want players who chose Texas because they thought they could get playing time.  He wanted players who expected to earn the right to play.  Great coaches will want to come to Texas.

    2) however, is total bs.  Big 12 is 2nd in the computer ratings most years.  And it has beaten the SEC in a couple of years.   It is almost always better than the Big 2, little 12, especially since Michigan has been part of the little 12.  That Clemson is better than OU simply means that Clemson is better than OU, not that the other 13 are any good.

  7. On 12/10/2020 at 10:04 AM, MonkeyDoughnut said:

    I disagree on having enough talent. Sure we had lots of talent and great recruiting rankings, but we didn't have the right balance of talent. We left gaping holes in areas and stockpiled too many in others. We had no balance to our talent/recruiting. He had/have coaches on staff that are not good or don't like recruiting. We should have ZERO of those coaches on staff. Recruiting is way too important.  In the Big12 (and now every other conference) running these spread offenses, if you have any weakness it will get exploited quickly.

    Strong left the cupboard bare.  Herman came in with a team that was not as talented as OU or TCU and not clearly ahead of most of the rest.  Far and away worst team talent compared to our competitors as long as I remember--and that goes back to the 60s.  Strong made McWilliams look good.

  8. On 12/9/2020 at 1:07 PM, VABuckeye said:

    I'd add more than Urban to Ohio State.  Of all the big name programs Ohio State seems to have hit more home runs with head coaches and had less misses than many of the other big name programs.  Their last six full-time head coaches are all in or will be in the College Football Hall of Fame.  Of course, Day isn't in that category.

    John Cooper and Earl Bruce?  College Football Hall of Fame has pretty low standards.

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  9. On 12/10/2020 at 1:13 PM, hornmpa96 said:

    I don't disagree with this on Herman. However, if we had executed a search, then some of his flaws may have become apparent, another candidate may have emerged (similar to Mack vs Barnett), etc. 

    Herman looks just like he did at Houston.  Brown was just like he was at North Carolina.  Mackovic was just like he was at Illinois.  A search wouldn't have made any difference.  We knew their weaknesses coming in.

    There just aren't that many Sabans and Sweeneys out there.  And with all the money, its hard for some of that coaching talent to develop.  Schools won't take chances or won't give coaches enough time.  People were looking for DKR's head in 1967 after 3 straight 6-4 seasons, just before the greatest era in UT's football history.

  10. On 12/9/2020 at 12:00 AM, Spider2YBanana said:

    Yes, we're probably the most underperforming program in the country. With all of our resources, BMD's, and athletes in the state, we're being laughed at for good reason. 

    We aren't the "most" underperforming.  And from 2000-2009 we had the best winning % and were the highest ranked school in the ending polls.

    Mack only had 1 title, but it should have been 3 except for Colt's injury and the stupid polls in 2008.

    Now since then and from mid 80s to 1997 we underperformed, but we still haven't underperformed like UCLA and Texas A&M have, to name a couple.

    We had some bad coaching hires.

  11. On 12/8/2020 at 2:37 PM, Nueces River Rat said:

    Fred Akers loved Texas.   Under his leadership, we were always in the conversation and were not laughed at or ignored  like we are today..  The thing that got hung around his neck is we couldn't win the bowl games which is the opposite of Tom Herman who totally screws up a couple of winnable regular season games and then we look like a totally different team in the bowls.

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    On 12/8/2020 at 10:02 PM, PTINS said:

    RIP, Fred.

    A good man, and a good man to represent UT.  Allways carried himself well.

    Many fond memories.

    1977, Fred’s first year and my senior year, and Earl’s. 1st win over OU in 7 years; Texas lost 2 quarterbacks in the first half. The sea of people on the Drag that night.

    When asked about playing OU, “... they better have their headgear strapped on tight.”

    Heartbreak at the Cotton Bowl after drinking too much Orange Kool-Aid.

    “Air Fred” w/ Rick McIvor.

     

    Remember the impromptu parades on the drag for 3 or 4 weeks until the city shut it down?  Weren't rated too high at the start but kept moving up.  That was a fun season.  Year after 5-5-1.

  12. Mossy Cade DB, Ed Williams LB, Fred Acorn DB, Craig Curry DB, Eric Holle DE, Jitter Fields, DB, Jeff Leiding LB, John Haines DT, Roy Woodward DT, Mark Lang LB--10 defensive players taken in 1984.  Also Rick McIvor QB, Doug Dawson OG, David Jones C, Adam Scheiber OG, Bobby Micho TE, Kirk McJunkin OT and Mike Ruether C--7 offensive players in 84.

    Jerry Gray DB, Tony Degrate DT, June James LB--3 more defensive players taken in 85.  Plus Terry Orr RB from offense.

    Ty Allert LB and Chris Dulliban LB taken in 86-2 more.  Plus Gene Chilton C, John Stuart OT, John Teltschik P, Bryan Chester OG from offense.

    Steven Braggs DB and Eric Jeffries DB were taken in 87. Also Evert Gay WR, William Harris TE, Jeff Ward, Laron Brown WR.

    17 players from that defense (10 in first 5 rounds) along with 14 offensive players and 2 kickers.

  13. 8 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

    The fans care, aren't they supposed to? The last three years of Akers tenure were also dismal, years with results fairly typical for the John Mackovic or David McWilliams eras. Sometimes it is just time for a coach to move on. Was there any signs he was going to turn it around? None. Zero. His program was in serious trouble.

    I don't get this. In Texas Baseball nobody gives me shit for wanting coaches to take our team to the College World Series. Nothing toxic or morally depraved about that. But if you dare insist that we should find somebody who can get us to a conference championship in football well suddenly you are this terrible person. 

    A bunch of people on this site root for Texas to lose.  That's why the quotes on "fans."  And spreading the fire the coach rumors kills recruiting, setting us back for years.  They were talking about it on Fox (or was it ESPN) during the games this weekend.  Even Earl called out DKR for not shutting down his friends who were telling recruits not to come to Texas in order to undermine Fred.  Darrell, though his friends, did far more to undermine this program in those first few years after he left than anything Mack could have ever done.  And Mack did a good job of bringing DKR back on our team instead of against it.  I was never a fan of putting Darrell's name on the stadium because of what he did during Fred's tenure simply because Darrell didn't get to choose his successor and Fred didn't grovel enough to him (Fred mistakenly listed to Allan Shivers who told him to ignore DKR who was a figurehead AD).  I'm old enough to remember Darrell's great years.  But I also remember the not so great years after he first retired.

    Fred had a really tough job with the cheating and "fans" against him and did pretty well in spite of it.

  14. 9 hours ago, orangecat92 said:

    I was at last  game for Fred.  Aggies beat us 16-3 I think.  I remember how great a job Fred did for big games early in season.  If he could have somehow took just a tiny bit of that magic and put it in postseason, he could have had a chance at 3 big ones.  That 1981 team was an incredible 10-1-1, and with just a tiny bit of offensive imagination could have been 11-1..finished 2 in nation.  It is so strange to us now, but he really did put all of the best athletes on D.  Both Auburn games were incredible games, and playing Penn State in New jersey and whipping them really did some great things for us pr wise.  

    Seriously do not think we lost a game in Sept. under Fred until maybe 85. 

    Fun fact....in 1983, best defense ever imo, our D was out scoring our offense in game against TCU, through 3 quarters.  

    I believe it was 2 interceptions returned for TDs. 

    Jerry gray, 1985 best interception ever in college, imo.  Bomb thrown by Auburn...jerry flies like he’s floating on his back in pool, sticks one hand in air, catches ball and gently falls to grass turf.  

    And of course the 84 game against auburn in Austin....guys remember bo was the fastest man in football, and how far did jerry have to run to get him? I want to guess 30  plus yards.  Took tremendous determination to get him.  

    RIP Fred.

     

    I think we had 17! players from that 83 defense get drafted (not all the same year).

     

  15. 17 hours ago, troph said:

    He never was as bad as folks made him out to be.  Almost 2 NCs and a heisman. RIP coach. 

    And he knew how to use Earl when even the great DKR didn't.  Switched from the bone to the I and took an unlikely team to #1 all the way until the Cotton Bowl.

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  16. 16 hours ago, horn4life said:

    I don't know if it was ever better to hate Arkansas, than when Fred was at the helm, but Arkansas was good then.

    .  He was the coach for the undergraduate years when I arrived in '79.

    Unfortunately Fred ran into the unfortunate situation of playing two semi-pro teams in A&M and SMU, when cheating was an art form.  Good guy, who lived most of his tenure as head coach in a situation not unlike Herman is in today, except alumni were half against him from day one.  All I know is I got to see some great games as a young buck when I arrived on the 40 Acres.  We were in the mix most every year and '79 was a great freshman year undefeated home season.  First trip to OU and it was #3 vs #4 Texas and we pull it out 16-7, frigging awesome. Thanks Fred and God's speed!

    RIP Fred.

    And yes, "fans" were undermining the program for his whole tenure just as "fans" have been trying to undermine Hermann the last two years.  These so called "fans" need to look at what followed Fred-David McWilliams and John Mackovic, a mostly dismal 11 years for Texas football.

     

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  17. 10 hours ago, ImissWallyPryor said:

    If only Fred had given him that pep talk before the Georgia game. 

    If only they had called the most flagrant holding of the decade on Georgia's TD play...

    Of course, then Nebraska probably wouldn't have been sleep walking through the first half against Miami and we would still not have been #1.

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  18. 5 hours ago, Woodrow Call said:

    Not long ago I had a conversation with an ex-USC OL lineman, Drew Richmond. He played at Tennessee before becoming a grad transfer at USC.  I asked him what it was like playing against Alabama. He said there are two big things. One, they don't make a lot of mistakes, and that they're very well coached. And two, he says the #3 guy coming in is as good as the #1 guy. 

    Alabama is just almost always focused.  I was sitting in the end zone right near the tunnel when Georgia was playing them in Athens a few years back.  UGA was jumping up and down and all excited.  Alabama was just business.  They came in through that tunnel and you could see how focused they were.  Every one of them.

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  19. 13 hours ago, WBT said:

    Lulz, UCLA running back tried to stop short to burn clock and the ASU defenders tried to strip him then dragged him into the end zone.

    And then the ASU players threw up the TD sign!

    One of the weirder moments of a weird season.  Think that even beats ULL up 7 running back 30 yards early in the 4th and giving Appalachian St. a safety and then running back 40 yards on a 4th and 2 with 2 minutes left and giving them another safety while up 5 because they were afraid to do a long snap.

  20. 16 hours ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

    Following this logic, it’s cool if parents build the family a beautiful house, gift it to you, and burn it down on their way to their retirement home? 

    Charlie Strong burned it down.  Mack merely neglected it and allowed some wood rot.

    Top 10 winningest major college coaches:

    1. Joe Paterno 409

    2. Bobbie Bowden 377

    3. Bear Bryant 323

    4. Pop Warner 319

    5. Amos Alonzo Stagg 314

    6. Frank Beamer 280

    7. Lavell Edwards 257

    8. Tom Osborne 255

    9. Mack Brown 251

    10.Lou Holtz 249

    Nick Saban is right behind at 243.  Brian Kelly has 242, but most of his were in Division II at Grand Valley St.

    Mack did some things right.

     

  21. 16 hours ago, Message Board User said:

    We should be well into the Nick Saban era at UT, watching our beloved Longhorns annually in the CFP and cherry-picking any 5 star we want.

    But old Butterteeth is a lazy, craven, manipulative, self-absorbed dipshit who made sure that didn't happen.  

    Piss on anyone who thinks the school should do any kind of honor or recognition for that beeyotch.

    Let it go.  You are starting to sound like an aggy with their obsessions about someone screwing them.

  22. 9 hours ago, slorch said:

    Fuck Arkansas. Fuck Baylor.  I loved the Pony Express and SMU, but Craig James turned out to be a complete bitch, eh?

    I enjoyed the Big XII of the 2000's.

    Glad not to have anything to do with A&M any more.  I liked playing Colorado and Nebraska. WGAF about Mizzou?

    Nobody in the SEC cares about them.  They've won 2 division titles and they are still an afterthought.

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