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  1. 32 minutes ago, Jabberwocky said:

     

    I'm guessing the P4, ND and the MAC and CUSA are part of the majority who favor dropping to 5/7.  MAC and CUSA will not benefit very often and so will be disadvantaged vs. AAC and MWC.  MAC has always kind of gone along with the Big 10.  MWC, AAC and 2Pac are opposed.  Not sure where the Sun Belt would fall.  But Aresco is taking a logical position of asking the P4 to do a deal.

    I think Hancock is nuts if he thinks you can change the rules in the middle of the 2024 season.  But he won't be around.

     

  2. For those like the guy in the video who missed it, this was decided November last year for 2024 and 2025:

    https://theathletic.com/3904973/2022/11/16/cfp-expansion-revenue-rose-bowl/

    • "...The Board was able to resolve issues tied to revenue distribution for the 2024 and 2025 seasons, if the CFP is to expand from four to 12 teams before the end of its current contract.
    • The source said that the revenue distribution model agreed upon by the Board will make payouts more even per Power 5 school.

    What else to know

    As it stands now, each Power 5 league earns roughly the same payout each year, regardless of how many teams it sends to the CFP or how far they advance. That has created some friction, especially for schools in leagues that are expanding.

    For example, Alabama, a team that has participated in the CFP almost every year of its existence, would be making less per year than Washington State, which has never come close to participating — all because a 16-team SEC will be dividing its revenue by more members than a 10- or 12-team Pac-12 will.

    The compromise agreed upon Wednesday reduces disparity and allows the focus to be on per-school payouts instead of per-league payouts that then get sliced different ways based on varying membership size. Payouts to the Group of 5 leagues remain unchanged...."

  3. 2 minutes ago, SimkinsMan said:

    It sounds like Clemson has an over-inflated sense of its self worth. I can see what North Carolina brings to the SEC. I see zero value in adding Clemson. 

    North Carolina is a commodity in football like the 4 corners.  Not bad, but not P2 material except as filler.

    Clemson is one of the regulars at the top of the polls and is top 10 in TV ratings over the last 10 years.  They fill an 80,000 seat stadium.

    People don't seem to understand how strong a program Clemson has been since long before Dabo.  They are really the equivalent of an Auburn or Tennessee.

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  4. 16 hours ago, statsman said:

    The flex is- there aren’t going to be any Big XII games on ABC in Texas. There will be SEC games involving UT, OU or TAMU. There won’t be many Big XII games on ESPN; most will be on ESPN2, etc. Texas could have Big XII games on Fox, unless there is something bigger like a Big 10 game involving blue bloods. (Think Fox will put a Big XII game on Fox when Texas plays Michigan?😄). 
     
    Maybe they will have Texas-Auburn on ESPN instead of ABC, so they can have the UH-TT game on ABC. Does that seem likely to you?

    Wrong.  They have a contract and will be on ABC and Fox.  This sort of thing is spelled out in these contracts.

    This is just a fantasy in your head.

    Now there will be more ESPN+ games and fewer FS1.

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  5. On 9/26/2023 at 12:08 PM, Laxtonto said:

    But they have a multiple-year window to fix membership. So if I'm the Pac12 I do everything I can to make sure they get a cut as long as I could. This falls right back into the potential issue of say the PAc12 reorgs membership with the MWC and then essentially keeps the CFP payout for OSU and WSU and then gives the old MWC teams a bump to be involved. So now you are stuck with a super weak autobid conference that would have to be ceded appropriately due to their autobid status thus making a major flaw in the strength of schedule in the playoff matrix..

    So if  they stick around they want to be treated as a P5 on paper and payout and yet would most likely be talent equivalent to a G5 at large

    But they do not get autobids without 6 basketball and 5 members for other sports.  So they are effectively dormant.  

  6. On 9/26/2023 at 11:48 AM, gatormarc said:

    I know for other sports, the NCAA can set a minimum number of members in order to get an conference autobid to the postseason tournament but it shouldn't be able to dissolve a conference.

    And Sankey said, the CFP is NOT the NCAA.  They will not treat a 2Pac/MWC merger as a "contract conference."  In any event, they have agreed to split the money by the number of P5 members.  So all a 2Pac gets is 2/70ths of the contract conference money.  Big 10 gets 18 shares, SEC and Big 12 get 16 and ACC gets 17 while ND gets 1.

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  7. On 9/22/2023 at 10:34 PM, TKthunder2 said:

    Read that part again. We’re getting paid.

    That’s the vast majority of the money. The primary revenue pool is “other” money and ESPN is offsetting that likely as a payout for the LHN.

    No.  The majority of the money IS from the media contract, not basketball/bow/CFP.  I wasn't precise.  We aren't getting paid for the media contracts in 2024-5.  But it hasn't been disclosed how much ESPN is paying us in "transition fees."

    If ESPN doesn't want the ACC to break, they could have set it up that way so technically Texas and OU did not get to sell their media rights in the last year of the GOR, but ESPN is compensating us.

    On the other hand, it has to look like a great deal to FSU if they can get it and get into the SEC.

     

  8. 7 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

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    The way that is written makes it sound like we got out for free.  We don't get money the year we aren't there and we take the same cut everyone else does to bring in the new members.

    Its interesting that neither conference is paying us in the last year of the GOR.  But ESPN is giving us some money directly and keeping the Big 12 whole.

     

  9. 14 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

    LOL Week 3 PAC12 viewership 

    1. CSU at Colorado 9.3 million 
    2. SDSU at Oregon St 418K
    3. Fresno St at Arizona St 195k
    4. ????

    This Colorado thing is bonkers.

    Prime Time does know how to promote himself.  That was the highest rated after dark game ever.

    I still don't know how good a coach he will be, but he is a GREAT salesman.

  10. 8 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

    I argued for years that the Big12 ought to do something similar with the AAC.

    As we see this week, the Big12 has tons of inventory that absolutely nobody cares about.  Oklahoma State @ Iowa State?  Texas Tech @ West Virginia?  Who the fuck cares?  Those are shitty games between programs that have limited followings.

    But that Iowa State-Baylor game in November if the loser is getting relegated to the AAC?  Are you watching that?  Fuck yeah, you are.

    Kind of like Maryland and Purdue Big 10 games on NBC?  I think they can't wait until the Big 10 expands to 18.

    https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/

    Prime time Syracuse-Purdue drew 1.25 million on NBC, 12th for the day, behind Michigan's buy a win on BTN, Minnesota-UNC on ESPN, LSU-MSU on ESPN and 8 other games, including some buy a wins.

    Previous week Charlotte-Maryland on NBC prime time drew 665k, #17 for the week, behind Okie St.-Arizona St. on FS1, Illinois-Kansas and Ole-Miss Tulane on ESPN2 as well as 13 other games, most less than stellar matchups.

  11. 16 hours ago, Valmy77 said:

    They didn't know at the time the PAC 12 was about to collapse. They could have taken that whole league but now they are stuck with Houston, UCF, and Cincinnati forever. 

    Let's see.  Last 20 years Pac 12 champs:

    USC 7

    Oregon 6

    Stanford 3

    Washington 2

    Utah 2

    Other 7 zero

    They got Utah.  They weren't getting any of the rest.

    Last 20 years SWC champs:

    aggy 6

    Texas 5

    Houston 4

    Arkansas 2

    Baylor, SMU, Texas Tech 1 each

    Rice, TCU 0

    And BYU has an MNC.  Cincinnati made the CFP.

     

  12. 3 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

    Uh, holy shit.

    By virtue of attending and voting in the meeting OSU and WSU would be in danger of courts finding that they believed at the time that the meeting was valid. You can't say "oh hey this isn't an official meeting" when your official representatives attend, minutes are taken, and you participate in votes during the meeting.

    You probably need to reconsider who isn't showing themselves to be smart.

    Yeah, what this guy said.

    You specifically say what the meeting is before attending.  A meeting to sort things out and negotiate.

    You must be a lawyer.  Lawyers just make things complicated and expensive.

    Suing before talking is just giving a big middle finger to everyone.

    And how smart is it that everything is frozen now?  They can't get anything done on their home for next year.  Nobody is going to cooperate.  Many recruits in all their sports are going to go somewhere else.  Its just more bad decisions as Sgt. Schultz has been making all along.

    Now its possible there were efforts to try to resolve things, but the fact that the conference was trying to get the meeting to figure out what they could do to keep all their staff from quitting indicates that none of the Pac 12 presidents are talking.  They are as dysfunctional as ever in their dying days.

    It will be interesting to see if the 10 get involved in this at all or if they do their own lawsuits once this trial starts.  If they do nothing, then it indicates WSU/OSU delayed everything for no reason.

  13. On 9/11/2023 at 9:00 PM, Huckleberry said:

    Oh bullshit. They should have gone into a meeting where they'd be outvoted 10-2 on everything by 10 people who don't even have the right to vote? GTFO with that BS.

    And then you sue on any particular thing you don't like while attending the meeting under the understanding that you don't think its an official meeting.

    Getting the lawyers involved STOPS negotiations.

    But then WSU/OSU have not shown themselves to be smart.

  14. 5 hours ago, Butch Had Not said:

    In light of recent events I have to update my greatest UT Football top 5

     

    1. Rose bowl. Vince.  National championship 

    2. 1996 Big 12 championship vs Nebraska.  Totally unexpected against the Alabama of the 90s. 

    3. 1990 Houston. If you were alive at that time, you get it. 

    4. 2023 Alabama. Receny bias probably bumps it up some but I can never shake the memories of the games above it. It will be fun to see if it holds up. 

    5. 2005 Ohio State. Unlike Bama,  I knew we should win in Columbus against a stacked Ohio state. Bama was a COULD win. 

    Honorable mention: Tony Jones catch against Arkansas. Probably my earliest Texas football memory. I don't recall if I saw live or in highlights.

    1995 vs aggy. Was in Austin at the time.  That evening after the game I was out on 6th with a cheerleader whom I was friends with that was also one of Ricky's girls.  Then i got to witness the awkward encounter when she saw Ricky and was trying to talk to him while everyone wanting a piece. 

    Good choices.

    1. Rose Bowl

    2.  1969 Big Shootout.  Guess you are too young to remember that

    3.  1996 Big 12 CCG

    4.  1990 Houston

    5.  1998 Ricky breaking the record vs. aggy

    Lots of other good memories mentioned.  That Tony Jones late TD vs. Arkansas early 80s, Stoney Clark's stop of OU, this year's Alabama game, Bevo going after UGA at the Sugar Bowl, 1977 OU, 1976 OU where Russell Erxleban carried the team with long punts and long FGs (6-6 tie), and don't forget 1995 Brackens hit on Tech punter after fake kick-ranks up with 90 UH and 98 A&M for loudest game.

     

  15. 3 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

    One of the Pac-12 agenda items for this Wednesday:  a proposal to pay the departing schools "transition fees" to help them move to their new conferences:

     

     

     

     

     

    All of you remember who Canzano the clown's sources were?  Washington St. and Oregon St.  So take anything that comes out of there with a grain of salt.

    Besides, lawyers are paid to lie.  So you have professional liars representing proven liars/delusional idiots.

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  16. 2 hours ago, Zeus said:

    One thing I will embrace about the SEC

    Its unquestionably the hardest hitting and toughest style of football in existence. NFL doesn’t allow this level of hitting anymore. This is NFL talent with less restrictions. 

    the officials called holding when it was obvious and it mattered

    they even called an illegal man downfield

    They error on the side of caution mostly and letting guys play instead of getting involved in the game too much. Not a ton of dumb reviews either. 

    Fuck Alabama and LSU we’re going to take over the West SEC

     

     

    The hitting is good.  The cheap shots they let them get away with (and Bama has become one of the worst) is not good for the players.  Nick Chubb had a really nasty knee injury in Knoxville about 10 years ago when a Tennessee player hit him about 5 yards out of bounds.  Not a flag at all.  That is the worst part of SEC officiating.

  17. 4 hours ago, CfRhTxStBobcats said:

    Not that it'll ever happen, but I'd have a hard fucking time pulling for aggy over the gooners if we need aggy to lose so we can get to the sec championship game. There has to be at least that exception to the no pulling for ousux rule. 

    I know it's a very unlikely scenario aggy will ever sniff the championship game but crazier shit has happened.

    I'd pass your admiration of my avatar on to the esposa. On 2nd thought I better not. I'd probably get kicked in the nuts for using the pic. 

    I've got to admit.  There were a lot of us in the Texas-exes center really enjoying that 77-0 beating OU gave aggy back about 15 years ago.

    Probably wouldn't have cared who lost if it was a close game, but we were rooting for 100!

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  18. 6 hours ago, Vertuzzi said:

    I think it will be worse for Texas moving into the new conference than for OU regarding how fans/players are treated on the road. The SEC schools think of their conference as a brotherhood. We think of it as a bigger check for us; therefore, we’ll stick out as the school that doesn’t want to fully integrate. We have no intentions of being “brothers” with any of those animals. We walked out of that stadium Saturday evening with our middle fingers extended and we will continue to do so even as we officially become members of the conference. 

    They don't think of Mizzou, Pig or aggy as brothers, no matter how much aggy yells SEC-SEC-SEC.   OU and us will also be outsiders for a long time.

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