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  1. 9 hours ago, SurlyGator said:

    Meh.  There are mouth breathing knuckle dragging fans like that of every school.  Kudos to the players for their thick skin and continuing to rub it in!

    Yeah.  The UT players seemed amused at the loser.  Great response.

    The biggest busing riots ever were in Boston, Massachusetts.  Idiots everywhere.  Don't think we should be bigoted ourselves about people who aren't like us.

  2. 10 hours ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

    Yes, there a racists everywhere, but I'm comfortable with us always remaining apart from the rest of the close-minded SEC mindset.

     

    Yes, there a racists everywhere, but I'm comfortable with us always remaining apart from the rest of the close-minded SEC mindset.

    I'll admit that I've always been a homer deep down for whatever conference Texas was in.  But I'm going to be rooting for every other non-SEC team to beat every SEC team from here on in.

     

    That just means you consider them rivals.  Its only the losers like aggy that get consolation when their SEC "rivals" beat someone else.

  3. 1 hour ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

    Not sure what makes you think that, because things are trending toward OSU/WSU being in charge of everything.

    Unless the Pac-12 lawyers pull some overlooked by-law or legal rabbit out of their hat, the arguments used to get the temporary restraining order are probably going to win the day.   

    The by-laws are short and clear, and the Pac-12 just followed those by-laws and kicked CU off the board a month ago.  

    At this point, with what we know, I'd expect OSU and WSU to be ruled to be the only valid members of the board.  If/when that happens, they get to make the rules and they get to decide what happens to all the Pac-12 assets.   

     

     

     

    The By-laws are not clear at all.  They are very vague and poorly written.  Its pretty clear that one section confuses actually leaving with giving notice of leaving.

    Its not clear at all who does and doesn't have voting rights now.  I sure wouldn't put money on any possible outcome if it went to court.

  4. 6 hours ago, TheAuditor said:

    Things I learned at Alabama Friday and Saturday Night:

    1) Traveling as a group of 6 mostly chill, fairly thick skinned dudes keeps the peace and the drive by BS to a minimum.  

    2) Attractive women are plentiful in Tuscaloosa on game weekend. 

    3) Walking through Fraternity houses is a fun exercise - however,  see #1 above.  

    4) If an attractive women does horns down to you,  if you immediately laugh and do it back to them they are shocked,  you become the coolest guy ever,  and you get to hear their life story whether you want to or not. 

    5) Lots of Auburn fans hiding in the weeds all weekend.   They all came out of hiding post game. 

    6) AL must have a high electricity bill,  because the scoreboard was turned off while we were still in our seats.

    7) Post game got very sketchy, very quickly on the streets outside the bars.    90min post game was no place to be walking around in orange. 

    Lots of my son's Auburn friends went to Tuscaloosa.  And he said there were LOTS of fights after the game.  Generally, Bama fan vs. Bama fan.

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  5. 8 hours ago, Doc Daneeka said:

    There’s an argument that it shouldn’t matter who does X, but the world is full of examples where it does. I mean, hell, receivers get far more leeway on what they can get away with than defenders do, even though they shouldn’t. A lot of the stuff that happens in the end zone on Hail Marys would be PI on any other play. If they’re not going to call it, ever, cool, but I was still expecting it to be called on Saturday. 

    I didn't see the Bama players doing it.

  6. 6 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

     

    Ah shit, I don't hate Saban. I admire him. He's an amazing football coach who keeps trying to get better and adapting. And from all accounts, a terrific human being.

    Like Sark said, Sark isn't here today without Saban.

     

     

    Nope. I've generated half of the content, too.

    He seems like a bit of an asshole to me.  I've never seen anything that makes me think he is a terrific human being.  Now he is the greatest living college football coach and maybe the best ever.

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  7. https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/future-of-pac-12-network-a-sticking-point-as-oregon-state-washington-state-seek-to-salvage-conference/

    For those Beaver & new Window Cougar fans and MWC fans who think somehow a new conference with the same name will somehow take the Pac 12's place because of NCAA grace period rules, Sankey has spoken:

    "...Even if they do retain the conference name, such a shift in program prominence will most likely lead to a reduction in the number of autonomy conference and automatic qualifiers (six) into the expanded 12-team bracket.

    "It hasn't dissolved yet; we have to see what happens. … Respectfully, the Pac-12 still exists. There has to be clarity," SEC commissioner Greg Sankey said Saturday.

     

    NCAA bylaws state a conference must be composed of at least eight teams. However, there is a two-year grace period for a league to maintain that number. On paper, are the Cougars and Beavers a viable two-team conference?

    "The CFP is not the NCAA," Sankey said. "I think we all understand that.""

     

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  8. 3 hours ago, 89Horn said:

    I say embrace the shit out of the horns down.  Find a wall near DKR and plaster pictures of fans of every other school doing horns down so we can laugh at them.  Particularly after a win last night.  Put them up like skins won.


    It’s like I once told an insufferable aggy friend of mine once, you hate us more than you love yourselves.  He gave me a confused look for a second, then he understood it.

    That's what's so weird about OU doing it.  They actually have accomplishments.  As for aggy, well they won it all in 1939.

  9. 4 hours ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

    I hate it because it's just so cliched and unoriginal as you said. I'm going to take your sign... and turn it upside down. Boom. It's the equivalent of I'm rubber you're glue. It's thinking you're clever for saying "t.u."

    It's also just fucking weird that fanbases we don't play regularly do it. OU does it, I think it's dumb, but I understand it. When I see Alabama do it... what? Do we know you?

    When I was in school OU did it some, but it was mainly aggy.  I don't remember it from anybody else.   I don't know who started it, but its a very aggy thing to do.

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  10. 1 hour ago, msucolt45 said:

    It’s been quite a while since I’ve been so excited about the Horns post-game, that I couldn’t sleep!
    I was like a child on Christmas Eve. I stopped day-drinking around 4:00, so I could “pay attention” to the game and didn’t even drink post-game, as I was already on Cloud 9!
     
    So I checked out Surly and other online feeds, to include texags, as I haven’t done in so long! It didn’t phase me when the clock went from 1-2-3AM and I still couldn’t go to sleep!
     
    I’ll probably fall asleep in my chair during tonight’s Cowboys game.
     
    Hook’em!!!

    No.   Afterwards, I was watching the Cal-Auburn game with my son (who goes to Auburn).  That put me to sleep!

    I don't imagine too many of you were watching, but it was like watching Iowa play itself.

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  11. 1 hour ago, Huckleberry said:

    Who cares if they're meant to be punitive? The effect is incredibly punitive to those left behind. You can't use the "business decision" defense for leaving and screwing OSU and WSU, for example, and then complain when they make their own business decision. Postseason appearances are valuable to an athletic program. 

    WSU and OSU feeding off the rest while barely being P level was punitive.  They all sought their best interest and made more money than if they stayed with the Beavers and new window Cougars.

    Almost nobody has been as vindictive as the CAA.  I thought they were being total assholes.  They were assholes when JMU voted with the majority to do it to others and they were assholes when they voted to do it to JMU.

    If Oregon St. and Washington St. tried to exclude everyone else from the ccg, the P4, ESPN and Fox would make their continued existence in FBS very, very difficult.

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  12. "Soon after Implosion Friday across the Pac-12, Washington State president Kirk Schulz identified the most immediate task: Determining which schools had voting rights and control of the conference’s assets.

    “We think there will be some clarity around governance issues in the next two weeks,” he told the Hotline.

    One month later, clarity has not emerged.

    Stanford and Cal have fled to the ACC. Only Washington State and Oregon State remain, and they still don’t have the answers needed to take the next step, whether it’s reforming the Pac-12 or joining the Mountain West.

    “I’m frustrated that we haven’t gotten the information as quickly as we had hoped,” OSU athletic director Scott Barnes told Oregonlive.com last weekend. “It is trickling in. We need to get that buttoned down.”

    The Hotline sought answers from the conference office.

    Why is it taking so long to determine the assets, liabilities and governing control?

    The Pac-12 declined to comment.

    What is the process and who’s involved?

    The Pac-12 declined to comment.

    When might full clarity emerge?

    The Pac-12 declined to comment.

    The same radio silence that defined the Pac-12’s messaging strategy throughout the media rights negotiations is at work in this endeavor. Which is fine — the conference isn’t obligated to share information with the media.

    But it’s required to assist Washington State, Oregon State and the outgoing schools by any means necessary. And once again, headquarters has failed to execute at the necessary level.

    “Any well-run business should, within 48 hours, have the most up-to-date profit-and-loss statement, balance sheet and liabilities and assets,” an industry source said.

    “At the latest, they should have had this at the end of August, knowing the odds were pretty good Stanford and Cal were leaving.”

    Are the finances so messy, the bylaws so vague, that the experts are struggling to understand the critical details?

    “The conference has been so poorly managed for so long on so many levels,’’ a source said...."

     

    Fitting with the incompetence we have seen in the Pac 12.  https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2023/09/07/pac-12-legal-delay-wsu-and-osu-hoped-to-proceed-quickly-but-conference-office-slow-to-move/

  13. 3 hours ago, Jabberwocky said:

     

    Hopefully they drop the number.  Just be the PAC.  We've already got the Big 10 who had 12 for a long time and now is moving to 18, the Big 12 who had 10 for a long time and now is moving to 16 and the Atlantic 10 who keeps changing schools but hasn't had 10 in a long time.

  14. 10 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

    And I think that is all consistent with my assessment.

    Clemson = Washington or Oregon.  And Washington and Oregon, as we know, were not at all sure things to join the B1G.  So I think people are wildly overstating the likelihood of Clemson and UNC being able to bolt the ACC in ten years to join the SEC or B1G.  It could happen, but it's not a certainty.

    I think Washington and Oregon were always sure things.  The only question was timing.  This contract or the next.

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  15. 3 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

    But things change over the course of 20 years.

    Shit--ten years ago, the Big XII wouldn't touch BYU.  But look at where BYU is today.

    Yes, but . . . the payout from March Madness is pretty trivial compared to television revenue.  

    As I said, to be an expansion candidate for either the SEC or the B1G, UNC would have to show that it will bring in more revenue to the conference than it would take out through conference distribution.  For the SEC, the television distribution alone was $50M/school.

    In the basketball tournament, participants get a "unit."  Each unit was worth about $350K last year (it goes up 3% every year).  The champion gets five units--$1.75M.

    So yeah--UNC's performance in March Madness is not going to turn it into a net contributor to the SEC or B1G when it doesn't draw any attention for football.

    I think UNC is overrated in realignment.  Their basketball is top 5 (UK, KU, Duke, UCLA, UNC)  They are in the largest state without at least an SEC or Big 10 school in a metro (Rutgers is NYC metro).  Those are big pluses.  But in football, which is 80% of the value, they don't add anything.  They are an even number addition.  You add someone else and get the even number with UNC.  You don't add just for UNC if you are the Big 10 or SEC.

    I think Clemson is underrated.  They fill an 80k seat stadium.  They have 3 MNCs.  They are clearly one of the top 15-20 football programs of the last 50-60 years.  They have even more value in the CFP era than they did before.  They will be a relatively regular participant.

    Notre Dame and FSU are sure things.  But Clemson is every bit as valuable as Washington and Oregon.

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  16. Beavers still in limbo:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/oregon-state-ad-scott-barnes-says-he-s-frustrated-with-speed-of-clarity-over-pac-12-assets/ar-AA1gf9SS

    Pac 12 can't even tell them what assets they have.

    “"...When you look at potential assets that we hold, whether it’s autonomy and Power 5 status, the Pac-12 Network or whatever the balance sheet looks like in the end, that helps drive decisions,” Barnes said.

    In the meantime, “we’re scenario planning. We’re not just waiting. But ultimately, to inform a final decision, it’s important we know about the Pac-12 assets,” he said.

    Asked if Oct. 1 is a reasonable deadline for a decision on Pac-12 assets, Barnes said “yeah, that’s not unreasonable.”

    What is delaying a decision?

    “You’ll have to ask the Pac-12 that,” Barnes said. “I keep asking. It’s been a slow process, a frustrating process.”

    What are the options? One is a straight merger with Mountain West. Another is a reverse merger where the Mountain West lands under the Pac-12 umbrella. A third is Oregon State and Washington State going the route of a “Pac-2″ for two years. NCAA by-laws allow a conference two years to rebuild to at least eight schools.

    <<<my note:  NCAA rules require at least 6 members to keep the basketball autobid>>>

    By waiting two years, the cost to acquire Pac-12 expansion schools falls dramatically. The Mountain West’s media rights contract ends after the 2025-26 year. American Athletic (AAC) schools must give 27 months notice before leaving.

    Barnes said Oregon State could find a way to fill a 12-game football schedule for two years if necessary.

    “Not easy, but if we had to fill a schedule, it would take comprehensive moves, but we could,” Barnes said. “We’ve vetted it with experts and we know there’s a potential path.”

    Barnes added that this isn’t necessarily the preferred path, just an option.

    Barnes confirmed that talks with the AAC have ceased. He said it was a mutual decision, largely because of extensive travel. But Barnes also said that “we’ll continue to pound on doors” regarding possible alliances, including Power 5 conferences."

     

  17. 15 hours ago, camel at sea said:

    Aranda is in danger of having the wheels come off of that program.  The good news for them is that if that happens, there will be good coaches lining up for the job.  The biggest issue seems to be getting their NIL up to speed, but they'll get there.  SMU probably just motivated some more of the folks there with deep pockets.  

    Tech looked like a team that got a big lead, started looking ahead, and couldn't turn it back on again once the game turned into a fight.  

    TCU-Colorado was a weird game.  Neither team had film on each other, or a good read on their respective personnel.  Colorado's OL pass blocked well but couldn't run block.  In a few weeks, with film on what they do, defenses might figure them out a little bit.  It might have been a pretty bad thing for the Frogs to play them in week 1.  TCU's defense looks like it sucks.  They're going to have to outscore people all year.  Most of the offenses in the Big 12 looked bad in week 1, so they might be able to do that.

    A lot of the B12 (Irate8) looks like it has taken a step back.  Maybe those COVID super seniors propped up the depth of the league and it's returning to the mean a little bit.  Texas, KState, and OU appear to be the only Big 12 teams that might be good on both sides of the ball.  Destroying a Sun Belt team in Week 1 isn't something OU has been capable of doing in the last few years.  SMU will tell us a lot about how much OU has improved on defense (if at all.)  The Ponies have one of the most talented G5 rosters (offense especially) in the country. 

    TCU lost a load of starters.  It was a very junior-senior laden team last year.

  18. 19 hours ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

    Congrats, the Big 12 was better in football than the ACC last year. How does that look for the last 10 years? How does that look for the last 10 years without Texas and Oklahoma? 

    I don't know why you guys keep hanging your hat on the mid to lower teams in the conferences. Okay, Wake Forest would probably lose to ASU....who gives a shit. Moving forward the ACC and the Big 12 are similar except for Clemson and FSU, and that's what's going to separate them.

    And again, I've asked, but nobody has answered. What happens to recruiting when you aren't playing Texas and Oklahoma yearly? How is any Big 12 team going to maintain a yearly top 15 ranking? 

    It looks the same way the last 10 years.

    As for recruiting, who knows.  But then has TCU had a top 15 recruiting rating, ever?  There are only about 20 schools who have the capability to run a string of top 15 ratings.

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