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More stupid Wilner shit. Kliavcoff said USC and UCLA had relinquished their board position. That is not an opinion on whether they needed to. It is factual. They quit coming. Later he said the members need to decide how to interpret the bylaws. Again, he wasn't taking an opinion. He was staying neutral. Wilner is reading stuff he wants to in it, just like he has been for the last couple years.

Armchair after the fact perfect knowledge QBs. Sure if you knew you would be stopped at the 28 you run more clock, but you don't plan on that.

Clock management was fine. Give them the ball with 1:17 left and no timeouts is a win. And if they had gotten the first down, they would have wanted the time to try to drive it closer. As it was, it was a long, not very certain FG. You didn't want to force yourself to try a 45 yarder if you could have gotten closer.

Finally somebody's talking to somebody else. Should have happened 2 months ago. But the WSU/OSU lawsuit froze everything.

I agree with you. Just doesn't seem worth the long term risk.

Charlie Strong. He was the worst coach in Texas history and he left the cupboard mostly bare. Absolutely zero depth. We weren't any better in talent than half the Big 12. Before the last 6 years, UT and OU were dead even in the post DKR era.

https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-25-oklahoma-georgia-miami-9b1d078d2d3ee3436b9a8c7269112d59 Basketball isn't that important in realignment, but sometimes the stars align: "...The traditional basketball powerhouses continue to shine on the gridiron in 2022. The top six schools by appearances in the AP men’s college basketball poll are Kentucky, North Carolina, Duke, Kansas, UCLA and Louisville. For the first time in the 87-year history of the AP football poll, all of those schools are ranked at the same time: North Carolina is No. 12, Louisville is 14th, Duke is No. 17, UCLA is 18th, Kansas is No. 23 and Kentucky No. 24...."

Anybody who still takes a Canzano as fact is a dumbass. I don't know if this is the one, but he quotes the Utah president when the Utah president specifically says there was no counteroffer. They just wanted to go to market. One of the many big lies from dumbasses in realignment that keeps getting repeated. Yes, they talked about $50 million, but the Utah president who was supposedly the source said there wasn't a formal counter-offer, the UW president who was on the executive board said he never heard of a counter-offer and the ESPN president said the Pac 12 NEVER made a counter-offer to their final offer. This seems to be a narrative from Kliavcoff's office to try to deflect blame from the hapless Pac 12 executive office. Not that the Pac 12 presidents weren't pretty bad too. But its Kliavcoff's clan trying to preserve their reputation for their next job.

We got a little outcoached, especially the prep at the start. But the difference was that they wanted it more today.

They looked at it. I think he was an inch short, but it was really close.

Really. We are +2 since DKR arrived. And we've won 4 out of 12, including 49-0 during the worst period we've had since the 1930s. And them winning 5 of the last 6 is the difference since DKR left. Before that we were even over 42 years.

And they simply tried harder. Look at how their RBs and Receivers carried our guys for an extra 2-4 yards and our RBs and Receivers went down. Look at how much better their receivers blocked our dbs vs. ours whiffing. Look at them getting 6 sacks and us only getting 1.

He holds it too long.

Brooks needs to learn when to bull forward and when to dance. He almost always dances.

He did run into his leg while it was up. That was a fair call.

Ultimately they just wanted it more. We will get them in December. You could see it the way their receivers were blocking our dbs and MItchell, Worthy and Sanders were whiffing when trying to block their dbs. And their rbs and receivers were carrying our tacklers while ours were mostly going down.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38556301/stories-air-raid-offense-revolutionized-football Really good (long) story on the Air Raid offense and its origination under Hal Mumme and Mike Leach. "Long before the world knew Mike Leach or Dana Holgorsen or any of the other oddballs, eccentrics and revolutionaries of the Air Raid fraternity, Hal Mumme was a high school coach in Copperas Cove, Texas, with a problem.... He stopped by the football offices to congratulate Mumme on his new job he'd just landed at a small college, Iowa Wesleyan. By the time he left, Mumme had once again recruited him to play quarterback for a team that was similar to Sanders' Colorado experiment: IWU was coming off an 0-10 season and had just two players returning. "We tried to have a team meeting after I got introduced at the press conference and they told me there were going to be 40 guys," Mumme said. "I walk in, there's two, and the three that I brought with me. I just gave 'em the same speech I was going to give 'em anyway about working hard in the offseason, and we're going to win games. One kid just got up and walked out. I guess he decided, 'This is bulls---, I'm not doing this.' So we had four." Leach was one of only two applicants for Mumme's offensive coordinator job, and they quickly realized they were kindred spirits. It was a leap of faith: The high school coach took a $20,000 pay cut to try to prove himself in college again. The lawyer who could've made $200,000 a year instead was making $12,000, and the golfer took on student-loan debt to go to school in Iowa -- where none of them had ever been. They went 7-4 the next year, then, by 1991, started tinkering and added the up-tempo element where they never huddled and ran plays at a frenetic pace. Opposing teams had never seen anything like it and had no idea how to stop it. In Dewald's accidental career, he threw for 12,045 yards, 115 TDs and set 25 NAIA records...."

"...Conference schedules will include 12 protected matchups that will continue to be played annually and feature a combination of historic and geographic rivalries, as well as trophy games. These matchups were finalized in conjunction with all 18 member institutions to ensure the traditions of the Big Ten Conference remain strong as the conference evolves. The guaranteed annual protected matchups are Illinois-Northwestern, Illinois-Purdue, Indiana-Purdue, Iowa-Minnesota, Iowa-Nebraska, Iowa-Wisconsin, Maryland-Rutgers, Michigan-Michigan State, Michigan-Ohio State, Minnesota-Wisconsin, Oregon-Washington and UCLA-USC...." Only 12 protected matchups. Iowa gets 3, Illinois, Purdue, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan get 2, all the rest but Penn St. get 1. PSU gets zero. So for PSU, its 11 schools 3 times and 6 2 times over 5 years. For Ohio St. and the schools with 1, its 8 3 times and 8 2 times and 1 5 times. For Michigan and the schools with 2, its 5 3 times and 10 2 times and 2 5 times. For Iowa its 2 3 times and 12 2 times and 3 5 times. I think its a mistake not to have at least two every year rivals for everyone. It would be like Michigan's schedule, still with 5 3 times and the rest twice in 5 years. You could add something like UCLA-UW, USC-Oregon, Ohio St.-Penn St., Penn St.-Maryland, Michigan St.-Indiana, Nebraska-Minnesota and throw in Northwestern-Rutgers. Iowa and Minnesota get 3.

Some of the Clemson insider fan sites are saying they've been told something will happen in October, but I think it was the AD at Clemson said they had no offers so not to expect anything soon.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/09/27/pac-12-collapse-washington-president-says-500-million-counteroffer-to-espn-would-have-been-stupid-doubts-it-ever-happened/' UW saying the $50 million story not correct. Later in the story, Wilner says Klavicoff told them they should get $35-$43 million. "...Instead, Cauce said the $50 million figure was discussed last year as a target for the total revenue distributions to the campuses — meaning it would have included payouts from the College Football Playoff, the NCAA Tournament and the media rights deal. “In some models, it was possible for some schools to get $50 million,” Cauce told the Hotline in an interview earlier this month. “But at no time did anyone think we could all get $50 million in media rights. That would have been stupid.” Cauce explained that after the announced departures of USC and UCLA (in June 2022), commissioner George Kliavkoff told the 10 remaining presidents that 30 percent of the conference’s media valuation “just walked out the door.” “There was no scenario in which everybody thought the schools could bring in $50 million,” Cauce added. “The estimates from George were in the $30 millions to low $40 millions. Potentially, some (schools) could make $50 million with the (playoff) and media rights...."”

Most recent ACC title Clemson 2022 Pitt 2021 FSU 2014 Virginia Tech 2010 Georgia Tech 2009 Wake Forest 2006 Maryland 2001 Virginia 1995 Duke 1989 North Carolina 1980 NCSU 1979 Among newer members, Miami and BC have been in ACC title game but don't have a title. UL and Syracuse have not won. North Carolina has had Mack Brown twice. Whatever you think of him, he does have scoreboard. He is 7th all time among major college coaches in wins, behind Paterno, Bowden, Bryant, Pop Warner, Saban and Amos Alonzo Stagg.

Well according to the Sic-em analysis (2013-2021), they were #10, right behind FSU.

They'd be going away to the SEC next year if they had been smart enough to join the Big 12.

I read that as: Clemson REALLY wants out. Clemson is trying to get out. But the SEC and Big 10 don't want to get involved until they decide to bite the bullet to get out of the ACC. Nobody is going to extend them an offer for 2036, so its all just winks and nods at this point. No outright assurances. Lots of legwork to do to work out the deal to get out. I just think there is enough smoke they will get out. UT and OU's relatively small exit cost has to be encouraging. The 3 year exit fee is absurd and is not a factor. But they have to deal with the GOR AND get ESPN happy with them moving.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38515019/oregon-state-washington-state-pac-12-hearing-set-nov-14 No Pac 12 court date until November 14th. WSU/OSU running out of time.