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  1. 7 hours ago, LTbear said:

    Sure, are those on Amazon? But hey, still, sorry your team hasn't won any more Big XII titles than Baylor, hope you'll be ok. 

    Murder, rape.  14 wins in your first 14 years in the Big 12.  Yes, we are delighted we are not Baylor.

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  2. 15 hours ago, LTbear said:

    One such era in my lifetime. And I'm not meaning to diminish the Brown years, but only two conference titles? However I'll happily admit that 2005 UT was one of the better teams I've seen in my entire lifetime, and that title game was probably the best of my lifetime (hard to beat not only because of the game itself, but because of the season-long buildup when it was so clear who the top two teams were).

    Just like Big Game Bob usually flopped in the big games on a national stage, Mack Brown always found a Robert in his conference, ACC or Big 12, who was a better coach than him.

  3. 15 hours ago, LTbear said:

    Ya but that's kinda the issue, isn't it? Outside of the Royal years Texas is generally massively underperforming relative to its resources. No way Oklahoma should be so dramatically more successful than UT over the course of history. (Texas of course doesn't underperform as badly as Aggy, which absolutely takes the cake in that regard).

    Don't be stupid.  You sound like aggy now.

    You ignored early Fred Akers, Mack Brown, Dana Bible and several others.

    And even DKR had three 6-4 seasons in a row.  Everybody is up and down.  Look at Alabama prior to Saban, worse than the late Mack/Strong/Hermann years at UT.

    Look at Notre Dame in the 24 years between Holtz and Brian Kelly.  Look at the era Michigan just recovered from.  Look at USC.

     

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  4. 1 hour ago, oSuJeff97 said:

    LOL you were the one who brought up relegation. Do you understand how it works?

    National titles from nearly 20 years ago are pretty irrelevant if we are picking the programs that are CURRENTLY the best performing programs. Hell Colorado and Georgia Tech have won national titles. Should they get invited to the SEC?

    All three of those programs I named have out-performed Texas on the field over the past decade-plus.

    I'm not trying to be a dick about it, but it's just a plain fact.

    Again - relegation/promotion isn't about the size of your fan base or accomplishments from 20 or 30 or 40 years ago - it's about how you are performing on the field NOW.

    Yeah.  You are being a dick about it.  Oklahoma St. has a better conference record than Texas since the TCU/WVU additions.  The 120 years of college football before the last 12 years do matter.

  5. 1 hour ago, CustersDoctor said:

    I live in Lubbock and am extremely Pro-Tech. In my view the Surly consensus is very supportive of the B12/16. Lots of parity, good match ups. Ya'll generally think things couldn't have worked out better for the remaining Eight. You generally think very little of UH and consider them the BIG12 bottom feeder, which of course is true. Your opinion of BY was extremely high, but diminished somewhat with his recent comments about the Tech UT game.

    BTW Holgorsen just said to UT & A&M "Screw them"

    That's ok for coaches.  They are supposed to be partisans.

  6. 2 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

    Avowed junkie here. I’ll watch every Big 12 and SEC game I can lay my eyes on. 

    Many Big Ten games are a beating. Every Iowa game for instance. 

    That's not fair.  Iowa did get into the 20s in 5 games last year and even scored 33 vs. Northwestern.  It was only 6 games they scored 14 or less!  They were only #123 in points per game.  They scored more than UMass or NMSU!

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  7. 5 hours ago, Magus Ossis said:

    I think one question (to which we obviously can't have an answer until at least 2024) is to what degree the audience that has interest in Texas and OU has a secondary viewing interest in teams that are in a league with them. Does, e.g., a tOSU fan have more interest in watching Northwestern than he would Georgia Tech? The numbers for the B12 contract are based on, among other factors, viewership to date of the remnants. They do not account for the potential decline in secondary interest after the departures. This is one reason why some say that the next contract will be the one that establishes how the 12 can do longer term without Texas and OU.

    Its a fair question, but they are still Texas schools playing.  And KSU/TCU and Baylor/OSU ccgs annihilated the ACC and Pac 12 ccgs the last two years, last year equaling the other two combined and in 2021 beating them combined.  In 2021 the AAC Cincinnati/Houston ccg even beat the ACC ccg.  Last year they weren't even far behind the SEC and Big 10 audiences.

  8. 14 hours ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

    Do you also believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy? 

    For about the 100th time, I'm so fucking done with this thread. I should know better than to venture into the football board. But I really should know better than to come onto the realignment thread. But whatever, congrats to all the Sand Aggies and other left behinds, you win. You now have me convinced and the transfer portal is going to be a net push for the Big 12 and not an advantage to the SEC. The Big 12 will get multiple teams into the playoff. And the Big 12 is just as well or better off now that Texas and OU have gone. Adios motherfuckers. You guys have definitely been watching a different sport than I have the last 35 years.

    Did some sand aggie piss in your beer?

    Nobody knows how the transfer portal will work out.  But big programs are losing a lot of quality depth.  And bringing in some good players.  Ohio St. did lose Joe Burrow--to LSU.  We could have used some of the QBs were have lost over the years.  Georgia has lost a bunch of players-including one of our starting WRs.  Of course they also lost a really talented backup TE to Nebraska who just got arrested for robbing a vape store.  UGA picked up JT Daniel from USC.  Lost him to WVU who lost him to Rice.  We will now be playing JT for the 3rd time-once with USC, once with WVU and now with Rice.

  9. 1 hour ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

     

    The ACC only has 14 Football schools;  15 is with ND in non-football sports.   I assume if any one of those 15 leave it would allow ESPN to renegotiate.

    The problem with Brett McMurphy's point is that he doesn't explain how the ACC could drop below 15 schools.   They all signed the GOR that goes through 2036.   FSU wants to leave really bad. If they had a way to do that, they would be doing it. 

    Unless Georgia Tech or Wake just decides to bail out of all sports, I'm not seeing the ACC going below 15....So there is no need to add teams as an insurance policy. 

    Am I missing something?

    FSU's board seems to think they have a way out before 2036.

  10. 3 hours ago, TKthunder2 said:

    BYU/UH/UCF/Cincy weren’t a part of the renegotiated CFP deal. I think it’s logical to question them getting full shares ESPECIALLY while the PAC4 is still influx. If the PAC4 invites the 12 teams from the MWC, do they get full shares? In a vacuum it is greedy, but you really don’t want to set that precedent right now.

    They were.  https://theathletic.com/3904973/2022/11/16/cfp-expansion-revenue-rose-bowl/

    Article is dated November 16th, 2022.  Its just bad faith and greed by Sankey and Petitti.  Its the same bs from commissioners that nearly killed the expansion to 12 teams before the end of the contract.

  11. 52 minutes ago, Mitch Hedberg said:

    Any playoff spot decided by a committee and not won in a pre-determined way set out by rules, IE in every other level of football from peewee to pro, is fucking stupid. Play your way in or out. Letting fat ass writers, coaches or anyone “choose” who gets in just chaps my ass. Playoffs should not be decided by money, favoritism or media. Full stop. 
    I know I’m in the minority. And I’m old and have never liked polls in any way besides some beer talk. The idiocy of polls is on display every year when teams are ranked higher than teams with the same record that beat them. They decide nothing. And I’m out.

    '77 always comes to mind.  After Texas lost the Cotton Bowl to ND, they dropped from 1 to 4 in the final poll, behind Arkansas who they beat in Fayetteville.  Kentucky dropped to #6 behind Penn St. who they beat in Happy Valley.  All the top 6 had 1 loss.  Going into the bowls, #2 OU and #6 Arkansas had lost only to Texas.  Don't get me started about 2008!

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  12. 2 hours ago, Uncle Nate said:

    Granted it's not OU easy, but still...

    2023 Georgia football schedule

    • Sept. 2 UT MARTIN
    • Sept. 9 BALL STATE
    • Sept. 16 SOUTH CAROLINA
    • Sept. 23 UAB
    • Sept. 30 at Auburn
    • Oct. 7 KENTUCKY
    • Oct. 14 at Vanderbilt
    • Oct. 21 Open Date
    • Oct. 28 vs. Florida (Jacksonville)
    • Nov. 4 MISSOURI
    • Nov. 11 OLE MISS
    • Nov. 18 at Tennessee
    • Nov. 25 at Georgia Tech

    Auburn, UK and Florida are probably all down.  Let's put it this way.  Charley Strong might even take that Georgia team to a 10-0 start.  Kirby Smart probably could have taken one of Charley Strong's Texas teams to a 10-0 start with that schedule.

  13. 2 hours ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

     

    Think setting a top 15 bar for the G5 champ autobid(s) will probably get the antitrust lawsuit machine a rumbling. Setting that standard would have boxed out Tulane last year and honestly with the way the committee has been voting recently see that very much as false hope, will always put enough "top brands" ahead to box the G5 champs out of the top 15. 

    Then the committee will always rank the G5 champ #16.

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  14. 2 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

    Who is still doing this?  This hasn't been a thing in awhile for the vast majority of Big 12 schools.  I see this talking point routinely on this board and it doesn't jive with reality at this point.

    Alabama and several other SEC and Big 10 teams do this.

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  15. 3 hours ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

    Because god forbid we get the actual best 12 teams into the playoffs. And god forbid we actually make non-SEC and non-Big 10 teams play competitive games in their out of conference schedule to boost their playoff resume instead of having Baylor play Long fucking Island.

    And this. All of this.

    The "Best 12" is nothing but bs.

    Nobody knows until you play it on the field.  Remember 2014?  Everyone was sure Alabama and Oregon were the top 2.  Ohio St./TCU/Baylor were 3-4-5.  FSU had to get in because they were the only unbeaten.  FSU lost 59-20 to Oregon.  Ohio St. beat Alabama.  TCU won 42-3 over the only team to beat Alabama in the regular season.  And then Ohio St. beat Oregon in the title game.  TCU dropped from 3rd to 6th in the final ranking after beating Iowa St. 55-3.  

    The committee might as well just pull out the 247 recruiting rankings.  That's pretty much how they pick teams.  I thought it would be better than the BCS, but its worse.  You've got groupthink with a few people dominating the conversation.

    We need autobids so we have concrete criteria.  Teams that actually accomplish something get rewarded.  Teams that can't finish any better than 5th in the SEC or Big 10 don't make it?  So what?  Finish better than 5th in your own conference!!!  I think its bs that teams with losing records in conference play get into the NCAA bb tourney.  We don't need those teams.

     

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  16. 3 hours ago, DanTheHorn said:

    I do not understand this desire to get rid of the auto bids. If you are ranked in the top 8 and are not a BIG 10 or SEC conference champion you are not going to be left out since the BIG 10 and SEC champions are probably ranked in the top 8. If you are one of the two highest ranked at large teams why wouldn't you want to play a team you can boat race and essentially get a bye week. I don't care about a good game if I am in position to be one of the ones that boat races a team. It only hurts when you are number 9 in the country and get left out.

    Now I do understand why a commissioner wants less auto bids because it means more money. I just like the idea that every game in conference will still mean something since teams will want to avoid being number 9 and possibly left out. If it is just the top 12 then it becomes 6 from BIG and 6 from SEC once they go to 24 teams. It will start to feel like the NBA. Also, you may have to beat the same damn team again, see 2001. To me the 12 team was genius because the top 8 teams are in the playoffs and who cares who the other 4 teams are that get in since it was never meant to address the top 12.

    The autobids and first round bye automatically make your ccg more valuable.

    There's even talk about giving UC/UH/UCF/BYU less than P5 shares for the next couple of years.  Just sounds unbelievably greedy.  Its a really, really bad look for an industry that already looks that way.  Especially with the massive money coming from the CFP and the massive raises the SEC and Big 10 just got.  Some of the presidents just need to slap Sankey and Pettiti, the way the presidents read the riot act to the commissioners sabotaging the expansion to 12.

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  17. https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-acc-presidents-to-meet-on-conference-expansion-on-monday-night-173527541.html

    Maybe they are getting ready for Tuesday:

     

    "ACC presidents are scheduled to meet on a call Monday evening to discuss and potentially take action on expanding to add Cal, Stanford and SMU, sources tell Yahoo Sports.

    Three weeks of deep exploration into the three-team expansion plan appears to be at its end, with a determination coming from the meeting or soon afterward. The league needs support from 12 of 15 members to pass the expansion proposal.

    Over the last several days, momentum has been building in support of expansion — a change from 2 1/2 weeks ago. In a straw poll of presidents Aug. 9, an expansion vote fell at least one vote short of passing. There were four dissenters: Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina and NC State. Notre Dame receives a vote as the 15th member and supports expansion...."

  18. 3 hours ago, Jabberwocky said:

    Was about to post this. I have no idea what is going on, but I do not believe it was ever reported that the Big 12 had "conversations" with those schools. 

    Hopefully it means CalFord is going to the Mountain West.

    At one point it was reported that all the Pac 10 had conversations.  Doesn't mean any of it was more than quick informational calls.

  19. 1 hour ago, Sbbruin said:

    Cal and Stanford to the ACC is the height of all of this realignment madness.

    Yep.  Jumping the shark.  And its happening.  Appears to be just internal ACC haggling over how to divide the spoils.  How do you split up the $30 million left after giving everyone money for extra travel costs.

     

     
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/d...r-AA1fMGAl

    "Atlantic Coast Conference athletic directors held a video call to discuss — again — the possibility of adding California, Stanford and SMU to the league and what to do with the extra revenue that could come with expansion.

    The ACC's university presidents and chancellors have the final say on expansion and the full board was not involved in Thursday night's talks. As of Friday morning, the next formal meeting of ACC leadership had not been scheduled....


    At issue in the ACC is how that money will be distributed, according to multiple people who have been involved in the discussions, all speaking to AP on condition of anonymity to share private internal discussions.

    With Florida State, Clemson, Miami and North Carolina leading the push, ACC leaders earlier this year agreed to a “ success incentive initiative” that would allow schools to earn more of the money generated from their own postseason performances in football and men's basketball, plus other potential bonuses.

    The amount of expansion-generated revenue that goes toward the incentive initiative as opposed to being distributed equally among members is a key issue that could determine whether Phillips can get the required 12 of the 15 schools to approve adding new members, a person briefed on the ACC’s talks told AP...."
  20. 2 hours ago, camel at sea said:

    I don't think you could get the conference cohesion that you want with those two in the fold.  It's already pretty clear that the Big 12 is going to be dealing with "not happy to be here" attitudes from ASU and Utah leadership.

     

    Whittingham will be retired by then.

  21. 16 minutes ago, USC Traveler said:

    Looks like Stanford and Cal have learned nothing in realignment.  They seem to think nothing will change.

    They thought the PAC (and media money) would always be there because they never thought USC would leave.

    Now they're going to go ACC with a 30% share than won't reach 100% until 2036.  

    What's going to happen when FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, etc all leave ?  

    FSU people like Bud Elliot think FSU is leaving next year.  If not next year, the closer it gets to 2036, the more likely the exodus becomes.

    Once the BIG and SEC take the top ACC teams, ESPN will likely push the 2nd tier teams like UL, Pitt, etc to the B12 and let the conference dissolve completely.  At the very least,  ESPN will use the composition clause (standard in conference tv deals) to drastically reduce payments to the ACC.

    Stanford and Cal are going to take $7-10m/yr to start, and there's a great chance the conference dissolves or gets hammered way down on revenue long before the Bay area schools start getting any real money.

    They are setting themselves up for absolute disaster- Cal especially, given their finances and lack of ND connection/hope for BIG.

    They would have been much better to get over their coastal elitism, academic snobbery and religious bigotry to try to be part of a BIG 18.

    I guess being in a pod with BYU and playing teams in OK, KS, WV, etc was too much for them.

     

    That's $7-$10 million TV money which as good as they could do in Pac -8 + X.  And they will get a share of other distributions which will be better in the ACC.

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