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  1. 14 hours ago, TKthunder2 said:

    SEC is FAR better pound for pound and it’s not really close. The Big Ten has a lot of fat that will eventually need to be trimmed. Viewership aligns pretty closely to stadium size (excluding those with oversized off campus stadiums like Miami, UCLA, Temple, Pitt, UTSA, USF, Memphis, UNLV).

    Below is the rank of on campus stadiums with more than 50k seats, BOLD= >75k

    By capacity the SEC has 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 18, 20, 25, 28, 31, 33 (NR: Vanderbilt)

    Big Ten has 1, 2, 3, 13, 15, 19, 21, 22, 23, 35, 39, 44, 45, 46, 47, 50 (off campus: UCLA)(NR: Northwestern)

    ACC has 14, 16, 24, 29, 32, 38, 43, 49 (off campus: Miami, Pitt)(NR: Syracuse, BC, Duke, Wake)

    ND is 17

    B12 has 26, 30, 34, 36, 37, 40, 42, 48, 52, 53, 54 (NR: Baylor, TCU, UCF, UH, Cincy)

    PAC4: 27, 51 (NR: OSU, WSU)

     

    If you assume we’re moving to 3 Power conferences, outside of Vandy, every SEC school would be in the top 3rd. FSU/Clemson clearly make the cut and even UVA would make the top 3rd as well. Only UNC at 49 would fall outside the top 3rd.

    If you look at realignment through this lens, it seems most likely that the bloated Big Ten would be more likely to split than the SEC which seems far more aligned.

    While true, the Big 10 is much more aligned as institutions.  Except for Northwestern, USC and Oregon, they are all highly rated Enormous state research universities.

    There's a huge difference between Texas and Florida relative to Arkansas, LSU and the Mississippi schools.

  2. https://www.si.com/college/2023/08/11/stanford-cal-acc-unlikely-future-unclear-pac-12

    SI confirms Auerbach's story.  11-4.  One vote from jumping the shark.

    "...The two members of the disintegrating Pac-12 need 12 of the 15 members of the ACC to support their move. Four schools stood opposed when the issue was discussed Wednesday night, sources say: Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina and North Carolina State. Lacking the requisite numbers, sources say it is unlikely that the potential expansion of the league will be put to a formal vote.

    Sources described ACC members Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Georgia Tech and Louisville as among the most vocal in advocating for the Cardinal and Golden Bears to join the league. ACC commissioner Jim Phillips has been leading the discussion, presenting financial and scheduling scenarios to the league members.

    In explaining his advocacy for Cal and Stanford this week, Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick told ESPN, “The notion that two of the very best academic institutions in the world who also play [Division I] sports could be abandoned in this latest chapter of realignment is an indictment of college athletics....”

    What about Rice, Jack?

     

     

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  3. 2 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

    I finally understand why the PAC 12 failed.

    In a USA Today story it was said that the PAC 12 turned down $30m from espn and countered at $50m.

    espn then bailed on the pac 12 and agreed to bring in the Pac 10 schools into the big 12 at the rate they did.

    It all makes total sense now.  

    Maybe, but that $30 million story is from Canzano and seems to be a Kliavcoff planted story to shift the blame to the presidents.

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  4. 1 hour ago, CustersDoctor said:

    This is a big NO. There are too many teams on that list that don't belong in the show. Consolidation is happening. Its great for the schools surviving it and devastation for the left behind. I think we're headed toward three 20 team conferences. We're certainly not headed for a 28 team conference. Here are the 10 bottom feeders in your list, you can keep two. CAL, SDSU, BU, UH, CINCY, BC, CUSE, WAKE, DUKE, GT & UCF.

    Did you go to a Big 10 school?  I count 11!

  5. 34 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

     

    B1G and SEC taking ND + Stanford , Virginia, UNC, FSU and Clemson.

    That'll leave 10 teams for ACC. That's not a terrible conference. I mean, it's definitely behind Big12. 

    My preidiction, I know this sounds crazy, but what's to stop the Big12 and the ACC to merge then? Essentially go to an everyone else model? Hell, then pick up Cal and SDSU. 

    You ensure that your champion at least gets an autobid to the dance (The SEC and B1G are obvi trying to kill that) and you have 'content'.

    You'll have the two majors at 20 teams - Tier 1, a 28 team mega conference - Tier 2 - Divide the league into an East (Atlantic) Division and a West (Big) Division, and the Tier 3 Group of 5 level.

    It's BAC to the Future my firend.

    Doc Brown Shock GIF by Back to the Future Trilogy

     

    Each League plays a 9 game schedule within their Division.

    3-6. No cross divisions games. Just a championship game. As far as the other sports... IDK in the slightest

    Big Atlantic Conference

    Big (West)

    Cal

    SDSU

    BYU

    Utah

    Arizona

    ASU

    Colorado

    KSU

    Kansas

    TTech

    TCU

    Baylor

    UH

    OSU

    Atlatnic (East)

    IowaSt

    Cincy

    Pitt

    WVU

    Louisville

    VaTEch

    'Cuse

    Boston College

    Wake

    NC State

    Duke

    GaTech

    UCF 

    Miami

     

    Why would you need to merge?  Just do a joint TV contract.

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  6. 5 hours ago, Hurtlocker said:

    So...?

    SEC: FSU, Clemson?

    B1G: UVA, UNC, Miami? Hold for ND or swipe Duke?

    B12: VTech, NCState, Pitt, Louisville?

    Left out: Cuse, BC, Wake, Tech?

    The biggest issue I see here is ESPN is THE player in all of these moves besides the B1G, and they've invested a ton in the ACC Network.   Its equally plausible FSU/Clemson leave and the remaining 12 stay together, add UConn, and live comfortably on the buyouts, which should be significant if you can't get 12 teams to vote for dissolution.   Let's pretend its only a quarter bill each, that's $500m in the ACC's coffers, which is equal to an entire year of revenue.   They could buy Cal's debt and make another $600m on the servicing over the next century.

    Agree though that FSU/Clemson not having a home in advance that is bought and paid for is dumb.   Especially when someone else currently owns your rights.

    Well the Big 10 and SEC aren't going to get in the middle of the GOR fight, but they might have given them a wink, wink, nod, nod.

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  7. 5 hours ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

    Have to wonder if this year is a curtain call for Traylor in SA as well, they have a good year with said 7th year QB his stock and name is never gonna be hotter and theres gotta be some decent to good P5 offers headed his way...Heck might even be one a few hours away in Collie Station...

    Stetson Bennet has transferred to UTSA?!

  8. 17 hours ago, Zhorn96 said:

    It was horrific.  Splintered old benches, dripping water underneath, it was like a dungeon.  Weight room could only handle 1/3rd or so if the team at a time… the stadium fucking sucked except for the view and the historic cool factor.  They had to spend the coin on it…

    Rice had benches that could give you splinters.  At Cal they were literally broken with the jagged wood edges from each half exposed.

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  9. 6 hours ago, Zhorn96 said:

    it was $450M or something.  The stadium was in wretched shape, basically all they kept was the outer shell for the architecture and history of it.  Everything else was completely gutted and they massively upgraded the athletic facilities in general.  Locker rooms, weight rooms, meeting rooms, etc.  Partnered with the Biz school so some classrooms there and that spread the cost a little. Its pretty nice now... 

    I was there around 2000.  Went in and watched a  practice.  Place was scary.  Broken benches everywhere.  Unreal.

  10. 4 hours ago, statsman said:

    Observation-  people that like Rush, really, really like Rush. 
     
    I mean, I think they’re ok, unarguably in the top 250 bands all time. Arguably in the top 50. 
     
    True Rush fans will claim they’re top 5 all time. (In their heart of hearts, they know they’re better than the Beatles, Stones, etc. ). 

    So in other words, Rush fans are as delusional as Pac 12 presidents?!

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  11. 1 hour ago, Hurtlocker said:

    This is another one of the Pac's numerous failings.   In the 2010s, when Texas stayed in the first realignment, the "have nots" of the conference invested the media revenue wisely in sports infrastructure and in methods to increase fan engagement and revenue.    While they won't catch Texas, they transformed the conference.   Iowa State brought in around $45m back then, they've more than doubled that in a decade to $112m.   Kansas State doubled theirs in that time and most others jumped from the $60s into the $100ms.   Matter a fact, all of the Irate 8 have increased their AD budgets over $100m, which is sort of the line in the sand for the top 50 schools.   Granted, they all need to bump that up into the $150s in the next 5 years, but their books are healthy.

    This is not the case with the Pac.   Their haves continued to have, but the have nots didn't keep up in the same fashion.  Most all of the schools use an unhealthy amount of school funds to subsidize the athletic departments and they've been the most financially weak of the P5 conferences for a while, but the OSU/WSU are special.

    Oregon State and Iowa State, who had the smallest AD budget in the Big 12 a decade ago, were pretty similar in 2013, today Iowa State brings in $23m more per year.   And it does that without taking any school funds (outside charging the students ticket fees in tuition).   Oregon State got to its number with $8.5m in school funds, meaning the clones make $30+m more per year than the Beavers with a similar media deal.

    Washington State is even worse and, to your point, they are the lowest revenue generator in the Power Five.  It takes $14m in school funds, meaning its true revenue is only $69m - and 65% of that is rights and licensing!   For comparison, Central Florida made $89m in that same year, but without a power five media deal.   

    Oregon State and Washington State, regardless of history or success, just don't operate like a power five athletic department and are far closer to Air Force, SDSU, and UNLV.

     

    Another note about Iowa St.  They LEAD the nBig 12 in attendance over the last 4 years.  Over 58k.

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  12. 2 hours ago, camel at sea said:

    I remember a couple years ago, there were rumors that TCU was getting a look from the Big Ten because ND allegedly wanted its home conference to have a presence in CA, TX, and FL.  This rumor seems like a rehash of that one.  The travel logistics of SMU, Cal, and Stanford in the ACC - even if it's just football only - are ridiculous.  I could be talked into the idea of Cal and Stanford getting a scheduling agreement for football with the ACC, maybe even with stipulations that they both get annual games with the Irish, but I can't see how full membership would be viable without adding more western schools, too, and I don't know which schools that could be or how they'd justify their invites financially.  Just for fun, though:

    Northeast:  BC, Cuse, Pitt, L-Ville, ND
    MidAtl:  UVA, VT, UNC, NC St, Duke
    SE:  Wake, GT, Clemson, FSU, Miami
    West:  Stanford, Cal, SMU, Rice, Tulane
          

    You wouldn't actually have divisions (though you probably would have a geography-based scheduling model) but I grouped it this way to visualize it better.  The western additions are largely garbage so you'd have to get some kind of serious proof of commitment from Stanford and Cal, to actually try hard at football, before you brought them on.

     

    At some point realignment jumps the shark.  I think we are here.

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  13. 10 hours ago, DFW Horn said:

     

    Still in denial.  SDSU was an upgrade over CU?  Big 12 was better only because of numbers (BYU,UC,UCF,UH had comparable TV ratings to Pac other than UW/Oregon and better than some)?  And I don't believe for a minute Arizona was going to take that awful Apple deal.  Maybe the ASU president was dumb enough.  But Washington and Oregon certainly weren't.  Arizona had already been accepted by the Big 12.

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  14. 1 hour ago, oSuJeff97 said:

    Spot on.

    I'm not super thrilled about Houston but I get it. The Big 12 lost the flagship school of Texas. 

    And given that Texas remains the most important state in the Big 12 footprint, it made some sense to add another Texas school just to reinforce the conference's presence there and Houston makes the most sense in that regard.  Adding SMU was pointless since we already have a small private school in the DFW metro, so adding a large school in the state's largest city (yes I know UH doesn't "own" Houston, but they are still at least physically there) was really the best option.

     

    TCU, Tech and Baylor might as well be in Colorado as far as publicity in Houston.  They needed UofH.  They were completely out of Houston.

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  15. 29 minutes ago, Laxtonto said:

    GIF by Teachers on TV Land
     

    Funny enough if this has been the case for over a year and nobody said yes (so both the B12 and P12 said no already) why would they think the ACC will agree now?
     

    Essentially ESPN and Fox has said they don’t really provide any value for the rest of the conference if they were going in at $0  and now the idea is that ESPN will give the ACC a bump if they include SMU….

    Maybe Craig knows a powerful ESPN exec who had a run-in with hookers?!

  16. 6 minutes ago, locodos said:
    1. It's Thunderchicken
    2. It took all my will power not to Neg you

    We would occasionally have "wino" night at the dorm...  for $2.79 you were in, but you had to drink it out of a paper bag.  I swear this shit will effect your vision and everything will be hazy by the end of the evening.  The next morning would be like the apocalypse.  So hung over, people passed out everywhere, puke in the hall ways... /shudders

    I thought most winos just drank straight from the bottle.  But you did see people with Tbird passed out everywhere.

  17. 1 hour ago, redswingline said:

    I can see that. However, that applies to probably half (if not more) of the schools in P5.

    I would also think that when you are competing with NFL teams, it's a tough road. i.e. the 49ers/Raiders/Cowboys are all in the same city or right down the road from those 3 schools you listed.

    I would venture to guess that most of the huge-fanbase college programs don't have to compete with NFL teams for fans.

    Most schools have some local appeal.  Its only a few like Vanderbilt that don't.  But Vandy gets other schools' fans to come.

  18. 3 hours ago, Hurtlocker said:

     

    I'm still struggling to see how this one makes any logistical and financial sense, outside the ACC network getting a bump in Cali.

    I'm with you.  And it makes even less sense for Cal and Stanford.  But then, they are a major part of the reason the Pac will cease to exist.

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  19. 58 minutes ago, statsman said:

    I get what you’re saying, but a school not wanting to affiliate with Baylor is actually admirable and fwd thinking 

    But they wanted to affiliate with Pedo St. and Michigan St. along with the school that enabled Lawrence Phillips.

    I guess they wanted to be with schools that avoided getting punished.

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