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  1. These numbers include conference networks, which aren't much different than streaming. Actually Pac 12 Network is worse than streaming.
  2. Its a Wilzano talking point that the Big 12 didn't get as good a deal as they could by renewing instead of waiting until the exclusive period expired as the Pac is doing. These CU people are just repeating that unsubstantiated self-serving speculation.
  3. https://www.si.com/college/2023/05/30/sec-meetings-nil-athlete-employment-collectives-hot-topics Good discussion of the NIL conflict even within the SEC. This could well be the thing that leads to a splitoff from the NCAA. Article makes it sound like aggy is giving a middl finger to the NCAA. "...Soon in Texas, Texas A&M donors will earn priority points through the school’s fundraising arm for donations that eventually funnel to athletes. For months now in Arkansas, college athletes have been paid for charity appearances through a nonprofit organization that is owned by the school’s fundraising foundation. Meanwhile, on the Florida Gulf Coast, where the SEC’s most powerful officials gather this week in Destin for their annual league meetings, none of the above is permitted. If the University of Florida carried out those actions, it would be in violation of NCAA rule and its own state law. The same can be said for a handful of other SEC schools in Mississippi, Alabama and Tennessee. “Right now, we’re in no-man’s land,” says Walker Jones, executive director of the Ole Miss collective, The Grove. “If you are the SEC office and you’ve got 14 schools and three are operating this way, it’s a competitive problem....” Jason Belzer is CEO and cofounder of Student Athlete NIL (SANIL), an organization that manages more than 30 booster collectives from Oklahoma to Penn State. “The median collective on the Power 5 level has about $3 million on hand,” Belzer says. “Some have $7 [million] to $10 million, but many are also operating at $1 [million] to $2 million on hand.” The average compensation for a Power 5 football player from a collective ranges widely, usually around $10,000 to $50,000 annually, but “about five players per roster are making more than $100,000 on average,” he says.... Georgia president Jere Morehead, the president of the SEC executive council who also chairs the NCAA Division I Board of Directors, believes schools are putting athletes’ eligibility status “at risk” with the foundation approach. “If NIL payments come directly or indirectly from the institution, that sounds like an employment relationship,” he says. Michael Leroy, an Illinois law professor who has published extensive work on labor policy, believes the Texas A&M situation could eventually be used in the NCAA’s court battle in the Johnson case—a fight over whether athletes are employees playing out in the state of Pennsylvania. Many experts already believe college athletes meet many of the indicators used to determine employment. For starters, Leroy says, athletes are in a “controlled environment” for “work,” such as playing games and attending practices. Someone also benefits financially from the work, such as coaches, administrators, etc. The latest foundation move brings athletes even closer to employment status...."
  4. https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/story/2023-05-26/san-diego-state-sdsu-aztecs-power-conference-relignment-pac-12-big-12-mountain-west-june-30-deadline SDSU worried they won't get their invite in time. “"...I’m really confident about our future in a Power 5 conference,” de la Torre said last week, speaking with the Union-Tribune at the announcement for an MLS expansion team at Snapdragon Stadium beginning in 2025. “I’m also confident that, when we talk about the Pac-12, they need to get the best deal possible for us to get the pro rata share we deserve. “So I’m patient. I’m one of these very patient leaders. There are a lot of people who want to rush. I have a good relationship with a number of the presidents in the Pac-12. I know we’re the No. 1 (expansion candidate), that they believe in us, that they see their future with us. I’m optimistic. But there’s never a straight line to success....” New York Post sports media columnist Andrew Marchand said earlier this week that ESPN “has had no substantive talks with the Pac-12 in a while,” which leaves lesser networks (CW, Ion) or streaming-only services (Amazon Prime, Apple TV) that would put games behind a paywall. The Pac-12 board issued a statement denying its imminent demise, saying its members had have “positive conversations with multiple potential media rights partners over the past weeks” and “look forward to consummating successful media rights deal(s) in the very near future.” That was Feb. 13. Is de la Torre worried the Pac-12 might by a Pac-4 by the time they get there?..."
  5. UC-San Francisco is basically just a medical school, much like UTMB, UT-Southwestern and the medical schools in Houston and San Antonio.
  6. Their attendance is nothing special. They are in the bottom 3rd of the P5. They do beat Cal, Stanford, Oregon St. and Washington St. in attendance pretty consistently.
  7. Decided to go all the way back to 1936. All the AP titles: ()-not part of top 20 programs over last 55 years 2024 SEC AP titles 1936-2022 Alabama 13 Oklahoma 7 Texas 3 Florida 3 LSU 3 Georgia 3 Tennessee 2 Auburn 2 (Texas A&M) 1 37 2024 Big 10 Ohio St. 5 USC 5 Nebraska 4 Penn St. 2 Michigan 2 (Minesota) 4 (Michigan St.) 1 (Maryland) 1 24 Potential Big 10/SEC Notre Dame 8 Miami 5 Florida St. 3 Clemson 3 Colorado 1 Oregon 0 Washington 0 20 Others (Pitt) 2 (Army) 2 (TCU) 1 (Syracuse) 1 (BYU) 1 7
  8. In fairness, Val Kilmer had throat cancer and can't really speak, but they found a role for him. Does that make him comparable to Vanderbilt?
  9. Its about 20 teams from 1968, but before that there are most of the same group but some additional current SEC/Big 10 teams who were strong. Arkansas and Michigan St. notably in the 60s. In the 50s, Ole Miss, Iowa, UCLA, Maryland and again Michigan St. were near the top a lot.
  10. If it was primarily about money, UT would have left the SWC much earlier and the Big 12 much earlier.
  11. If the Big 10 were to take ND, UW, Oregon and Colorado and the SEC to take FSU, Clemson, Miami and say UNC, the P2 would have all but 2 of the AP titles going back to 1959, and all but 14 of the top 3 finishes going back to 1959. And only Pitt and TCU would have more than 1 of those 14 top 3 finishes in the last 64 years. 9 other schools w have had 1. So roughly once in 4-5 years a non P2 team would crack the top 3.
  12. There are about 20 teams who are contenders. You can go all the way back to 1960 and the only teams outside the P2 to win an AP title are Miami, FSU, ND, Clemson; along with Colorado in '90, BYU in '84 and Pitt in '76. Washington '91 and Georgia Tech '90 shared titles by winning the coaches poll. For that matter, going back to TCU's 1938 title, the only other schools to win the AP were Syracuse in '59 and Army twice during WWII.
  13. I'm glad TCU and UH got back into a major conference. I feel bad for Rice, but then if they got in a major conference, they would never win. As for SMU, they made their bed. I didn't know anybody liked SMU.
  14. I think Cal vs. Cal St. has that issue. But not within the Cal and Cal St. systems. We have a screwed up system in Texas. They made a real mistake in the 30s giving A&M their own system. Then they repeat it allowing Texas Tech and Houston and North Texas to have their own systems. The Texas State system has its role and mostly understands it. The others are all empire building and not working in the interest of the state. I've always had a little bit of an issue with the Longhorn administration emphasizing the "at Austin" more than the "Texas." But the system as a whole works for Texas. The aggy system, Cougar high system, Tech system and UNT system work for their main universities and not even for the rest of their system, let alone the city or state.
  15. Which is why that 8x9 70s era (and not really-a bunch of schools got moved around in the post) didn't work. I liked the old Big 12 and national setup circa 2010. The Big 12 was a pretty exciting move in 1996, even though it was sad to see the SWC go. I liked divisions and I liked CCGs. Except for BC in the ACC, everybody fit. Maybe you could go back to 2004 before BC moved. Big 12-CU, KU, KSU, ISU, NU, MU; UT, OU, OSU, TT, BU, A&M SEC-AR, LSU, Ole Miss, MSU, Auburn, AL; UK, TN, Vandy, UGa, UF, USCe Big 10-IA, WI, MN, NW, IL, PU; IU, MSU, tOSU, UM, PSU, add Rutgers for 12 ACC-FSU, Miami, GT, Clemson, WF, NCSU; UNC, Duke, UVA, VT, MD, add Louisville for 12 Pac 10-UW, WSU, OR, ORSt., Cal, Stanford; USC, UCLA, AZ, ASU, add Utah and BYU for 12 (or maybe we allow a CU for window Cougs trade) Big East-C7, BC, SU, Pitt, WVU, UConn, Temple; Cincinnati, USF, add later additions-TCU, UCF, UH, Memphis and get a scheduling deal with ND like the ACC has.
  16. I remember a number of years back Saban whining (when doesn't he?) about having to change how he recruited his defense.
  17. Yes but then Kliavcoff gets Mandel or someone to claim ESPN is talking to them. Of course, ESPN DOES have an existing contract with the Pac for the next 13 months, so I would hope they are talking.
  18. Outside the Johnny Manziel year and the Covid year, they haven't finished better than 3rd in the SEC West. Frequently worse. Basically the same as they were finishing in the Big 12 South.
  19. That's what lots of reliable sources have said, but the Big 12 keeps making more. So, I'm still skeptical about the reliable sources. And this is people like the Athletic saying the ACC TV deal was bigger. Show me the money!!!! Then I will believe the ACC deal is bigger.
  20. I agree with you. I think you misinterpreted what some of the others said. They were challenging the idea that the Big 10 had decided to invite Missouri.
  21. https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story/2023-05-18/national-labor-relations-board-complaint-usc-pac-12 Its on. They knew this was coming, but NLRB files a formal complaint about athletes being employees. They claim USC, the Pac 12 and NCAA are joint employers. The part about being joint employers sounds pretty asinine. Maybe an effort to get at deep pockets.
  22. Tom Osborne, bitter about 1-8 whined. The Nebraska president said they were further along on their network than UT was. Anybody saying the LHN had anything to do with NU leaving probably has a Greg Swaim T-shirt that they are wearing right now. And they are probably secretly aggy fans.
  23. Jason Scheer @jasonscheer · 4h I have never said the Pac-12 is going to break up. I do think IF it signs a deal, it will be a bad one. I could be wrong. My consistent criticism is that it has been handled poorly behind closed doors and in the public eye. Nothing I have seen or heard has changed that. 7 12 62 10.1K Scheer telling it like it is. (He's talking about WSU president claiming ESPN/Amazon didn't want to do a deal right after layoffs). Jason Scheer @jasonscheer · 4h He went from it slowing down because of layoffs to trying to create a narrative that it's slowing down because so many people are coming to the table. What are we doing here? Just shut up and get a deal done. Quote Tweet Jason Scheer @jasonscheer · 4h My man made sure to change that narrative real quick when ESPN signed Pat for a billion dollars https://247sports.com/college/washington-state/article/exclusive-wsu-president-kirk-schulz-eyes-pac-12-media-rights-dea-210309015/
  24. Jason Scheer @jasonscheer · 7m Shoutout to Dave Heeke for being honest here
  25. https://richmond.com/sports/college/teel-babcock-says-vt-moving-forward-with-acc-but-has-explored-potential-options/article_81175fea-f416-11ed-b385-d3c7ffcc2fc4.html Interesting interview with VT AD. "...Babcock confirmed that he and colleagues from the six other schools McMurphy mentioned have discussed possible options. “I would classify it as a number of conversations,” Babcock told The Times-Dispatch, “usually in small groups, on interpretations of grant of rights, of bylaws of the league, of options that may be out there. But as you know, the grant of rights has been looked at a lot of times by a lot of people.” Virginia AD Carla Williams politely declined an interview request, joking that “Whit speaks for both us.” Babcock said the conversations weren’t as organized as many interpreted Monday and that several included subsets of the seven. Topics included not only the grant of rights, but also ACC bylaws to ascertain what is required to change the revenue-sharing formula — at least 10 of 15 presidents must approve...."
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