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Well Fox called it a signing bonus, probably for their own accounting purposes, but it was basically giving them the new rate early.
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You're right about ESPN (and Fox), but not about the LHN in 2010. ESPN and Fox promised the Big 12 schools they would make as much as the Pac and agreed to renew early. They all got a "bonus" from Fox effectively giving them a higher contract 2 years before it expired. The LHN was still thought to be about $3 million a year until 5 months later when ESPN outbid Fox (who was the favorite up to that point). Powers, Dodds and Plonsky never mentioned the LHN in their press conference explaining why they weren't going. This LHN being a deciding factor is something Pac officials made up years later to make themselves look better. Kind of like the OU/OSU/TT Pac discussions in 2011. Both sides told totally different stories on why it fell through to make themselves look better. Not sure whether I believe Boren or the Pac people on that one.
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Actually some of the schools (LSU for instance) sometimes only played 5 conference games. Some played 6. Some would play 7. Some schools never played. For example Georgia and Tennessee didn't play between 1937 and 1968 and only played 8 times from 1969-1992 when they ended up in the same division. Georgia has only played Miss. St. 26 times in history and only once before 1950. Georgia and LSU didn't play between 1953 and 1978. They've still only played 33 times and 5 of those were in SEC ccgs. LSU Vanderbilt only played once between 1951 and 1976. They've only played 33 times and 15 were 1951 or earlier. The schedule was really thrown out of kilter when Georgia Tech and Tulane left in the 60s. Some schools played them nearly every year. The SEC was 12 teams from 1940-1964 when GT left and Tulane left in 1966. In 1963 with 12 teams, two played 8 games, 6 played 7 games and 4 played 6 games. In 1967 two played 7 games, 6 played 6 games and 2 played 5 games.
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Everybody already recruits Florida. A couple years ago I saw the numbers. The ACC had the most signed freshman from Florida. The SEC was tied with the Big 10 for 2nd. one recruit fewer than the ACC. Georgia supplied the most SEC recruits. And the bottom half of the SEC isn't really competing with FSU for recruits. Georgia, Alabama, LSU do.
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I don't think there is any doubt they take them. They want all the big dogs in their own pen. There are 6 big dogs left. UW, Oregon and Notre Dame are not joining the SEC. That leaves FSU, Clemson and Miami. At one point FSU had more value in the ACC than in the SEC. But now, big matchups matter more. You see it in the ratings. They add more to the SEC than to the ACC. And with the rivalries, that offsets the state duplication, so I don't see them going to the Big 10 if the SEC is an option. Clemson is the closest school to Georgia other than Georgia Tech. That has always been a pretty fierce rivalry. Just hasn't been played much since the SEC went to 8 conference games. They recruit all the same people. I don't see the SEC as a conference that is worried about competition.
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As I recall they pretty much had it done in early June, but then had to work out all the coordination between the different media companies.
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https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/SB-Blogs/Newsletter-Media/2023/04/10.aspx "...The Pac-12 still is months away from a deal, with sources predicting that something will be in place before next football season starts. Last year, the Big Ten formally announced its blockbuster media rights deals with CBS, Fox and NBC in mid-August, and that is a timeline some have painted as the most realistic for the Pac-12. Last week, The Athletic reported that The CW emerged as a new potential partner for the Pac-12. Sources told me that CW reps did hold initial talks with the conference. But those talks never got serious. The Pac-12 expects to wind up with deals that combine traditional TV with streaming. But there’s little chance that The CW will end up with those rights, sources said." <and other interest for Surly, but only marginally realignment--dying RSNs--"Back in February, Warner Bros. Discovery gave the Pirates, Rockies and Astros a deadline of March 31 to reach a deal taking their local media rights back or face the prospect of having those three AT&T SportsNet-branded RSNs make a Chapter 7 liquidation filing....In Houston, the Astros and Rockets are in line to take over AT&T SportsNet Houston, an RSN that still has affiliate deals with Comcast, DirecTV and U-Verse that go well into the next decade. No changes are expected in Seattle, where WBD holds a 30% stake in the Mariners-controlled Root Sports RSN and is likely to keep that stake even after the current baseball season ends....">
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Should have been fired for coming up with the idea of a Pac 12-SWAC series.
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And maybe they get joined by Houston and WSU looking into the p2 window
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/pac-12-unlikely-to-reach-media-rights-deal-with-more-than-50-of-games-airing-on-tv-long-time-consultant-says/ "As the Pac-12 continues its search for a new media rights deal, it's become less viable the conference will land a partner willing to feature more than half its games on traditional cable or broadcast television, media consultant Jim Williams told CBS Sports. The assertion could be a deal-breaker as Pac-12 presidents consider whether a deal heavy on streaming would be enough to keep their schools in the league. Arizona president Robert Robbins twice told CBS Sports in the last three weeks he expected over half the Pac-12 content to be on traditional linear TV platforms with networks such as CBS, Fox, ESPN and NBC considered the gold standard in live sports programming. Williams, however, decided to go on the record with comments being repeated throughout the sports media industry: The Pac-12 may be running out of time in getting most of its content seen on a major linear carrier. "I'm at an absolute loss how NBC, CBS, ESPN, ABC or Fox gets [the Pac-12] to 50 [percent]," said Williams, a Washington D.C.-based, seven-time Emmy Award-winning producer who helped develop five different regional sports networks throughout a career that began in 1977...."
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On a historical note, it was actually a Greg Swaim tweet that started the Shaggy realignment thread.
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And Dodds has historically done his best to troll and dump on the Big 12.
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A lot of this is pretty basic stuff. Kind of wonder how bad things are to have that stuff on a wish list.
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https://voiceofmotown.com/west-virginias-ultimate-insider-opens-up-the-mhver3-interview/ Speaking of which, an actual interview with MHVer3. One thing I will say for MHver3 and the Dude. West Virginia is a small state and so its like a small town. Everybody knows everybody. So it really is possible for random tweeters to know somebody who actually knows something within the WV AD. I'm guessing his "sources" around the country are other people like him who know somebody who does know something. But not anybody with first hand knowledge.
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No. MHver3 isn't a college kid. I listened to a podcast he and the Dude did one time with Brett McMurphy. Brett threw cold water on FSU/Clemson moving to the Big 12.
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He reminds me of the Dude of West Virginia, aka the highlander Christopher Lambert. He would tweet the most ridiculous things that people had told him. I think they did it just to see if he would actually put it out there.
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hanks Jon! In my opinion, if George doesn't even have numbers he can share that's a worse sign than I even imagined. Quote Tweet Jon Wilner @wilnerhotline · 2h Replying to @jasonscheer I'm sure Kliavkoff has seen initial $$$s at least. Honestly don't know what has been shared w full board or exec comm and whether all parties have submitted final bids, whether there's a range based on tiers being mixed/matched, etc. These deals are really complicated Jason Scheer @jasonscheer · 2h Just a reminder with Apple. There better be a plan to get games on linear or it won't work. Presidents have been very vocal about the majority of programming being streamed. Robbins came out and said it for everybody to see. Last point on this whole thing, hopefully. Presidents have 100 percent been presented with numbers. They aren't close to good enough. George then says give me some time and we do the whole cycle again where you're lied to about the significance of these meetings. Jason Scheer @jasonscheer · 3h There was never going to be a deal today. I'm sorry that others led you guys in that direction. Jason Scheer @jasonscheer · 3h We're going to find out how real President Robbins' April 15 deadline is.
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Marchand and Ourand. Talk about Pac 12 deal 25:00-29:00. Nothing much new. Just: ESPN isn't close. Amazon will do a deal but only at their price. Apple is possible but would only do an all in deal. Things are dicey. Speculates a little about the rush by the presidents. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-79-espn-layoffs-and-the-big-get-rebecca-lobo/id1587364692?i=1000605324937
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If the ACC loses its best, then the ACC is no longer attractive as a non-fb and part time fb home. If recruiting is dominated by the P2, Notre Dame will face the same issue UT and OU faced.
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Wilner and Canzano talk to John Ourand from SBJ. Ourand says Pac is going to be disappointed. Doesn't predict any particular numbers but says they are facing a tough market. Wilner says at the end that he thinks if the pac is within 10% of the Big 12 they stay, but if its $22-$24 million they will have to think about moving.
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Colorado and Mizzou dragged down the Big 12 average value. But that was with Texas and OU in the conference.
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“"...I think everybody’s talking about it right now — I think there’s a lot of side conversations going on,” Rhoades continued. “I think it’s safe to say we’re all having conversations amongst the ADs within the Big 12 and certainly within the Pac-12. And I’d be disingenuous if we didn’t say that there’s Big 12 ADs talking with Pac-12 (ADs), relationships that go back years...."” https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/keeler-for-cu-buffs-big-12-talk-still-nothing-more-than-big-tease-why-wouldn-t-we-be-interested-baylor-ad-says-in-a-school-like-colorado/ar-AA18Jw9X Clarifies the double talk from the ASU president. Everybody IS talking to everybody. May not be formal, but its happening.
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Well even the SEC understands that. It was why they were so in favor of expanding the playoffs. The west coast was getting left out every year. 4 team worked fine for the SEC, but not for the long run health of the game.
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And Prestige Worldwide means lots more money and you leave behind Purdue, Mississippi St., etc.
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Well Texas will be just fine in Prestige Worldwide. There is definitely a risk in getting bigger. It means you are more likely to split into parts in the long run. There have been a number of large conferences, but none have ever lasted very long. Most recent examples are Big East and WAC 16. In Division II the Lone Star Conference and Great West both collapsed shortly after mega-sizing.
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